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You are very wise Kevin doing some experimentation with your tools before starting 'proper'.One thing to keep in mind is that I doubt there is a builder in existence that makes every piece perfect first time.Don't be discouraged if you find yourself 'feeding' the scrap bin.Making mistakes helps you learn more than doing everything right first time.The beauty of scratchbuilding is it is only another piece of wood,as opposed to a kit part which isn't so easy to replace.
I find using homemade sanding sticks to produce bevels on planks gives you far more control than using a normal sanding block.After trying nearly all the varnishes available in the UK(yes we cannot get half the products mentioned on this forum),I have settled on what Chris Watton uses,Ronseal Ultra tough matt coat.It is very versatile and can also be thinned and sprayed for exceptional results(however you would need something with a decent nozzle size for this,rather than a small airbrush nozzle).
 
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Nigel

A small,but possibly useful update Work has stopped on my deck 'treenailing' as I have now been waiting a week for some more drillbits to arrive
I have decided to start producing the deck clamps 'in the rough'.These are made from 3mm thick pear sheet and spiled,profiled and prebent where necessary to conform to the inside of the hull.This is not helped by the fact that the tumblehome changes direction right in the middle of these pieces.My plan is to make and bend the sections overlength and add the hooked scarph joints to the ends a little later.
I have started at the bow,a paper template was made for the shape and pieces cut to suit oversize in height and length.The top edge cannot be accurately established until the deck beams are dry fitted and the hull cutouts used as a reference.The angle of cut of the top edge also changes massively at the bow as the profile is in effect twisted.
I soaked the piece to be bent for three hours in water,then this was placed in the kettle and boiled up.The strip was first worked in my fingers to ease the bending process.The strip was then clamped to the inside of the hull and left for 3 days!!!!.Upon removal absolutely no spring back was experienced.The final job for now was to dish the matting face to suit the tumblehome.
The second one is now clamped in place and is resting for it's 3 days I will continue with something else for the rest of the weekend
 
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Nigel

The link was Dr Mike's work.His Rivoli ones are even nicer,actual rounded nail heads and made in silver against boxwood.I would have had to delve deep into his build log to find that one.
 
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Nigel

Hi Nigel,
 
Interesting facts, considering the enormous amount of money involved the king had to grant  for the construction, it would be reasonable to think that they found a way to give an idea of the look of the model before the realisation of the ship to help the king to take a decision.

Eamonn,you ask the million dollar question.I have not seen substantiated information about RN vessels of my chosen periods that say either way.The model I mentioned shows to me there is a good possibility they followed the same practice.Interestingly,Michael (md1400s) has just posted some excellent pics of Vasa's gunports featuring the same details.
Basically,aesthetically they add a great deal and my using the NMM model argument as my justification should keep the judges happy
 
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Nigel

Hi Gaetan
I have followed along in the shadows for a while,but now must say I am admirer of your work,it is fantastic  Two things historically you may find of interest,but you may know already.
It is officially documented that a builders model was produced for Sovereign of the Seas.This is regarded as possibly the first builders model in England.This dates to around 1637.
In 1698,Peter the Great visited the Royal dockyards and was given a model of the Royal Sovereign,this started the ship model building phenomenon in Russia that many of us are aware of today.
 
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Nigel

Hi Keith
Thank you very much and yes it is Roma's model I am referring.I will try both single and double fixings on a scrap 'mock up'.I think many may realise I am borderline certifiable     .
I have two options with shaping.One is to sand the curved profile,but I would much rather be able to thin the grating enough to enable me to shape the piece by water application.This is the reason for the thinned varnish,to reinforce around the holes to allow removal of further material by sanding.
The nailed gunport lids is something I will touch on later in this build as I intend to open a 'can of worms' regarding history.It has generally been accepted this was a French practice,however there is a sectional model of a gun position from Royal William that was in the NMM.This dates to the time of the vessel and the 'sea of nails' can be made out beneath the paint .I shall be adopting this on both Mordaunt and Royal William.This is what I am hoping to achieve with copper
http://www.shipmodels.com.ua/images/models/le_ambiteux/22_b.jpg
 
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Nigel

A small update,besides cutting and shaping up some more deck beams(not taken any pics as they are well,beams  ) I have milled two more grating 'bases' but have also built up the first one.This has to be cut to size and the top shaped.I have given it a thin coat of polyurethane to stiffen it up a little and hopefully stop me loosing the crisp edges through chipping.
 
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Nigel

Thank you very much indeed Michael for your kind words Knowing my log has been your breakfast companion makes me smile even more The nail detail is not written off just yet Just need to up my game tool wise.As I now have to fit the fastenings inside a 1mm square box,I am going to opt for one fixing per joint(I know of one Russian master who went for just the one on his model of Le Requin).The cobalt PCB drill has the issue of only having 1mm of drilling section.I am going for a 0.2mm hole with 0.18mm copper wire.Two fixings are theoretically possible,but we are bordering brain surgery .Either way,this will have to be drilled on the mill table for accuracy and the curved profile of the top face added beforehand due to the limited drill depth.At present,I am giving this much further thought as to whether the grating should be fitted into it's combing first or later.
 
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Nigel

Thank you very much indeed Bob,Bill and Joe
 
I have used the laminating technique on other builds Bill.The issue in this instance is that the lower section has a deep chamfer feathering into the ceiling planks.This would make the glue joints highly visible.Had this not been the case,I may well of adopted that approach.I have made a fair few spiral staircases,but in steel,not wood .
 
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Nigel

Thanks for that Mate. 
 
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Eamonn,you ask the million dollar question.I have not seen substantiated information about RN vessels of my chosen periods that say either way.The model I mentioned shows to me there is a good possibility they followed the same practice.Interestingly,Michael (md1400s) has just posted some excellent pics of Vasa's gunports featuring the same details.
Basically,aesthetically they add a great deal and my using the NMM model argument as my justification should keep the judges happy
 
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Nigel

Nigel,
 
As usual thanks for your sage advice. Yes that is a great solution. That said, however working on the sizing of those little second door bits I now realize, retrospectively of course, that as a novice when first starting this ship the gun port openings actually vary in size. So I will need to, visually, adjust each of those 100 inner bits here and there so as too appear, if the doors were to be closed, that the inner frame would fit within the door framing and not be too wide when seen with the doors open (which they will remain)
 
I have learned so much through being a member here from all of you artists. All of which will be incorporated into my next project that will certainly have many less builder errors (:-) So for now its an ad hoc go as you go for these doors. I'm also learning the meaning "foresight"
 
Always enjoy and appreciate your continued interest and posts
 
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Michael

They are going to look great Michael As ever,I am thinking if you could laminate the two sections together,then mill to size and mill the rebate on the MF70.This would mean perfect squareness and an exact lip on all lids.Just a suggestion my friend,thinking of how this mass production job could be made a little easier.Hardest thing would be holding them.Possibly spot gluing to a sheet of ply and clamping that down.
 
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Nigel

Your 'Sea Of Nails' should look a treat Nigel .. on this matter was Royal Navy practice to do this with Tree Nails or just just to do it differently, i.e. using less nails ? if you follow.
 
Eamonn

The copper will be striking against that pear.
The gun lid link has some amazing symmetry. Either a mill or someone with an amazing eye and skill level. Works of such masters I can look at for hours.

£359.00
thats a lot of money but the reviews seam ok, in fact i dont see a bad one, but thats would be the HMS Druid money used up
- lol oh the dilema

Hi Keith
Thank you very much and yes it is Roma's model I am referring.I will try both single and double fixings on a scrap 'mock up'.I think many may realise I am borderline certifiable     .
I have two options with shaping.One is to sand the curved profile,but I would much rather be able to thin the grating enough to enable me to shape the piece by water application.This is the reason for the thinned varnish,to reinforce around the holes to allow removal of further material by sanding.
The nailed gunport lids is something I will touch on later in this build as I intend to open a 'can of worms' regarding history.It has generally been accepted this was a French practice,however there is a sectional model of a gun position from Royal William that was in the NMM.This dates to the time of the vessel and the 'sea of nails' can be made out beneath the paint .I shall be adopting this on both Mordaunt and Royal William.This is what I am hoping to achieve with copper
http://www.shipmodels.com.ua/images/models/le_ambiteux/22_b.jpg
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Hi Keith
Thank you very much and yes it is Roma's model I am referring.I will try both single and double fixings on a scrap 'mock up'.I think many may realise I am borderline certifiable     .
I have two options with shaping.One is to sand the curved profile,but I would much rather be able to thin the grating enough to enable me to shape the piece by water application.This is the reason for the thinned varnish,to reinforce around the holes to allow removal of further material by sanding.
The nailed gunport lids is something I will touch on later in this build as I intend to open a 'can of worms' regarding history.It has generally been accepted this was a French practice,however there is a sectional model of a gun position from Royal William that was in the NMM.This dates to the time of the vessel and the 'sea of nails' can be made out beneath the paint .I shall be adopting this on both Mordaunt and Royal William.This is what I am hoping to achieve with copper
http://www.shipmodels.com.ua/images/models/le_ambiteux/22_b.jpg
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

wife has suggested a hegner muticut 1 

Hi Keith
Thank you very much and yes it is Roma's model I am referring.I will try both single and double fixings on a scrap 'mock up'.I think many may realise I am borderline certifiable     .
I have two options with shaping.One is to sand the curved profile,but I would much rather be able to thin the grating enough to enable me to shape the piece by water application.This is the reason for the thinned varnish,to reinforce around the holes to allow removal of further material by sanding.
The nailed gunport lids is something I will touch on later in this build as I intend to open a 'can of worms' regarding history.It has generally been accepted this was a French practice,however there is a sectional model of a gun position from Royal William that was in the NMM.This dates to the time of the vessel and the 'sea of nails' can be made out beneath the paint .I shall be adopting this on both Mordaunt and Royal William.This is what I am hoping to achieve with copper
http://www.shipmodels.com.ua/images/models/le_ambiteux/22_b.jpg
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel

Oh dear,now you do really face the dilemma,cheap and cheerful,or proper money Only advise I would offer is go for one that takes plain ended blades,not just pinned.There is a vast selection of blades available plain ended,unlike the pinned which my saw uses
 
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Nigel

Hello,
 
thanks for the nice comments.
Another small detail has been made ​​for the French corvette.
It is a roller on the Main deck .
This is fixed in front of the main mast on the open Main deck .
The making of this steering roller (height approx. 8 mm) was performed in three parts, which I turned on my little lathe. The roller was made of brass.

 

 
    

For what purpose this roller was used precisely, is what I can only guess.
Because it is in the context with the guide rollers (tourniquet), I see a connection there with the messenger.
I also hope on the expertise of one or the other on the forum that explain this more detailed

 


To be continued ...

Kevin
My scroll is a cheap and cheerful one.I don't know how much better things would be with a more expensive one.At the moment I am not willing to part with 300 quid to find out.If yours is like mine,the recessed section where the blade goes through is the cause for the timber trying to 'jump'.There is an added issue if you are cutting pear,there are hard and soft spots throughout this timber that can send the blade wandering.When I cut ply and boxwood things are much,much easier.
 
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Nigel

A small update,besides cutting and shaping up some more deck beams(not taken any pics as they are well,beams  ) I have milled two more grating 'bases' but have also built up the first one.This has to be cut to size and the top shaped.I have given it a thin coat of polyurethane to stiffen it up a little and hopefully stop me loosing the crisp edges through chipping.
 
Kind Regards
 
Nigel