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Dear Bill, I'm very sorry :))) but have some thoughts...after watching Your model fotos... May be there is sence, to avoid making mistakes, to spend approx 20 min. to read Anderson book? https://cloud.mail.ru/public/JU7C/bVhk9VrXn https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Aua2/rJZNnLbhj https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3Wmx/iJuDBUo6v https://cloud.mail.ru/public/MpaE/CZdnEmv6e just read relevant page about each of rigging lines before You will start making any rigging lines.? .. of couse if it is matter /important for You, to make rigging more or less in right way and study 17 century rigging practice? if not , and You want just assemble this kit - please continue by Your own taste :))) and kit instructions ... it will be good as well!!! Of couse first of all it is your model ! and You have to get pleasure during working with your model! All The Best!!! Kirill standing rigging thickness.xls
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this kind of knob more suitable for ordinary , let' s say , standing parts of running rigging...in case You want to secure cable standing part of tackle running rigging to the ring bolt on the deck , for example...
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Good day, Dear Bosco72, As far as I know ahchor cable siezed to the anchor with special knot , please tell us why did You choose this kind of anchor cable attachment? picture from this book... just as example , this knot used during centures to secure anchor's cable...
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traditionaly, there is certain sequince in fitting rigging settled trough centuries :))) and this is probably most convenient way in rigging: first standing - *side tackles pendants and main stay tackles pendant *shrouds *stays *backstays their loops on the mast head have to be placed one above another second stage fitting running rigging, on the model I think there is not such strict secquince as in fitting of standing rigging, running rigging could be done in much convenient way... but logicaly it could be done from bottom to top of the masts fore>main>mizzen *spritsail *rigging main sail *topsail *topgallant sail,etc. braces and bowlines could be finaly fitted in last turn ,when all sails will be at place...
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depends on available resources... best results will be by making all ness-ry sizes yourself using rope making machine...on the market we could find many differnt kinds of such devices from very primitive construction and cheap price to high tech very expansive machines ...funny things that final results will be almost the same doesn't matter which kind of rope making device were used :)))
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Actually standing rigging is not black...may be dark brown ,as natural hemp tarred looks like? Running rigging same material but not tarred - should be kind of light ochre-brown color? But You will need much more different sizes of treads for making good looking rigging, obviously two is not safficient!:) roughly say , You be need about 10-12 different sizes of the ropes... and by my opinion ,that treads from the kit ... better don't to use them :((( they have too much "fur" ,on the model they will not looks nice and just will spoil perfectly assembled and painted hull...if possible need try to find treads with smooth surface...
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backing to lowering topmast we could look at the drowing from Ab Hoving book again - there is special mechanism designed for that
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Yes,correct... topmast need to be remained moveable... it is often lowering down on real vessel of that period, if weather getting worst and serious storm is coming topmast could be lowered down... Of couse if construction of topmast allowed to do this...at least in 17th century it was common practice as I know....early galleon of 16 century most probably didn't have such option due to there was different type of connection between mast and topmast, kind of permanent connection...
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I would reccomend first to complete standing rigging, and than to start running rigging ,not vise versa it will be easy for installation... treads which You use have too much "fur" ,it seems strange on the pictures...don't You consider to make some treatment or even start to use another kind of treads, without fur? I know Gutermann treads " tera " serie quite good in this respect...
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Peterson shown us how to rigg shrouds in exploded vew..,however first pair shown fitted at place, around masthead... please note first burton pendants need to be fitted,than shrouds... Did You fitt that pendants for side tackles? there are some pictures from Ab Hoving book... it is about Dutch shipbuilding ,but in principal rigging the same as used in Mayflower case
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Oh! I understood!:))) If You would follow assembly instructions it should be OK!:)... they are very simplified and not supposed shrouds loops creating at all... but if followed second picture from Peterson book( which tells us how it should be), in that case You did it a little bit wrong... You made loops around topmast ,which need to be kept " moveable" ,but shrouds loops need to be arranged around main masthead instead of...please check second picture You posted carefully:))) there are some pictures from Ab Hoving book ,and Winter book
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Good day BACKER, Top mast should have possibilities to be lowered down fast ...depehd on weather conditions... but wnen we will make securing shroud loops like that , it will be very difficult to lowering down topsails
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one of the rigging lines You shown by arrows,most probably are main sail tie halliyards and another one most probably topsail lifts... but they doesn't looks like you shown on your model, when all that lines just attached to topsail yard :)))...there is no sence at all to show such rigging arrangements :))) however , I think ,it is your model, and You can do whatever You like to do on it ,just to get fun ! Wish You All The Best! Kirill
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Mayflower rigging is almost identical to the fluit's rigging I shown to You earlier/ Ab Hoving reconstruction ... Please don't hurry up and check rigging lines of main and top sails and yards rigging and how they are working and attached to belaying points... Please be familiar with all that lifts lines,clew lines,leach lines of the sails etc. :)))... a little time need to spend for this study ... and You will find some interesting and funny things You made now in your rigging :)))
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Good day, deadeye chains looks good, there is something wrong with shrouds arrangements... All the BEST!!! Kirill
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I understood it should be running rigging of main and topsails , at least such running rigging ocupate this area as a rule the only difference will be how to show them ... I have some pictures made by famous author Ab Hoving which probably could help You in rigging your galleon model and save some time otherwise ness-ry for study books about rigging
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I'm sorry, I didn't attach picture to my post, I thought I did it but actually not ,sorry I questioned about this rigging
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Good day, Dear Bosco72, Please advise, what is the purpose of this rigging? Can't understand their functionality...seems to me there could be something wrong with arrangements... All the best! Kirill
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Thank you very mach, Bruma, clear about deadeyes... I thought/ planned to use "dremel " hand drill to machine a little bit topgallant 2 mm conventional deadeyes to smaller size? but it is just my plan... I didn't try to do it... And I think to use liquid plastic to replicate/ casting blocks and dead eyes as much as I need in different sizes and shapes... they are seems too expensive for me if planned to purchase all ness-ry quantity on the market... I planned to purchase 10 pcs of each sizes and shapes( high quality professional made blocks and deadeyes) I need and than to replicate them in epoxy or in plastick...as much as I need...
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Ah, sorry, that chain You was lucky to find ,smallest one , how many links per cm is it ? is it "Trumpeter" made/ product? sure/agree that clipper sheets( of this period) need to be made from shain! even we have to sacrifice a scale a little bit
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Good day Bruma, some vital important questions for me, 1. What are the sizes of deadeyes which you use? all 3 sizes ( main,top and top gallant)? or You use more sizes? Where did you find them( deadeyes)? 2. I saw you use same size for top gallant and top mast deadeyes? why? or it looks same only on the foto?
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Good day shipman, for this site ,for ordering , maybe we could use google translator?...sometimes it works but this smallest chain size, 16 links per 1 cm , may be it will be good for sheets? or it is still too big?
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