kirill4
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Good day, Welcome to the galleons building cosiety! I think this Amati Revenge kit which You mentioned ,presently is most accurate representation of elizabethian galleon on the wooden model market...:))) Agree with You about grating modifications if You planned to do it... AND! may be there is sence to check / to look at locations of forward gun's ports and how that broken lines of wales passes in forward part as well ,...looks like it has some excessive break in this kit compare to famous M. Baker galleon profile? by the way , there is very interesting and informative resource of galleon here https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/f528-Revenge-England.html including alternative reconstruction of GH after Raimond Acker https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t6619f952-Alternative-Rekonstruktion-der-GOLDEN-HIND.html and here https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73412 and building Revenge from scratch https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=74848 last two in russian could be fixed with google translation if text need to be read there are a few interesting books about english galleon shipbuilding history All the best!!! Kirill
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Oh no! :))) this is not a call for total rebuild ... just formaly ,I feel this question must be done due to nature of the model which is galleon :)))
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^g:))) why deadeyes round shape but not triangle than? provocation question! :)))
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Good day, I Agree with Thunder , There is sence, to use more specific book ,such as devoted to Mayflower or Susan Constant where is information about english galleons let say - concentrated :)))... I advise to use R.C.Anderson book just because I used it when was busy with rigging of my model, unfortunately or not, but that time I didn't have Noel C L Hackney books about Mayflower... I had book" Susan Constant "but didn't use it in such grade as I used R.C. Anderson...don't know why, may be Anderson's book seems to me more informative and I consider it as prime source of information because of author "background" ....and still love it! by the way,I remember in that time when I was trying to learn galleon rigging and to make rigging plans for my model using informatiin from Anderson book, I ve made some sketchs for better understanding how rigging could be done on my model it was just experiment with rigging/which I was interesting too much,but masts and spars fashion was left without changes ,as it was reproduced in the kit
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first You need calculate your main stay diam. manualy = 0,166 x biggest main mast diameter second You should fill results into green cell in the table,all other sizes will be calculated auto
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I don't know... They looks quite good for me! general appearance/ distances between deadeyes/ on post #49 seems right
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Could suggest, just some thoughts how to make them all similar....what if first 1.to make rings of requested and necessary diameter, fabricate them on some of round stick, 2.than soldering cut and blackening rings entire 3.and finaly adjust necessary shape around deaeyes
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Good day, Did You try to use exel table? for auto calculationcall of all of your standing riggings?
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Good! From my point of vew , it looks more accurate and logical! than previous version... at least top mast shrouds need to be connected to the main shrouds for balance reasons, and your suggestion works in this way
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?smthng like this ? just as suggestion...
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Good day, This part- just imitation easy could be made, using the same fittings You already installed on the top platform of the model...just need to add futtock staf and shrouds , this parts lets say " mandatory" and will improove accuracy of your model! :)))
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Good day, If You have time,would be better first of all to read that book, R.C .Anderson... Not ness-ry to read it all in one time.. read it in portion, when You will be busy with shrouds - read article about shrouds , busy with stays - to read in article all regarding stays, and so on...book devided for section, so it will perfectly quide You in rigging!:))) You could first work with table , and calculate all standing rigging sizes... table use diam.main mast for calculations... Images could be used for studing rigging lines and as referens for better understanding how it should looks like ... All the best!
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Good day shipman, Unfortunately I have only this drawings of CS made by Campbell,which could be used for discussion /for reffer to some details...would be glad to find some another of such high detailed, but don't have ...
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Good day Bruma, I understood your difficulties with the hearts, regarding position - if We look at foto, than positions of lower hearts they are under letter of name plates, on the model picture they looks shifted too forward? or it is just visual effect? All the best !
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futtock shrouds ,as variant
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Tomasz, Futtock shrouds!???🙄😁 or just don't like them?
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Good day, Understood about location of belaying pins... most probably railings are the best places for them in this case...:) Regarding fitting or not tie halliard block I don' know exactly about SOS case? The only thing ,if You decided to fitt them or don't fitt and use jeers ,anyway than all masts should be fitted in the same way . I know there was difference in english and continental ( Europe)way of arrangements of lower/ main sails... First,english tradition, mainly used jeers ,not tie halliards....but this is depend on period of couse,in the begining England use tie halliard as well... there is scans from R.C.Anderson's book on this engravings surely we could see tie halliards blocks of fore and main sails
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Good day, I Agree with Bruma remarks, I doubt if it is right way *to bent sails to the yard in this case( clipper) but not to the jackstays *and agreed with remarks about chain sheet and clew lines attachements- I think this part of your rigging need to be additionaly studied for understanding system work and checked,of couse if You want and need it ;)... this couple of screenshot from Harold .A. Underhill book hau masting and rigging clipper ship 33.pdf hau masting and rigging clipper ship 34.pdf
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Good day, have some doubts regarding position ( under name plate)and the way of securing hearts/ (not deadeyes) of standing parts of the stays to the hull compare to the Campbell drawings and his notes on the drawings... and position of the middle rail in the kit looks wrong? Cutty Sark.pdf
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Good day, Nice work! Talking of pinrails, consider they were not in use in that time( but belaying pins were), even on 17-18 century models we could hard to find them... maybe to add just horisontal bar ? just for information,there are some foto of the tie halliard block shape - replicas of Batavia,Mayflower,Duyfken Interesting that Batavia replica used upper sheeve in this blok,but other replicas - not
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Dear Tomasz, Great part of my knowledge ,if not all, I took from R.C.Anderson book about 17 century rigging... wnen I rigging my model,it was very easy and interesting He gave information in logical order same as sailing ship model need to be rigged... I just read a few pages,lets say about main stay or main lifts for example and tnan just made a few ropes on my model as it was described/ guided in his book - rope by rope - page by page...:) later on I found more resourses with relevant information, but in common them all just confirm what Anderson said already in his book many years ago :))) good source of informatiin about 16-17 century rigging it is museum , art works of famous Dutch artists of that period - there is the link in my signature to their work...some of the paints like fotograph,such detailed!!!
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Visualy they Look very good ! Maybe everything good with ratlines thickness as well...at least on this foto ratlines look not far from proper size? Alarm! - I saw on the picture some of the ratlines end knots look like are going to be undone/unseizing by itself...
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Good day Tomasz, foot ropes -Why did You make them / is it in the kit's manual? Actually ,during galleon era and well till the end of the 17th centure foot ropes were not known ...and not used... as example ,one of the Willem van de Velde drawing - no foot ropes... but this is already mid of the 17th century...
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I know Mayflower II replica had steering gear wheel which was arranged in purpose for transatlantic voyage , they also arranged foot ropes for convinience working with sails, but it was artifucial additions which couldn't be seen on the vessel in 16-17 centures
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Those type of kevel which Anderson refers as english type, we could see on the contemporary english models 17- 18 cenrures
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