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Good day Bill, Thank You for the information - this set of" old and new wood effect " is very interesting! I will check more details abt this set in internet... Thank You!:)))
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Good day Bill! I heard many positive feedback about Vallejo acrylics paints... And You and your model confirmed it again! :))) Do they have stains for making wood and weathered effects?
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Good day Bill To paint cannon I used "Plaid FolkArts" acrylic paints and stains...color wrought iron for burrel, caramel color for wood parts as base and after brown stains were used... For model hull and masts and rigging coloring I used ordinary artist acrylic paints which I found in nearest shop, I mix them to the color I wanted, mainly I used ochra,broun,black colors for making mix... as stains I used also !dry !artistic pastels which I grounded to powder...and mix with water... to fix painted area I used deep matt acrylic warnish,as final coating... I could say ,that one, paints which You use for Your model( I saw them on your pictures) seems to me are much better!
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Hi Bill, Painting Looks very nice!!! All the best!!! ps don't You think to make metal rings ( ring+eye bolt),imitation for rope securing on the cannon port lids? it could be easy made from copper or brass wire,but add more realistic vew...I used drill 1 mm for the rings calibration , and some sweing needle smaller diam.for the ring bolt calibration... same /similar method You could use for making rigging cannon for example...or various tackles ,when tackle standing parts need to be secured on deck or board
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As soon as You are busy with standing rigging, but didn't start fore stays yet , as seems to me ,my be there is sence to check bowsprit length??? It looks like kit's bowsprit too short!... compare to the contemporary pictures and even modern reconstraction, such as Elizabeth Jonas model for example ,which looks made based on the same lines :))) as yours model... It could happened too short bowsprit make some negative effect in general appearance/vew of the model...??? At least when look on the picture of complete model posted on the kit box , bowsprit seems too short... In general, if Im not mistaken,in cas of "galleon" period visiable part of bowsprit should be not less than visiable part of fore mast, or may be slightly longer...? as example some contemporary pictures exmpl 01 example 02 modern Piter Kirsch reconstruction PK rcnstr All said above just my personal opinion, based on ipression of assembled original kit model,picture on the box, may be in reality there is nothing wrong with kit bowsprit length...
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Good dy Bill, My name is Kirill, I'm from Saint-Petersburg... from that one ,which is in Russian Federstion :)))
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there is another way of rigging... it looks more close to that You posted early you could scroll couple of pages, starting from post #360 https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=5418&start=345
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Good day Bill, Yes, this is what I meant ,in general... To make process easy, easy to adjust individual shroud length, You could use *piece of carton with drown lines of the shrouds on exact positions. *On the same piece of carton upper deadeyes could be secured temporary by piece of wire, they need to ge secured at their places as well *than free end of shroud running purt need to be turned around deadeye and secured. *in this way each shrouds could be adjusted to the nessasary length and secured - I use CA gel for final fixation and than apply a few turns of very thin tread above place where I used "CA gel" *when length of all shrouds adjusted in this way, we could remove wire which temporary secured upper deadeyes to the carton sheet and lanyards could be installed *other side shrouds could be made in similar way... *when both side done ,we could made final adjustments of the lanyards and shrouds tensions... *finaly we could attach ratlines using the same carton with drown positions of ratlines as soon as galleon deadeye have triangle shape, there is not ness-ry to make" troat seizing" but round seizing only... and free end of the shroud after final fixation , will run to the other side of standing prt of the shroud compare to the shroud secuiring in normal way - with troat seizing and round shape deadeye... there are other methods of securing shrouds exists, shown by You when upper deadeyes connected to the preinstalled lower deadeyes by pieces of wire cutted to ness-ry length of lanyards or paper clip and than running end of the shroud passed around upper deadeye and secured in ness-ry position with troat seizing( in case of round deadeyes) and round seizings... when upper deadeye is turning in , type of the rope need to be considered - is it cable-laid rope or hawser-laid rope... on the galleon model we don't need to use sheer pole... when You will turn in upper deadeye, shroud better to keep in "relaxed " shape and don't upply too much forces during final lanyards adjustments to avoid shrouds twisting and turning under load...
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I would like to offer you some other way to make shrouds... I saw it somewhere on the shipmodels sites and than try to use this methid on my model...actually it was very simple to use it from post #32
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Good day Bill! How do you plan to fitt shrouds and stays? I asked due to your very perfection style of making / painting hull of the model... I saw a few models of very big scale displaied recently( mostly Wasa's models)...and our colleagues demonstrated some interesting methods of making shrouds...which didn' t make good natural appearance at the end... frankly speaking I don' t understand why they used this way of making shrouds ,which is more suitable for the shrouds of models in 1:200 and less scales,but not for such big scales, by my opinion... In such big scale You could reproduce almost natural way of making shrouds and stays and making ratlines knots... all what just need some patience, couple of tweezers , CA , and paints... There shroud loops above mast tops need to be made , with seized loop need to be done... than upper deadeyes need to be installed by using cartoon patern plates with marked upper desdeyes positions,and upper deadeyes temporary secuerd by thin wire ,shrouds location and ratlines positions need to be drown...and than, just need to make all ness-ry connections of all components need to be made... But I saw our colleagues made shrouds complitely assembled on the table and than try to fitt it on the masts.,with cutted off loops :((( ..and final results looks not so good by my opinion...still don't understand why don't try to do the same things ,spend same skills and time ...just do the same job in little bit different way...? So, what is Your plans regarding rigging? :)))
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there are a few links for various written works and studies devoted to 16-17 ship building... oops,sorry, direct links were already given by Backer https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Uxt8/b6Lu2ZZKr https://cloud.mail.ru/public/FwxT/jrM6vVqTq https://cloud.mail.ru/public/WejJ/SsqeAg8Cg https://cloud.mail.ru/public/dBCL/7YizAZCFB https://cloud.mail.ru/public/cdG4/8PiyPcSGZ https://cloud.mail.ru/public/zybz/mLi9ZgaQC https://cloud.mail.ru/public/7Jkk/P5EVxgBMA https://cloud.mail.ru/public/4VWW/ZDKKpXoaM https://cloud.mail.ru/public/AT9D/RD4f3MQpW https://cloud.mail.ru/public/qZPN/5pA8oUrho https://cloud.mail.ru/public/wtWt/df1kKHdKL https://cloud.mail.ru/public/za1C/j55UJkF7K
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Dear Backer, Thanks for the links!:))) As we could see there are a few modern things implemented on replica bu authority requests which couldn't be seen on contemporary vessels of that period - steering wheel, foot ropes, some of ratlines made from wood planks... in that book which I refered early author of the Mayflower replica explained why such modernization were done ...
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Good day, Before repaint ,it better to be tested on some piece of plastic or back side of the decks plate for example ,using the same paint as before... If result will be good, than model could be repainted ... or if there is a risk to destroy painted , just leave it without repaint... also , first may be need to paint all surface by same dark brown color,and to repaint white after?
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Good day, Dear Bill By my opinion, there are two ways, A if You making exact model of replica Mayflower II , than bottom part need to painted as You did, as they did it on real replica B if You making just hystorical model of Mayflower , as piligrimm vessel , than entire botom part of the hull need to be painted white... No, not white but let's say white-grayish ... - this white -greyish color will simulate color of protecting substance which used in 16-17 centures to protect under water part of the hull against ''sea worms''... of cause this will be very simplified simulation of protection coating, when model will be painted this white-grayish, while real underwater coating consisted of several layers of different materials finished with thin wooden planks or even ,more often, lead sheets... I think creators of Mayflower II replica did this white color painting for hystoric acuracy only, but real underwater modern protection layer has this red-brown color... I don't think we need to reproduce it( this two color painting underwater part) on the model... And as I know, in this time there it was not ness-ry to draw waterline in modern style yet... just to paint grey-white entire hull till first strake... detailed and very interesting information about construction Mayflower II and 17 centure shipbuilding You could find in this book , writen by creator of Mayflower replica
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Good day! Nice painting job, very accurate! Нave question about under water part color... Never see before such color scheme for underwater part, white-black? ...as I know in Tudor time under water part usually covered with a dark, black-brown compound- such color You could see on Antony roll fo example, but later on ,starting from Elizabethuan period , components of this compaund were changed,and color became white-greish color... on the model it could be shown as white ( with add of grey and ochra color...) This combination of both colors looks very unusual... Why did You use such two colors scheme?
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some considerations about rigging coloring... in the begining, when I didn't know too much ... I did it paint, treads, by mix of acrylic paints and acrylic varnish... I used syntetic treads " gutermann" without furs... but this acrylic coat is not too resistant stays on treads, and need to be restored again and again after intensive manipulations with rigging trough the blocks... But later on I 've found more interesting technique to use oil artistic painta and oil for coloring model rigging how it looks like You could see on D.Shevelev models/// https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=71120 posts 284 -286 https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=71037&start=270
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And... if You don't know yet... there is one more recent recearch made by our collegae,reconstruction based oj Aker/s ideas https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t6619f952-Alternative-Rekonstruktion-der-GOLDEN-HIND.html I could guess it will be interesting for them of us...who interesting in galleon models :))) https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t6619f952-Alternative-Rekonstruktion-der-GOLDEN-HIND-11.html
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Yes!!! Agree!! And there is one more briliant book abt May Flower ,in my opinion, of couse ... may be, not only my
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Good day, Fully agree with that ! Need to make some precautions to avoid bend them...!!! when I was busy with standing rigging I tried don't apply tension at all, or did it: *as minimum as possible just sufficient to keep lines of stays and shrouds strait but no more. I used preliminary painted treads by mix of acrylic paints and varnish... but later on I knew that much better to paint treads by mix of artistic paints and artistic oil... sometimes it was very usefull to paint treads such as crowsfeet of mizzen lifts for example, after installation -this way it will be much easy to make them strait and aplly paint after final fixation... *some stays(mizen and bonaventure masts and some top masts stays) I fitted at place in reverse order for convenience- started to fitt them from lower stay parts and complete installation and final stay tension adjustment on the mast top... in my version of galleon stays it was possible due to I didn't use stays mouse but imitation of seized or spliced eyes... *all running rigging I try to show slacked wherever possible. To have rope making machine - great idea !!! treads will looks more realistic and You will have all rope sizes You need on your model !!! some type of rope making machine, of very simple construction,could be made at home even from cartons sheet and pieces of thick steel wire without gears...
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there are a few pictures of museum 's Vasa rigging reconstruction - You could see positions of the shrouds and stays loops above masts tops ... more or less similar rigging arrangements could be reproduced on the GH model ... just will be less sails and ropes, but basic remains the same! 7_b rigg rekons.pdf 6_b riggfästen mm.pdf
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