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Blue Ensign reacted to yvesvidal in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Good choice. It looks much better this way.
Yves
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Blue Ensign reacted to James G in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
I like the direction you went. Good call in my humble opinion.
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Blue Ensign reacted to realworkingsailor in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Hi BE, I don’t comment much, but you’re doing some amazing work with this little model! Nice solution to the deck problem, but I couldn’t help but notice one tiny detail. It looks like you’ve got the wood grain running fore and aft, while the planks are scribed athwart ships. Not sure if this was intentional for other reasons not apparent to me, or isn’t really that noticeable from normal viewing distance.
Andy
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from Wintergreen in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from mtaylor in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from Archi in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Seven
The gratings are secured in place using tiny spots of ca but I have found with my previous small boat builds that small enough not to spread thro’ the gratings with an annoying shiny reflection, is not always sufficient to hold securely, we shall see.
9395
I took the precaution of cutting a pattern to fit over the gratings to protect the surface during the extensive messing around inside the boat to come.
9394
The ribs are easily fitted given the notches in the grating pattern, and they do stiffen up the hull.
9393
There is an adequate supply of strip for this purpose.
There are one or two little bits to fit as per sections 32- 35 of the blurb, but back in section 13 there is a part B25 indicated, which as far as I can see is not mentioned again.
9389(2)
I suspect it may have something to do with the Foredeck but If it is, I think the instructions need re-visiting to be more specific in this area.
9388(2)
It’s not an easy match in any case, and the foredeck fitting has issues. If the notched back edge is intended to slot into the second bulkhead, then the first bulkhead should sit below the gunwale.
9292(2)
The first bulkhead and bow pieces are level with the gunwale.
(The bow stem extension has broken off, but that is easily fixed.)
9393(2)
This bulkhead, from the photos appears to form the vertical face of the fore platform.
9390
This rather unflattering macro of the bow end demonstrates the issues.
(Part of the Pearwood bulkhead on the port side snapped off during trimming.)
The problem is how to model the fore platform.
To use part B25, the first bulkhead would need to be rebated to accept the part, not an easy task at this point.
My thoughts are that the second bulkhead be infilled and brought level with the first bulkhead, and a piece fashioned to fit.
If this stands a tad proud of the top line planking, it can be used to support a bow wash strake.
I need to ponder this awhile, but until it’s sorted, I can’t really move forward with this build.
B.E.
17/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from tkay11 in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Thanks Jason,
Post Six.
In this post I have concentrated on preparing the Foot-waling, which for kit purposes is represented by brass etch gratings.
Traditionally, based on contemporary models, barges were boarded out, but I have decided to use the provided pieces, not least because the central bench support pillars are marked and drilled for insertion, which makes things a lot easier.
The gratings are also pre-notched for the insertion of the frames, an excellent idea which saves the hassle of spacing calculations and positioning.
Using the etch does mean that the gratings must be painted to replicate wood.
9364
My approach is to chemically blacken the etch which provides a good key for subsequently painting.
The blurb gives a method to follow to achieve the finish and is broadly how I do it.
I am using Vallejo paints throughout.
A base coat of dark sand, which is light in colour, is applied.
9366
Second coat of Ochre Brown.
Too yellow for my eye, I had in mind a more scrubbed wood look.
9381
To this end a mix of Ivory/ slightly coloured with dark sand and a spot of Black/grey was mixed almost full strength and stippled on with a dry brush.
Getting there, I think.
The kit scheme indicates painting the hull white up to the top three strakes, which then contains the rails with the painted frieze between.
I prefer the look of bright work between rail and waterline, and I applied a couple of paint coats both to gauge the line and highlight any areas that need attention on the lower hull.
9367
9370
I have used ivory for the lower hull, which I think gives a more scale look.
9379
This is not the end of the lower hull painting, but I think I have the waterline about right, and this will be re-visited later.
9375
The internal hull has been cleaned up and I am fairly happy with the gratings look.
The next stage is to fix the gratings in place and fit the ribs.
B.E.
16/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from gjdale in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign reacted to Beef Wellington in HMS Jason by Beef Wellington - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Artois-class frigate modified from HMS Diana 1794
Thanks everyone for the continued interest. Catching up on a couple of items before moving onto the more complex task of the sheer rail (plansheer?, capping rail?) which will be the focus of the next update. The profile of the hull has been fine tuned, all of the gunports have been cut, fettled, and the upper hull painted. The only remaining task with the rails is to create the transition from the quarterdeck drift rail and the main rail. A similar approach was taken to that used for the volutes to introduce the curve, but a 45deg joint was used to try and leverage the pre-scraped profile as much as possible. The profile was then introduced into the curved section as described above for the volutes. Once complete, this section was joined with the volute section before gluing in place.
And the rails finally attached the hull. The curve of the forward end of the bulwark follows that of the volute. Visually its important (to my eye anyway!) to ensure that all of the rails and top of the hull are parallel, and follow the sweep of the main wale. Placement of the rail also helps determine the appropriate final profile of the upper hull.
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from davyboy in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from AJohnson in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from Beef Wellington in HMS Jason by Beef Wellington - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Artois-class frigate modified from HMS Diana 1794
Well expressed, Jason,
It is a useful tool to set down one's reasoning both to help formulate approach and answer those 'why did I do that' moments some way down the road.
I think your choice is spot on, but there is always wriggle room with this sort of thing; between plan, Admiralty order, and fitting out I suspect that in reality there was an element of 'availability' involved.
No one is going to gainsay you as you have worked using contemporary evidence, personally I like the four-carronade configuration.
B.E.
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from Haliburton in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from realworkingsailor in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from James G in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from Beef Wellington in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from jpalmer1970 in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Seven
The gratings are secured in place using tiny spots of ca but I have found with my previous small boat builds that small enough not to spread thro’ the gratings with an annoying shiny reflection, is not always sufficient to hold securely, we shall see.
9395
I took the precaution of cutting a pattern to fit over the gratings to protect the surface during the extensive messing around inside the boat to come.
9394
The ribs are easily fitted given the notches in the grating pattern, and they do stiffen up the hull.
9393
There is an adequate supply of strip for this purpose.
There are one or two little bits to fit as per sections 32- 35 of the blurb, but back in section 13 there is a part B25 indicated, which as far as I can see is not mentioned again.
9389(2)
I suspect it may have something to do with the Foredeck but If it is, I think the instructions need re-visiting to be more specific in this area.
9388(2)
It’s not an easy match in any case, and the foredeck fitting has issues. If the notched back edge is intended to slot into the second bulkhead, then the first bulkhead should sit below the gunwale.
9292(2)
The first bulkhead and bow pieces are level with the gunwale.
(The bow stem extension has broken off, but that is easily fixed.)
9393(2)
This bulkhead, from the photos appears to form the vertical face of the fore platform.
9390
This rather unflattering macro of the bow end demonstrates the issues.
(Part of the Pearwood bulkhead on the port side snapped off during trimming.)
The problem is how to model the fore platform.
To use part B25, the first bulkhead would need to be rebated to accept the part, not an easy task at this point.
My thoughts are that the second bulkhead be infilled and brought level with the first bulkhead, and a piece fashioned to fit.
If this stands a tad proud of the top line planking, it can be used to support a bow wash strake.
I need to ponder this awhile, but until it’s sorted, I can’t really move forward with this build.
B.E.
17/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from bruce d in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
9397
The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
9404
A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
9405
The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
9410
Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
9412
I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
9414(2)
The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
9415(2)
I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
9429
The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from bruce d in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Seven
The gratings are secured in place using tiny spots of ca but I have found with my previous small boat builds that small enough not to spread thro’ the gratings with an annoying shiny reflection, is not always sufficient to hold securely, we shall see.
9395
I took the precaution of cutting a pattern to fit over the gratings to protect the surface during the extensive messing around inside the boat to come.
9394
The ribs are easily fitted given the notches in the grating pattern, and they do stiffen up the hull.
9393
There is an adequate supply of strip for this purpose.
There are one or two little bits to fit as per sections 32- 35 of the blurb, but back in section 13 there is a part B25 indicated, which as far as I can see is not mentioned again.
9389(2)
I suspect it may have something to do with the Foredeck but If it is, I think the instructions need re-visiting to be more specific in this area.
9388(2)
It’s not an easy match in any case, and the foredeck fitting has issues. If the notched back edge is intended to slot into the second bulkhead, then the first bulkhead should sit below the gunwale.
9292(2)
The first bulkhead and bow pieces are level with the gunwale.
(The bow stem extension has broken off, but that is easily fixed.)
9393(2)
This bulkhead, from the photos appears to form the vertical face of the fore platform.
9390
This rather unflattering macro of the bow end demonstrates the issues.
(Part of the Pearwood bulkhead on the port side snapped off during trimming.)
The problem is how to model the fore platform.
To use part B25, the first bulkhead would need to be rebated to accept the part, not an easy task at this point.
My thoughts are that the second bulkhead be infilled and brought level with the first bulkhead, and a piece fashioned to fit.
If this stands a tad proud of the top line planking, it can be used to support a bow wash strake.
I need to ponder this awhile, but until it’s sorted, I can’t really move forward with this build.
B.E.
17/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from yvesvidal in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Eight
I took the obvious and simple approach.
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The bulkhead was faced up with a piece of 0.6mm Pearwood sheet.
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A new platform was cut out of the same stuff.
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The plank lines were lightly scribed into the surface.
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Wash boards will be fitted around the edge.
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I still can’t help feeling that the fore platform should sit below the gunwale level.
Every contemporary model I have seen shows this, as indeed does the Vanguard Pinnace kit in the same series.
I did wonder if I had somehow made a mistake in the build, but the kit photo’s show pretty much the same result.
I can’t contemplate chopping out the bow bulkheads to lower the platform, I fear it would put too much strain on the delicate construction, so we are where we are.
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The final option is to add wash boards which go some-way to redress the balance and give a more authentic look, but it is a compromise.
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I happened to have some spare wash boards from the Yawl kit.
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The detail devil in me can’t help noticing one other anomaly.
The first thole pins are shown adjacent to the fore platform, at the same level.
It was not uncommon for the first rower to sit on the platform but with the kit configuration the rower would be above the tholes which makes no sense.
This is an attractive model, and perhaps many will care little about the details I have highlighted. Some may say at 1:64 scale it is sufficient for the purpose.
I would, however, urge Chris to re-visit this kit, re-design the first two bulkheads to lower the platform to the same level as the thwarts (as per the Pinnace kit) and reconfigure the oarlocks to single banked rowing on each thwart.
‘nuff said, on with the build.
B.E.
18/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from yvesvidal in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Seven
The gratings are secured in place using tiny spots of ca but I have found with my previous small boat builds that small enough not to spread thro’ the gratings with an annoying shiny reflection, is not always sufficient to hold securely, we shall see.
9395
I took the precaution of cutting a pattern to fit over the gratings to protect the surface during the extensive messing around inside the boat to come.
9394
The ribs are easily fitted given the notches in the grating pattern, and they do stiffen up the hull.
9393
There is an adequate supply of strip for this purpose.
There are one or two little bits to fit as per sections 32- 35 of the blurb, but back in section 13 there is a part B25 indicated, which as far as I can see is not mentioned again.
9389(2)
I suspect it may have something to do with the Foredeck but If it is, I think the instructions need re-visiting to be more specific in this area.
9388(2)
It’s not an easy match in any case, and the foredeck fitting has issues. If the notched back edge is intended to slot into the second bulkhead, then the first bulkhead should sit below the gunwale.
9292(2)
The first bulkhead and bow pieces are level with the gunwale.
(The bow stem extension has broken off, but that is easily fixed.)
9393(2)
This bulkhead, from the photos appears to form the vertical face of the fore platform.
9390
This rather unflattering macro of the bow end demonstrates the issues.
(Part of the Pearwood bulkhead on the port side snapped off during trimming.)
The problem is how to model the fore platform.
To use part B25, the first bulkhead would need to be rebated to accept the part, not an easy task at this point.
My thoughts are that the second bulkhead be infilled and brought level with the first bulkhead, and a piece fashioned to fit.
If this stands a tad proud of the top line planking, it can be used to support a bow wash strake.
I need to ponder this awhile, but until it’s sorted, I can’t really move forward with this build.
B.E.
17/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from dunnock in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Seven
The gratings are secured in place using tiny spots of ca but I have found with my previous small boat builds that small enough not to spread thro’ the gratings with an annoying shiny reflection, is not always sufficient to hold securely, we shall see.
9395
I took the precaution of cutting a pattern to fit over the gratings to protect the surface during the extensive messing around inside the boat to come.
9394
The ribs are easily fitted given the notches in the grating pattern, and they do stiffen up the hull.
9393
There is an adequate supply of strip for this purpose.
There are one or two little bits to fit as per sections 32- 35 of the blurb, but back in section 13 there is a part B25 indicated, which as far as I can see is not mentioned again.
9389(2)
I suspect it may have something to do with the Foredeck but If it is, I think the instructions need re-visiting to be more specific in this area.
9388(2)
It’s not an easy match in any case, and the foredeck fitting has issues. If the notched back edge is intended to slot into the second bulkhead, then the first bulkhead should sit below the gunwale.
9292(2)
The first bulkhead and bow pieces are level with the gunwale.
(The bow stem extension has broken off, but that is easily fixed.)
9393(2)
This bulkhead, from the photos appears to form the vertical face of the fore platform.
9390
This rather unflattering macro of the bow end demonstrates the issues.
(Part of the Pearwood bulkhead on the port side snapped off during trimming.)
The problem is how to model the fore platform.
To use part B25, the first bulkhead would need to be rebated to accept the part, not an easy task at this point.
My thoughts are that the second bulkhead be infilled and brought level with the first bulkhead, and a piece fashioned to fit.
If this stands a tad proud of the top line planking, it can be used to support a bow wash strake.
I need to ponder this awhile, but until it’s sorted, I can’t really move forward with this build.
B.E.
17/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from mtaylor in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Thank you, Allan,
The kit is set up for double banking on alternative thwarts which seems unusual.
I will be adopting the single banked arrangement as shown on the contemporary model (1750) above.
ps: It is interesting that the model NMM SLR0489 is described as having twelve crew rowing double-banked.
To my eye they are rowing single banked, unless I have misunderstood the terms all these years. 🤔
The other anomaly is the barge is shown flying the Royal Standard which struck me as a little odd.
Still the model is very nice, and one I am using as a reference.
B.E.
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from mtaylor in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Seven
The gratings are secured in place using tiny spots of ca but I have found with my previous small boat builds that small enough not to spread thro’ the gratings with an annoying shiny reflection, is not always sufficient to hold securely, we shall see.
9395
I took the precaution of cutting a pattern to fit over the gratings to protect the surface during the extensive messing around inside the boat to come.
9394
The ribs are easily fitted given the notches in the grating pattern, and they do stiffen up the hull.
9393
There is an adequate supply of strip for this purpose.
There are one or two little bits to fit as per sections 32- 35 of the blurb, but back in section 13 there is a part B25 indicated, which as far as I can see is not mentioned again.
9389(2)
I suspect it may have something to do with the Foredeck but If it is, I think the instructions need re-visiting to be more specific in this area.
9388(2)
It’s not an easy match in any case, and the foredeck fitting has issues. If the notched back edge is intended to slot into the second bulkhead, then the first bulkhead should sit below the gunwale.
9292(2)
The first bulkhead and bow pieces are level with the gunwale.
(The bow stem extension has broken off, but that is easily fixed.)
9393(2)
This bulkhead, from the photos appears to form the vertical face of the fore platform.
9390
This rather unflattering macro of the bow end demonstrates the issues.
(Part of the Pearwood bulkhead on the port side snapped off during trimming.)
The problem is how to model the fore platform.
To use part B25, the first bulkhead would need to be rebated to accept the part, not an easy task at this point.
My thoughts are that the second bulkhead be infilled and brought level with the first bulkhead, and a piece fashioned to fit.
If this stands a tad proud of the top line planking, it can be used to support a bow wash strake.
I need to ponder this awhile, but until it’s sorted, I can’t really move forward with this build.
B.E.
17/11/2022
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Blue Ensign got a reaction from CiscoH in 36 Foot Admirals Barge by Blue Ensign – FINISHED - Vanguard Models – 1:64 scale
Post Seven
The gratings are secured in place using tiny spots of ca but I have found with my previous small boat builds that small enough not to spread thro’ the gratings with an annoying shiny reflection, is not always sufficient to hold securely, we shall see.
9395
I took the precaution of cutting a pattern to fit over the gratings to protect the surface during the extensive messing around inside the boat to come.
9394
The ribs are easily fitted given the notches in the grating pattern, and they do stiffen up the hull.
9393
There is an adequate supply of strip for this purpose.
There are one or two little bits to fit as per sections 32- 35 of the blurb, but back in section 13 there is a part B25 indicated, which as far as I can see is not mentioned again.
9389(2)
I suspect it may have something to do with the Foredeck but If it is, I think the instructions need re-visiting to be more specific in this area.
9388(2)
It’s not an easy match in any case, and the foredeck fitting has issues. If the notched back edge is intended to slot into the second bulkhead, then the first bulkhead should sit below the gunwale.
9292(2)
The first bulkhead and bow pieces are level with the gunwale.
(The bow stem extension has broken off, but that is easily fixed.)
9393(2)
This bulkhead, from the photos appears to form the vertical face of the fore platform.
9390
This rather unflattering macro of the bow end demonstrates the issues.
(Part of the Pearwood bulkhead on the port side snapped off during trimming.)
The problem is how to model the fore platform.
To use part B25, the first bulkhead would need to be rebated to accept the part, not an easy task at this point.
My thoughts are that the second bulkhead be infilled and brought level with the first bulkhead, and a piece fashioned to fit.
If this stands a tad proud of the top line planking, it can be used to support a bow wash strake.
I need to ponder this awhile, but until it’s sorted, I can’t really move forward with this build.
B.E.
17/11/2022