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Final spurt for the 1920 slice.
 
Prepared the bolts for the irons.
 

 
Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.
 

 
Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...
 

 
... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...
 

 
... and grooved.
 

 
Tried different window settings.
 

 
Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...
 

 
... got it done 🙂
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.
 
And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂
 

 
XXXDAn
 

Final spurt for the 1920 slice.
 
Prepared the bolts for the irons.
 

 
Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.
 

 
Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...
 

 
... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...
 

 
... and grooved.
 

 
Tried different window settings.
 

 
Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...
 

 
... got it done 🙂
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.
 
And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂
 

 
XXXDAn
 

Final spurt for the 1920 slice.
 
Prepared the bolts for the irons.
 

 
Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.
 

 
Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...
 

 
... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...
 

 
... and grooved.
 

 
Tried different window settings.
 

 
Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...
 

 
... got it done 🙂
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.
 
And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂
 

 
XXXDAn
 

Final spurt for the 1920 slice.
 
Prepared the bolts for the irons.
 

 
Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.
 

 
Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...
 

 
... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...
 

 
... and grooved.
 

 
Tried different window settings.
 

 
Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...
 

 
... got it done 🙂
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.
 
And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂
 

 
XXXDAn
 

Final spurt for the 1920 slice.
 
Prepared the bolts for the irons.
 

 
Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.
 

 
Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...
 

 
... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...
 

 
... and grooved.
 

 
Tried different window settings.
 

 
Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...
 

 
... got it done 🙂
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.
 
And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂
 

 
XXXDAn
 

Final spurt for the 1920 slice.
 
Prepared the bolts for the irons.
 

 
Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.
 

 
Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...
 

 
... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...
 

 
... and grooved.
 

 
Tried different window settings.
 

 
Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...
 

 
... got it done 🙂
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.
 
And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂
 

 
XXXDAn
 

Final spurt for the 1920 slice.
 
Prepared the bolts for the irons.
 

 
Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head.
 

 
Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ...
 

 
... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ...
 

 
... and grooved.
 

 
Tried different window settings.
 

 
Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ...
 

 
... got it done 🙂
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color.
 
And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂
 

 
XXXDAn
 

And then was time for some dafinition of the details.
 
Next was to put some primer to see the new rigols.
 

 
Both guns and first window - still has to be improved ...
 

 
Also the cases for the hammocks were redone.
 

 
XXXDAn

You gave the answer to your last question "... or what?" already one line up 😉

Thank you all, very appreciated all your great input!
 
XXXDAn

Thank you all for Comments and likes, very appreciated!
 
All figures are Preiser 1:100. See in earlier posts how they were made :-)
 
Somehow Fast-Food-Tinkering does not work for me somehow.
 
I already started planking the outside with poly but could not find a pattern for the width of the planks - Frustration taking over ...
 
Then I realised that as I cutted the ports "free hand - first sight" was the problem, as the planks are following - unlike the 1765 original planking - exactely the row of the ports. So considered a second (or even more look) to get things straight and realised taht all planks have more or less same width. So I took the illustrtion programm and started to push the measures until it fitted the photographs and suddenly it all worked out. 21 cm planks it was what I needed and some correction on the ports.
 

 
Also Business as usual - removing the first trial of planks :-)
 

 
New planks were cut ...
 

 
... ports newly defined ...
 

 
... cleared with plenty of blood, sweat and tears ...
 

 
.... and cut free.
 
Just see on the inside of the ports the difference to the first fit :-O
 

 
Fixed the first goodies, soon more about that :-)
 

 
And here we go, twice the same section of hull, just a bit more than 100 years of difference.
 
XXXDAn

And then was time for some dafinition of the details.
 
Next was to put some primer to see the new rigols.
 

 
Both guns and first window - still has to be improved ...
 

 
Also the cases for the hammocks were redone.
 

 
XXXDAn

And then was time for some dafinition of the details.
 
Next was to put some primer to see the new rigols.
 

 
Both guns and first window - still has to be improved ...
 

 
Also the cases for the hammocks were redone.
 

 
XXXDAn

And then was time for some dafinition of the details.
 
Next was to put some primer to see the new rigols.
 

 
Both guns and first window - still has to be improved ...
 

 
Also the cases for the hammocks were redone.
 

 
XXXDAn

Hy-ho you victorian people,
 
as requested it is my honour to present my little zoo:
 

 
As I needed a little rest from the chainplates (some more 60% of work to be done) I started to enjoy myself on the figurehead. It turned out in the details much more like an old chewing gum, as dear Derek did put it in one of his posts. 
The only usable items were the blue lion, the horse and the harpe. The other ones would not turn out successfully by just painting them. So I started to scratch off the old lionblobs - you still can see some on the upper fields ...
 

 
... I carved some new tree lions for the now empty lower left field (seen the heraldic way) and still five smaller one for the other places ...
 

 
... the bigger red one allowed even more details ...
 

 
... still adding the crown of Charlmagne and the dukes hat (Hanover wasn´t a kingdome yet) ...
... the Cherubs got their arms freed from the bodytrap as they were molded in one go ...
 

 
... and it looks a little bit more worthy, doesn´t it?
 

The crown I use is the original Heller-one - or at least more original than most of the parts I build in ;-) 
 
I did cut off the top arms, hollowed the inside of the base and thinned out the arms of the top. Like this I got an appearance that I can easily live with. As I don´t have too much footage of the top of the crown due to the angle most pictures are taken, I also do not know what to change without basing it on pure guessing.
 

 

 
To cite Derek once more "Looks like Nelsons navy also gave up with the detailed rivet counting on the 1 to 1 with the Crown of Charlegmagne." I tried to capture that special feeling and stay in the traditions by ommiting the red hearts around the blue lion - after all we still have a martial ship and not "Hello Kitty" :-)
 
But perhaps these hearts were the reason that at Trafalgar the french first lost their "contenance" and then the battle ;-)
 
Who knows ?!?
 
Beste Grüße, Daniel

Originally ...
 
... I just wanted to do fix the preventer chainplates and the deadeyes from the main channels. Everything was already prepared, I closed the uneven holes of the  Krick deadeyes and sanded them, when I realised - as it is called in newspeach - two challanges: due to the size and the convex shape of the deadeyes all the drilling helps that I planned did not work. Now I know why they are drilled the way they are :-( Secondly - as Maurice always warns - I realised, that I wouldn´t be able to clean up any more the portholes behind the deadeyes after fixing the doubling of the wall of the quarter deck.
 
Ok, let the deadeyes drop dead and do something completely different as intermezzo:
 
Red is the template to fix the new moulding symmetrically ...
 

 
... fixing bits and pieces. One knighthead from the deck is also fixed on the wall ...
 

 
... and everything in place :-).
 

 
Ok, so I can go back and play with my deadeyes ...
 
Greetings, Daniel

Thank you Blue Ensign for making me aware of the wrong position of the ancer shoes!
 
To see how much it affects the rigging of the ancer I just had a test to see if a change is nescessairy. Therefore I fixed a second shoe on the appropriate position.
 

 
The first rigging shows clearly how much the ancer is hanging to the front
 

 
The new position makes much more sense
 

 
This means amputation :-) - and I just finished painting this area!
 

 
And the fixing of a new shoe.
 

Question: Most of the literature shows the shoe with a slot for the ancer. Since the last restauration this one disappeared. Does any body has a hint about this? 
 
I also fixed the slots on the cathead.
 

 

 
 
Greetings, Daniel

It was a funny last months working and it was surprising. Here are the results of all the work: So close to each other the normal peoples eyes and yet far beyond!
 
To see and feel the differences I did some small montages. Just try to find out by yourselves, what is the old and what is the new:
 

 

 

 

 

 
And here the story was really beginning to take off,  to speak in the words of Buzz Lightyear: To HMS Victory and beyond!
 
Greetings Daniel

I retook the entry ports and reworked the steps:
 

 
The crew went happy as they got redefined toilet seats :-) No one to fall through the too big holes any more ;-)
 

 
The beakhaed grating got its supporting structure following the frames plan and the small slides are implemented to save the gammoning from the sailors shi..... ;-)
 

 
The stem got the splitlines of the single parts that it was composed from. Impossible with the once horizontal woodstructure ;-)
 

 
And the entry ports got some facimilie paneling painting
 

 
 
And finally I was able to redo the painting. Hallelulja!
 

 

 

 
And finally the overview that looks on the first look so much like 6 month ago!
 

As I already damaged the original painting it was  no more thinking as I discoverd the following: The stern ports are far too high and went straight into the deck framing. On top of it the original flow of the stern planking looked strange on the model.
 
So I decided to put the ports lower and also to lower the moulding for about 3 mm.
 

 
On the left the new position, right the delivered one. For the moulding I used wood profiled with a shaped razor blade. It made a tremendous difference onto the now gracious lines of the stern!
 
Once on the go I looked at the window glazing bars that look quite like Alcatraz: No escape possible! As we know they were not part of the structural integrety of the stern and the galleries I made some tests in filing them down, what worked unexpectedly easily. I use a small file of about 1£ and sanded away the sides untill the width was about 1 mm. One has simpely to work without pressure: No pressure from the file onto the part and no presure from the mind onto the "Oh I have to finish soon!"! The thickness was alternately reduced by scraping carefully with the back of a old scalpel. The with is now about 3 to 5 tenth/mm
 
The file is to be seen on the far left:
 

 
The results were amazing! Here are some stages:
 

 
Not all windows done yet for comparisson. A detail that is difficult to see on the picture: on the lowest row of windows, the windows of the cabin have the lower 2/3rds steped back for the sliding mechanism.
 

 
and before and after:
 

 
And in sitiu
 

 

 
The glazing is made of transparent foil for overhaed projector presentations. Works well!
 
Warning: There will be soon posted some questions about the stern in stern section thread :-)

I was about to begin the coppering, when I got suddenly fed up with the omnipresent woodgrain imitation and my old painting efforts. Decision was taken on the second and the Proxxon pen sander started to do his job. Everybody called me crazy! They were right ;-)
 
When I bought the model I loved the structure, as it realllllllly looked like wood to me; At least at the start. But then I got more and more irritated about it. Just look at the real thing: any wood structure to be seen apart from the lower gundeck? And plenty of people already complained for as long as I remember about the overdone structures, but actually I never saw a picture of a model with sanded down surfaces. OK, today I know why, as it was a hell of a job as I was not able to remove all of the applications that were already fixed. 
 
But once this step taken it opened up a whole new world, as all parts were now subject of rethinking and redoing – no more prisoners :-)
 
The poor lady looked a little bit wrecked in the meantime
 

 

 
What a pityful appearence! My god, I got bashed by the other ones in the forums ...
 
:-o

So let the story unfold :-)
 
First of all is a good research, changes are based on the usual suspects: "HMS Victory" from Alan McGowan," The 100-Gun Ship Victory (Anatomy of the Ship Series") by John McKay and lots more books. I had three visits on the ship, one guided tour with a handsome officer who had to answer all my curious questions: poor bloke ;-)
 
Therefore I have tons of pictures in the various stages of the presentation of the ship: sterndavits yes-no, namesign with cartouche and without, hammok nettings natural or black, chainplates yellow-black and pure black and so on ...
 
I tend not to be a rivet counter and take my artistic freedom on what I call "my" interpretation of the model, but I usually try to research facts as best as I can and be able to relate onto reliable sources.
 
But you know it is easy to build a Victory that is close to the original: one just has to know what day, best to know the hour as things sometimes change fast ... 
 
The changes of the pre 2008 period were:
 
Side entry and first version of the steps
 

 
The painting was done with Humbrol/Revell and not really cleand up yet.
 
To get even distance I used a Dremel in a stand with a 1 mm milling cutter
 

 
The painting was done with Revell/Humbrol but not cleand up yet. Then came a break that I took to reconsider a lot of details.

Once upon a time ...
 
Better saying in 2002 I started my Victory as a side project to my Soleil Royal. The next years I finished painting the sides, fixed the Stern and the galleries fixed the lower gundeck and worked on the side entry ports an the steps – even though I personally believe they weren´t there at Trafalgar, it is s toooooo nice detail to skip :-) Also fixed plenty of small details that I will still show here.
 
Came start of end of 2008 and I got my Soleil mostly finished and – more important – got my working space right. and this is where the craziness startet. So please give me  some time to slowly catch up and put you up to the story:
 
This was the state in end of 2008:
 

 
This is the state a mere 2 years later.
 

 
And now in 2013 ... still working on the lower deck ...
 




 
What happend before, in between and what is still to come will be part of this story ...
 
 
Greetings Daniel

You gave the answer to your last question "... or what?" already one line up 😉

Thank you all, very appreciated all your great input!
 
XXXDAn

Thank you Druxey. Also he simply did not bother about the facts, just see the "Fighting Temeraire" on her last journey, masts still up. 
 
But anywhere we had a great discussion on our german forum about his work concerning the Vic. Highly interesting. Those who are inscribed to our forum see here:
HMS Victory - Spurensuche
https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t7001f1475-HMS-Victory-nach-Trafalgar-ein-letzter-Zeuge.html
https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t6980f1475-Turners-Deckszeichnungen-der-Victory-reloaded.html#msg152838
https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t5671f1475-William-Turner-quot-The-Victory-From-Quarterdeck-to-Poop-quot.html
 
Please find the translate button on the left bottom corner 🙂 
 
XXXDAn

 
 

Thank you all for Comments and likes, very appreciated!
 
All figures are Preiser 1:100. See in earlier posts how they were made :-)
 
Somehow Fast-Food-Tinkering does not work for me somehow.
 
I already started planking the outside with poly but could not find a pattern for the width of the planks - Frustration taking over ...
 
Then I realised that as I cutted the ports "free hand - first sight" was the problem, as the planks are following - unlike the 1765 original planking - exactely the row of the ports. So considered a second (or even more look) to get things straight and realised taht all planks have more or less same width. So I took the illustrtion programm and started to push the measures until it fitted the photographs and suddenly it all worked out. 21 cm planks it was what I needed and some correction on the ports.
 

 
Also Business as usual - removing the first trial of planks :-)
 

 
New planks were cut ...
 

 
... ports newly defined ...
 

 
... cleared with plenty of blood, sweat and tears ...
 

 
.... and cut free.
 
Just see on the inside of the ports the difference to the first fit :-O
 

 
Fixed the first goodies, soon more about that :-)
 

 
And here we go, twice the same section of hull, just a bit more than 100 years of difference.
 
XXXDAn