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Sad but true - but I really believe it to be correct ... ... The rigols replaced by triangles, the lines destroyed by the augmented bulwark, the ridiculous proportions of the masts and spars, the missing of half of the shrouds, the round bow with the lines going round, the iron hawses, the scuttles for the orlop with triangular "rigols", the closed waist with the garden sheds atop, and the missing bulkheads under the poop ... ... yes that was meant to be the Vic, plenty of photographs show this. XXXDAn

Bob: I simply LOVE it! Heave! (Quist:) Five years hard labor, the judge says to me... ...or honorable service in His Majesty's Navy. What did I pick? Hornblower. ... (Sailor:) What are we doing in the Pacific, anyway? I tell you, he's got us all lost. ... (Quist:) There's islands there where we could have a picnic. Brown-skinned girls, bread growing on trees, where the Bounty went. Why don't you ask Hornblower to take us there? What's wrong with our cargo doing the asking? Muskets and ammunition. Who for? Why not for us? Link: Look here at the still from about 3:00 min Harrison: Come on, get on with your work. Get on with it. These are the things that makes a little dafi happy :-) XXXDAn

YELLOWBEARD - that reminds me to see THAT holy grail again. But still looking for THE other classic :-) XXXDAn

Hy Bob, perfect fit for the year! HOT-HOT-HOT Daniel

Dear Mark, clever trick from your side too ;-) ... ... heave ... ... ...heave ... ... ... heave ... Five years of hard labour, the judge said to me, or honorable service in His Majesty´s Navy. ... ... What did I pick? *censored* ... ... What are we doing in the Pacific anyway? I tell you, he´s got us lost. ... ... heave ... ... ... *the missing words* ... ... XXXDAn

Always a pure joy to follow. Having seen the model in real life several times it must be pointed out, that the real thing is even more impressing than on the pictures. Alex, simply wonderful work! Daniel

... heave ... ... five years hard labor, the judge said to me, or honorable service in His Majesty´s Navy. What did I pick? ... ... heave ... ... What are we doing in the pacific anyway? I tell you, he´s got us lost. ... heave ... XXXDAn

Hyho - one german forum already solved the mystery! Do not stay behind, you have a reputation to defend ;-) ... heave ... ... five years hard labor, the judge said to me, or honorable service in His Majesty´s Navy. ... heave ... XXXDAn

Thank you for the replies ... ... but I am getting desperate ... ... heave ... ... was mixing so long to get the color of that fancy hat right ... ... heave ... ... I tell you he´s got us lost ... ... heave ... ... XXXDAn

... and here it comes, the final question of great fascinating weekend quiz: Can you recite the dialog of these pictures?? ...hihihihihihihihi... XXXDAn

Thanx Dave ! Hello Popeye, quite easy - just draw the box open ;-) XXXDAn

... Pandora´s box is slowly opening ... ... XXXDan

... meanwhile preparing big things ... ... the resin saw found a new duty :-) Hooked in the pulleys ... ... using some brown yarn to keep things together. And then the great moment ... ... down the ties ... ... but the big question is still to come ... XXXDAn

And what would be a successful tinkering weekend without decent damage reports ... Adaptations on the second carriage ... ... ... together with the almost oob version. And then reworking carriage 1 ... ... ... XXXDAn

Just by luck discovered this small detail on the Vic replica ... ... just a small twist for the story ... XXXDAn

Also could be a question of how much powder and shot was used. Apart from Niagara all life fire seems to be without shot and reduced charge. To my rendition: Even though the screw is 0,4 mm (means 4 cm in real life) I already prepared a 0,6 replacement. Cheers and thanks, Daniel

There seems a lot of evidence about sailors wearing shoes aloft. Most of the contemporary drawings I know done by sailors shows them with shoes aloft. "The man of HMS Victory at Trafalgar" by John D. Clarke mentions the mast sale of the belongings of Andrew Sack, Yoeman of sheets, who died at Trafalgar, among were 1 pair of boots and 4 pair of shoes. From the wreckages 1814 of Thorsminde there is an interesting thesis about the found footwear: http://www.maritimearchaeology.dk/downloads/Martin%20Lonergan_Thesis.pdf Plenty of information and pictures Personal possesions from HMS Boscawen Thesis by Gail Erwin Thesis: December 1994 http://nautarch.tamu.edu/Theses/pdf-files/Erwin-MA1994.pdf Enjoy, Daniel

...hihihihihihi... Beckham knows the truth :-) Long_Thick_Rope.jpg But technically possible does not mean it is suitable for handling ... ...hihihihihihi... XXXDAn

Double check - the small surface for the wedge, if one knows where to look, one can find ;-) XXXDAn

Thank you all for your research :-) Another good hint came from Jörg/Chapman in our german forum: He quotes Caruana´s Sea Ordonance saying, that the wedge was necessary for shooting as the spindle for height adjustment would be destroyed after some shots. It looks like there was even a square surface on the bottom of the barrel to properly fit the wedge. This small surface was also used for the serial number. He also claims that when the low trunnions were introduced, the side parts of the carriage had to be left off on the new carriage, thus resulting in the introduction of the elevation screw as handbars could not be used any more efficiently because of the missing leverage points. As the spindle was too weak, the wedge was placed just before the shot. Chers, Daniel

Here is just a copy of my building report, that shows, how some minor changes effect quite heavily the usage: After the rounds in the NMM, beyond all the different shapes and systems, I did find some similarities. - The bolt of the lower part as near to the wall as possible, gives 2mm - Shortened the front of the sled gives 1,5 mm - makes 3,5 mm closer to the edge :-) - no feed for higher flor plate as it was apparently in use for smaller calibers. Ok let´s go for the infamous Texas carronades massacre ... ... new hole in the floor plate, new bolt on the lower part and shortened sled ... ... pushed back ... ... and now fits in the front ... ... also the radius fits much better :-) Have to admid the timberheads being quite close to each other. Now still is the mystery of the turning sled ... ... but I am sure we will find that out ;-) XXXDAn

Hello Izzy and Jud, not sure if I got you a 100% ... Jud: I believe the elevation screw was actually used to adapt the height, as all carriages using wedges and therefor bars have the sides of the carriage made of wood and with those typical steps as silhouette. Those steps served for the bars to have a leverage point. If those side parts are missing, it is rather difficult to work the bars properly ... Izzy: As I mentioned before, me too I wonder, if the screw was eased by a wedge while shooting or being lashed for sailing. Fact is, as long as the screw is used, I just discovered the wedges only in 19th century replicas so far, and not in contemporary sources. Not being a physicist, I do not know enough about the stability of 18th century iron rod srews of about 2" (guessed by the proportion; about 6 cm) and the forces of the shot pressing onto them. XXXDan

Still had some more rounds in the NMM, checked all available carronades, found them all different, but found some similarities. - The bolt of the lower part as near to the wall as possible, gives 2mm - Shortened the front of the sled gives 1,5 mm - makes 3,5 mm :-) - no feed for higher flor plate Ok let´s go for the infamous Texas carronades massacre ... ... new hole in the floor plate, new bolt on the lower part and shortened sled ... ... pushed back ... ... and now fits in the front ... ... also the radius fits much better :-) Have to admid the timberheads being quite close to each other. Now still is the mystery of the turning sled ... ... but I am sure we will find that out ;-) XXXDAn

Thank you for all the hints. Some more NMM! Royal William Sectional design model depicting midship gun deck of the 'Royal William' (1719). Shows corronade. Model is decked, equipped and working. Model inscribed "Royal William 2nd rate lower. deck. port.". Date made circa 1800 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68882.htmlSLR2927 Muzzle loading carronade Model of a carronade (about 1830) on a non-recoil carriage made entirely in wood with a metal swivelling retention bar. The gun is turned from a single piece of wood, painted black, and pivots on trunnions fixed to the bottom of the gun. The carriage is also made in wood and painted black. The bottom of the carriage has a metal rail running its entire length and extending from the front through which two securing holes are bored. Beneath the rail at the mid point of the carriage is a single transverse mounted wooden truck. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68940.htmlSLR2985 Gun carriage for a 32 pounder Model of a wooden gun carriage for a 32 pounder. It has a raised flatbed on which the gun supports slide along for running in and out when firing and loading. The whole model is finished and varnished in natural wood and is complete with various fittings for mounting and working the gun, such as a pair of trunnion clamps, eyes for the rigging to work the gun and the brass edged track to work the slide mechanism. On the underside of the truck between the sets of wheels is inscribed "32 pounder by one inch scale.". http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68886.htmlSLR2931 Carronade model Wooden carronade model and mounting with brass fittings on swivelling slide. Mahogany slide. Date made circa 1840? http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/43126.htmlNAV0914 Sea service carronade Instructional model of a sea service carronade on a sliding and pivoting wooden carriage. The gun has been cast and includes a sight, a prickhole and the mechanism for raising and lowering its elevation. It is mounted on a mahogany slide and the slide is mounted on a swivelling mahogany carriage. Both slide and carriage contain ring bolts for working the gun. The swivelling mechanism is pivoted on a rectangular piece of mahogany. At the back of the carriage, two sea service trucks allow the carriage to swivel in an arc. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68878.htmlSLR2923 Carronade, 24pdr A model of a carronade on a pivoting sea-service sliding carriage (early 19th century) made in metal and wood, possibly walnut. The gun is patinated a dark bronze finish, has a number of reinforcing rings and has an integral front sight, aft sight, pommel and vent. The elevation thread, ring bolts, trucks and the curved edging strip around the front of the mobile pedestal are brass. The mobile pedestal and the housing for the horizontal rotation axis are made in a light-coloured wood. The sliding carriage is made in a dark wood, possibly stained or patinated. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68873.htmlSLR2918 The last picture is quite interesting as it shows the sled pivoted by 180 degrees! XXXDAn

"... hot deal as the screw would just embed itself in the carrige. " That is why there is a metal plate underneath the screw. But that was my same question about the help of the wedge to ease the strain on the screw. See more here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10035-thinking-things-throu-carronade-carriages/ XXXDAn