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Thank you guys for the feedbacks and the open eyes! @ Frank: Thank you, the scissors already are working their way through the compliment :-) @ Izzy: Beches still will be hanged on the inboard side - but still missing the beam ... @ all: was the out side fixed on the hull or was it hanged too? @ Izzy and Jan: Thank you for the nice pictures of the handles. I actually decided on the wooden handles, as the rope ones were too invisible. Will be a nice detail on the show chests. Actually the pictures of Bray show plenty of chests used for people sitting around. Cheers, Daniel

This too was described by Nares Seamanship in ca. 1860. Possibly this is the source of the Victory being equipped with the left hand breech ropes. Further research did not yet find earlier sources so far. So I personally find it doubtful for the use in 1805 on Victory. Has anybody further hints? XXXDAn

Thank you all, very appreciated! And the birthday party continious. On Modellmarine, Germany´s best known daily Marine-Blog there is a short introduction into anchor handling:-) http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4238:hms-victory-ankerhandhabung-auf-einem-linienschiff-1100-von-daniel-fischer&catid=491:daniel-fischer Please find the Google translation here: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D4238:hms-victory-ankerhandhabung-auf-einem-linienschiff-1100-von-daniel-fischer%26catid%3D491:daniel-fischer&usg=ALkJrhg8ngeoPyT-nnQFrEo3I02RztiPnQ Part 2 probably on Thursday :-) Heep-Heep-Hurrayh, DAniel

Also it is a question of scale :-) Both are for larger scales. XXXDAn

Coming along nicely :-) Cheers, Daniel

"It looks quite cosy, this way." ... and dark and stifling and humid and oppressive and smelly and loud and claustrophobic and ...

Ok, time to take a seat :-) In NMM is documented, that the marines were positioned in front of the gunroom on two deckers. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/86584.html ZAZ6793 The Trafagar Companion localises them on the Vic in front of the wardroom, means the middle deck. I checked and found that if all 120 marines were positioned just there, it would fill the area up to the mainmast. As the marines were also used to keep an eye upon the sailors, I split the group and positioned half of them in font of the gunroom, so the lower deck could be observed too. And suddenly it gets packed :-) Now just missing the food, not that the good mood tilts ;-) XXXDAn

Some small thoughts about the life in between the guns. First about the personal belongings of the sailors. Classically one thinks of the sailors chests. But in clearing for action maneuvering 800 chests into the hold? Logistically not the easiest task. Masefield reports that only officers were allowed a chest, for the sailors it was just a bag/kit. A small trial shows, that only about 8 chests fit in the space but about 20 hammocks were positioned in this area ... ... so 1 man 1 chest is impossible and confirms Masefield. Also 800 bags are more easily cleared. In the empty space in between the chests still are missing some barrels of the ready to use provisions. Then the thoughts about the benches: how to store them when not in use - as contemporary drawings show them with fix legs - and where did the mess store the things of daily use? Personal conclusion is to skip the benches and use the chests for stuff of daily use and for sitting - also shown in contemporary sources. Masefield also reports that sometimes the sea bags were stowed in the orlop, possibly in the area of the carpenters walk and access being restricted to two times a day. I think could have worked for two deckers, but from breeding my own little maggots I have seen the space it takes - for my own taste a bit too much for a three decker with double the compliment. Space taken, that could otherwise been very useful especially on long voyages. That is why I decided to test fit 20 bags in the area of each mess and it is easily fitted in between the hanging knees where there are no hammocks anyway. And the stage is set :-) XXXDAn

...hihihihihihi... As a starter just something, most of you should know: http://nygeschichte.blogspot.de/2014/06/lunch-atop-skyscraper-building-search.html By the way a very interesting german site about the picture where it was taken and the story about. But back to my own roost. Then there were three ... ... seen by the german Assembly Act it already is a mob, but I needed more ... ... so knocked off some heads and limbs, twisted bodies ... ... and reassembled them. Some got some coattails ... ... and all a nice washing in 50 shades of dirty-white. And all these basically out of the three basic models :-) In the meantime my small shipyard worker and his lovely assistant were on the quest for the perfect sea chest ... ... and looks like the quest was successful by the sparkle in her eyes :-) XXXDAn

So, the public already took place ... ... and is wondering what to come ... ... and also my little seed of maggots looks like is ready to be harvested :-) Ok, let´s clean the stage up :-) XXXDAn

Here is a picture of a gun run in being loaded :-) RE: ... to Victory and beyond! ... some thought about the run out and secured guns ... RE: ... to Victory and beyond! ... and some discussion about a carronade sliding backwards: RE: Carronaden XXXDAn PS: Do not mind the preventer breeching lines on the 32 pounders as seen on todays Vic and described by Goodwin. So far the discussion did not reveal any robust prooves for it ... PPS: Anybody having an idea?

I can see the guy having finished calking and realizing that the tie is stuck within the seams ... ... as long as it keeps it watertight ;-) XXXDAn

Lovely work, please do double check the size of the entry port. I always have the feeling, that it is far too narrow on the Caldercraft kit, especially to be seen in relation with the quite large canopy! Check the plans at NMM or McKay for best reference :-) Cheers, DAniel

Keep it simple :-) #53 Great work you do. Cheers, Daniel

Happy birthday dear Vicci! Today 250 years ago, dear little Vic was taken out of the dock :-) I had the honor to prepare the laudatory speech for the german daily magazine Modellmarine.de http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4236:07-mai-1765-250-geburtstag-der-hms-victory&catid=364:jahrestag Please find here the google translation :-) https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D4236:07-mai-1765-250-geburtstag-der-hms-victory%26catid%3D364:jahrestag&usg=ALkJrhiPT4Bvw0qW2hY2O1ROJDRrkda-DQ Cheers and all the best for the future to our dear Vicci, Daniel

The trick is, that there are two rings being used: The eyebolt in the hull (usually vertical) and a ring 90° turned (usually horizontal) to which the breech or tackles are fixed ... So what do you represent? The eyebolt or the ring ;-) XXXDan

"A couple of before and after shots." "I think the modified version looks better." As I said - worth the pain! Improvements look wonderful :-) XXXDAn

This brings me back to my dilemma - all sources so far bring me back to Goodwin ... ... and my desperate search for contemporary sources. Thank you, Daniel

That is my Tic-Tac, man :-) As many countries do not know the size of different coins of other ones - they vary largely in between the countries and values - the Tic-Tac is standardized so it gives a good scale for all countries. :-) Cheers, Daniel

Nice build! XXXDAn

Some more petiteness: The salt box for the cartridges ... ... used my etch monograms and pressed them with my vice into the wood to be more leveled, nice side effect is that they became less high :-) Glued the fittings and afterwards some red paint - careful, explosive! The buckets from Master of Buckets were wooden ones from the lath with brass eyelets and copper handles, for the small ones I wanted to try something else. 2 mm poly rod, drilled open and milled out ... ... and then shaped them with a conical device pressed into it. Then cut and filled with PVC and we have a nice water bucket for the small boy, that is supposed to have a wet wipe up on all remains of powder on the floor. Then I realised - too much space - pillars were missing ... Tja und dann etwas bemerkt: Soo viel Platz war da gar nicht Mal, denn das dafi hatte in seiner großen Weitsicht noch nicht die Stützen platziert ... ... so I had to replace some of the stuff Two more shots for the subject: red salt box for the cartridge, round transport case, wad, multi purpose water bucket and a barrel with slow burning matches in case the flint lock does not work, everything as far off the guns as possible. In P. the wads are hanging in a netting in between the hammocks, I omitted that, as there was not enough space for that. XXXDAn

Thank you Druxey and wq. wq, I meant the small air scuttles on the lower Deck lids. The lid itself is clear that the lanyards were used and the inboard rings to secure the lid for seagoing. Achilles gave me in the german forum a hint to the slider, used on some of the scuttle lids on the display in Portsmouth.For some reasons do not believe it to be the original solution ... Druxey My first reaction too was some kind of bolt with rope or a rope nailed into the lid. Seeing the way the scuttles are worked on Endeavour was a hint, but it would only work to close and keep them closed by lashing it somewhere. One can push them open, but how do they stay open? Alex M brought into the game a hook, that secured into the scuttle link would allow to open, keep open, close and seal the small lid. I know this system from my grandmas windows in her very old house. But still nothing than those hints ... ... any better contemporary sources known? XXXDan

Coming along nicely .-) XXXDan

Nice build .-) Daniel

It is right, the stiches on the seams themselves usually are not visible, due to the almost same color as the cloth. What one sees is the different transparency because of the doubling of the material in these area. Looking forward for the reports on this material ! Cheers, Daniel