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Channels. I had to measure their width so that the ropes would not rub against the railing, because what is painted in the plan does not agree.
 

 
Channels secured with steel pegs..
 

 

 

 

 

 
So far dry..
 

 

 

 
 

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Channels. I had to measure their width so that the ropes would not rub against the railing, because what is painted in the plan does not agree.
 

 
Channels secured with steel pegs..
 

 

 

 

 

 
So far dry..
 

 

 

 
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

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Channels. I had to measure their width so that the ropes would not rub against the railing, because what is painted in the plan does not agree.
 

 
Channels secured with steel pegs..
 

 

 

 

 

 
So far dry..
 

 

 

 
 

Thank you for like!
 
Channels. I had to measure their width so that the ropes would not rub against the railing, because what is painted in the plan does not agree.
 

 
Channels secured with steel pegs..
 

 

 

 

 

 
So far dry..
 

 

 

 
 

Thank you for like!
 
Channels. I had to measure their width so that the ropes would not rub against the railing, because what is painted in the plan does not agree.
 

 
Channels secured with steel pegs..
 

 

 

 

 

 
So far dry..
 

 

 

 
 

Hi Guys,
 
Not much inspiration today... so just a small update 🙃
 
So far mizzen and main mast are done with shrouds and lanyards.
Just one more to go... foremast.
 
Few quick photos.
 
Single shroud and my way of making eye.
I'm cutting end of served rope at angle and forming an eye.
One drop of CA to keep this in desire shape and hand made serving over the glue point.
 

 

 
 
Main mast head with laid sequence of tackles and shrouds.
 

 
 
...and quick shoot on channel with lanyards.
 

 
 
Cheers,
Matt

Hi All,
 
I have some update on my build.
Rigging situation is slowly progressing
 
Shrouds are done. Obviously ratlines are still missing, but they will be rigged when all standing rigging will be done and only after final tension adjustments.
Next step was to place my hands on stays.
First... mizzen mast stay, then main mast and fore mast.
 
You might notice one "shortcut" on the stays.
Mouse... it's not 100% accurate. I was planing to do vertical threading and horizontal daring to achieve well known basket weave covering of the mouse, however I was kind of unhappy with the result and look. Especially on mizzen where mouse is quite small (also on the main topmast and fore topmast stays) . Main mast and fore mast stays are noticeably thicker and mouses are bigger so it was easier to achieve desire covering. 
...but then I've ended up with two different covering on the mouses. I've decided to match the look of bigger mouses to smaller. 
That is why I've done just simple serving on the mouses using ~0,18mm rope.
Compromise, which I'm not proud of 
...but in the end looks ok... I guess 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
Also due to the thickness of mainmast and foremast stays it was necessary to do worming on them to fill the groves for serving... otherwise surface of served rope become very uneven.
 

 
 
For smaller diameter ropes I'm serving rope without worming.
 

 

Dear Jules,
Interpreting written sources is always dangerous. I don't have to remind you of the numerous deaths of people who were victim of different interpretations of religious written sources. The nasty reason is that people tend to select the interpretation that suits them best and completely ignore different signals.  A nice example is the Witsen drawing you show in #159 (V), where the bottom is planked and the bilge is not (yet). The next drawing in line is the one I showed in #155 (X), where the bilge is planked and an angle does show up. That's pure logic: before a shipbuilder starts planking, he flattens the frames to give the plank a solid landing, as you can see here on this picture, taken at the Statenjacht Utrecht shipyard:

 
I did not write Witsen's book, I am only comparing it to wreck finds and experiments with models and replicas and over and over again Witsen proved to be a trustful source. If you don't agree with my conclusions, that is alright with me. You are completely free to choose your own interpretations. Better even: write them down and publish them. Different ideas are often useful.  The only hesitation I have with your perseverance is a suspicion that you don't want to be convinced. I remember a former sort like discussion, in which you came into a forum as a fresh new member, stating that you had proof of 17th century Dutch shipbuilders designing their ships on paper, referring to a painting by Rembrandt. All the evidence of the contrary was denied and the discussion ended in a chaos. I am afraid this is a repetition. 
Again, I don't care if you think differently than I do on some matters. You are free to do so as you are also free to make your beliefs public. I don't feel attacked, but please stop bothering me, more or less demanding to agree with you in matters where we think differently. We are here to enjoy our hobby and some people like to hear opinions about the roots of the full-size industry. I pass through what I think I know (which is in fact very little) and if you have problems with what I say, I deeply apologize. Life is complicated enough without useless discussions.
Again I wish you all the best with your model of de Gouden Leeuw. Maybe you should post your work here. That would give a good basis for discussion. Better than this one, I'm afraid.
Best,
Ab
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

Well-meaning criticism is appropriate, from a person with your experience, Ab is beneficial.
I know from the beginning that the plan of this ship is not good, the authors drew from more sources.
The pins in the side railing of Dutch ships can be seen in the pictures, I found a debate on the Czech forum and there the most detailed picture of a Dutch warship - EENDRACHT from 1655 by van de Velde, he has pins in the railing.

 
Another warship..
 


So the small possibility of placing them on warships was possible !?
 
The Dutch double deck according to the model in the book Der Hollandische Zweidecker von 1660-1670 by Heinrich Winter also has pins in the railing, here this model by Alexander Bielov..
 

 
I build the model as competitive, here the main consideration is the agreement with the plan, every change must be documented. So I'm looking for historical data..

I appreciate your words Hubacs and Oliver
 
Finished railing of the poop deck..
 

 

 

 
Drilled all holes for pins in the side railing..
 

 


 
Can I have a question about Ab Hoving?
I'm looking for information on other ties that are not on the plan. Can I use the inner railing as on other models?
 

 
Or Pin Rail on the inside? What is historically more faithful? Thank you.
 

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So I finished the front deck railing..
 

 

 

 

 

 

 
At the stern are the finished pillar rails of the poop deck..
 

 

 

 

I continue to install the railing posts. Some parts are drilled at an angle by tilting the boat with a stand ..
 

 

 

 

 

 
And I created a sailor figure to measure the equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

Greetings and thank you Radek.  I won't find out on the plan sheets, everyone shows a different dimension ...⁉️
 

 

 
I made a compromise, 7 mm wide, which is 42 cm in fact, which could be .. 🙄

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Building models according to plan or their historical accuracy is a dilemma that every builder must face. Fortunately, nowadays there are already enough quality plans.
 
I waxed the railing, covered the part where there would be other equipment..
 

 

 

 

 

 
There really isn't room for a Pin Rail on the aft deck on this plan..
 

 
Preparation for channels..
 

With vertical  frames, it's possible to draw floating line as reference, and that's I preview :
 

 

Welcome everyone,

some time ago I started to build a model of the "Meermann" ship, which took part in the Battle of Oliwa in 1627. The battle was not big when we compare it to great clashes of great maritime powers, but for Poland at that time it had a huge political and propaganda dimension. Because here "... the traders from Danzig defeated one of the strongest fleets - Sweden ..." as the angry king of Sweden reportedly said. The dynastic war with Sweden, in which the Republic of Poland got involved, led to the Swedish capture of part of the Polish coast and the sea blockade of Gdańsk. Partially built in Gdansk, partially bought (mainly from the Netherlands), the Polish fleet, emerging from the morning mists, attacked the "sleeping" Swedish ships standing in the roadstead of Gdansk. The Poles captured the Swedish "Tigern" and caused an explosion on "Solen" which sank. The Swedes withdrew, that's the whole battle.

Unfortunately, there are not many sources regarding the construction of these ships, so we can only use "standard" solutions from that period. Since my English is not so perfect that I could write passionately about dilemmas during the reconstruction, I will stick to some of the most important facts and a few "blank spots" to which Polish historians and researchers have not found an answer so far.
The dimensions of the ship are known with some assumption that all mistakes were detected in the main source, ie "Wismar inventory" (after the Battle of Oliwa, the Polish fleet was handed over to the Catholic Habsburg League and anchored in Wismar). There is no original document, only the original copy, in which the copyist's mistakes were found. Also the weapons and equipment are known from the above list. Unfortunately, there are no construction documents or documents confirming the purchase of ships. Certainly, part of the fleet was bought because two shipyards (in Gdańsk and Puck) could not build so many ships in such a short time. There is also no information about which ships were bought and which were built, they appear a bit like a "rabbit out of a hat".
The Scot James Murray was responsible for the creation of the Polish fleet, which for many historians is tantamount to the statement that they were English-style ships. But the empty royal treasury (which probably lasts to this day :-))) allows you to suspect that maybe it was built in the Dutch style, which was much cheaper and faster than the English method. Besides, some of the ships that were part of the Polish young fleet were bought from the Dutch. There are many such unresolved dilemmas for each ship.
I am familiar with four images depicting this event, but they differ drastically and, as recently noticed, are partially copies of other earlier images. The mere fact of "piracy" in painting is not surprising, but it reduces the credibility of such works.

Searching for answers is hampered by the multitude of myths that cling to the Battle of Oliwa. Around 1950, the plans of "Meermann" were created, which in fact are a modification of the plans of the "Rotter Lowe", with anachronistic geometric patterns in white and red on the sides. It seems to me that at that time only Hansa ships had decorations of this type. By the way, the red and white colors became the national colors of Poland in 1792. Such a form of "Meerman" caught on in the mentality of even researchers who reproduced these and other errors. In the mindset of many Poles, this battle took the form of not a historical event, but a legend.

Because I love the Dutch fleet and ships from Oliwa could be like that, I decided to base my work on typical lines of Dutch ships from that period, because for sure there were masters from the Netherlands, in the Gdańsk shipyard. And probably I was right, because I had to introduce a few changes to make the dimensions taken from the "Wismar inventory" match the ones I have. This applies not only to the distance between decks, width and length, but also to the draft, which turned out to be almost identical.

So the hull was built.
1 mm cardboard frames. Simplified gun carriages inserted on one side.


 
The first cover stiffening the structure:

...then I glued the seccond layer, horizontal, made of 0,5 mm cardboard...


On the hull prepared in this way I added final layer with printed planks...



Step by step I glued wales and finished th bulwarks...


I also glued a "sloep" - a boat that will be amidships.



Now I can say that the hull is ready for more details and setting masts and rigging...





Best regards
Tomek

Henry, you're doing a bang up job on cleaning up the model. A difference between night and day of the cannon in picture #3 and the cannons cleaned up and stationed on deck in photo #8. Little detains are starting to show as in photo #9. 
 
 It might be easier to order two cannon barrels (provided you can locate the same size and type) and cheaper time wise from a supplier, Cornwall Model Boats comes to mind. https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk. If nothing else it's fun going through their offerings of parts. They carry belaying pins, blocks, cannon barrels, and many many more items. I have no motive in promoting CMB other than they are a good supplier, I speak from personal experience. 
 
 Keep up the good work.......KB