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https://digitaltmuseum.no/011024193055/modell-av-fartoy This model looks like it got it right to me except they were later put over/outside the railing. -
I thought they might be for a while but the davits are just in the wrong place and moving them would have been very difficult. Anyway, this shot shows the aft starboard guy just wraps over the rail and attaches somewhere down the side of the cabin ??? Not a stanchion, not the davit. The forward one I think does the same but attaches to the chain plate. Maybe. I would say further forward, starboard side of the forward binnacle? Crane jib? But yes. Edit: This shot shows no sign of them running down the side so I guess they go to the top of the side of the cabin.
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In Windows for the L121, when the print dialogue box comes up click on the 'more options' tab, select 'Reduce/Enlarge Document and set the 'Zoom to' percentage (jeeeeeze, whats with Epson, everybody else calls it the scale).
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Tom, it looks like after the kennels were fitted the guys were attached to the top of stanchions so as to clear the kennels.
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Looks good to me.
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The Roaring Forties was only the start, you could try your luck further south in the Raging Fifties or even the Screaming Sixties. Along the edge of the Roaring Forties was pretty much the standard route. Fortunately for those aboard Lapwing she turned north to Adelaide long before reaching King Island or Victoria's south coast. The Loch Ard is well remembered, the gorge she foundered off is name after her (it's the one with the big car park).
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They finished up with only one paying passenger plus the owners family (wife and two daughters) and two servants (this is from newspaper articles and the servants may actually have been the daughters). They were heading out for the Gold Rush so possibly had a full (free?) crew. I don't actually have any info from my Great grandfather but again from newspaper reports (passing ships took mail and messages and reported sightings, whoever reached port first let them know who was coming and vaguely when to expect them) it was London to Cape Verde then probably Cape Town via the Brazilian coast, then on to Adelaide or Adelaide direct (I think Cape Town). Roughly 14,500 nautical miles in a boat that fits comfortably in my cousins front yard ( a 1 acre block, ~100' wide). No idea but probably. Supposedly Bramble just going in to Brisbane:
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Doh! I even have that in the file name, I blame the migraines. 😩
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Yes it's an exciting image, probably more so for me as I can (and did this morning) visualise my Great grandfather on board. I don't remember why I thought she was the 1778 Kite, perhaps I mixed up dates in my head, but that extra row of planking above the gun ports makes her more likely to be post the very early 1800s. Given the painting is dates ca1850 it is possible the artist as a boy knew Lapwings sister and remembered her fondly. There are discrepancies, the companionway faces aft and the wc and pantry are missing but she carries the right number of guns (well gun ports, she probably didn't carry a full compliment of guns) in the right places. He may have used Lapwing as a model as she was still around at the time of the painting but made changes based on boyhood memories, who knows. Looking at the painting itself, she's running downwind with both the main and square sail set, that would be wrong, she would be unbalanced with the main trying to turn her to port. Look at the helmsman, he's heaving on the tiller trying to keep her on course. The artist understands, this is a chase, every fraction of a knot counts. As you said, an exciting picture. So, yes this could be Lapwings sister, Speedys aunt.
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Tim, don't forget the pumps. I had a little play with ideas when you first posted your little cutters little cutter. I came up with ZAZ6347 (Vigilant) which has light pencil lines representing boats each side of the main hatch. Now Vigilant was a little larger making this more practical but I drew 18' (port) and 16' (stb) cutters on Lapwing:
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Ah, a CrazyCutter ™ MkI-L, looks like it does the job
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As they decked over the bridge deck openings the four forward ladders became redundant. It would appear one was cut down and used to get over the top of the kennels, another had a couple of upper treads removed and used port side aft probably because the amount of stores along the centreline prevented previous access from the starboard ladder unless you went all the way up to the mainmast and back. Just a guess.
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Me too, anyway that's a nice little cutter for your nice little cutter.
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Correct, outside the galley door. Again correct.
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Ship Ribbing with CAD?
iMustBeCrazy replied to Sanjith_D's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Well, you can follow my bumbling path through the links in my sig with the Lapwing drawings and build (to date) but I seriously suggest you start with something simpler than a Frigate, say a dinghy, skiff, dory etc. in 1:24 or 1:16 Meanwhile look for Frigate drawings you like in the best quality you can find, perhaps the Enterprize class, many nice big drawings: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=rmg+enterprize&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image&fileres=>1000 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=rmg+rose+plan+-chart+-painting&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image&fileres=>1000 -
Mike, I've always seen the dog kennels as recycled packing crates, pretty rough and ready. Built in sections of 3 and 4 dogs, sometimes the gap between two sections is roofed over for an extra dog. Probably 1/2 inch planks roughly sawn to length, butt jointed (I think that shingled look is just warped planks). Those forward seem rougher than the rest, possibly they used the best material aft? The 'Bovril' shot probably the best guide to their construction.
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It is indeed. Dan, here's a few more clues: https://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/mitglieder/modelle/roemerschiff-victoria/ https://roemerschiffe.de/victoria/ Looking at the last shot I see the midships moulds look to be arcs and the other moulds use the same arc rotated. Taking the above and adding it to This: Gives: Certainly not 100% right but perhaps 90%? It doesn't include the bow or stern either.
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A screenshot:
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Next two counter timbers done. Also some planking, a wale, the counter and stern roughly mocked up. I think the counter is going to need a slight curve on the sides.
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Brain fade. 2' tall in the middle, 4' x 4' square, 2 windows each side, hinged centre panel in the roof either side. Azimuth compass a couple of feet forward of it (not shown in this pic), binnacle forward of that.
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A tiny update representing a lot of head bashing. The inner pair of counter timbers: I had to remove 'deck beam' 18 to get them in, all six will be attached to it before being installed as an assembly. I thought I had the outer counter timbers worked out (several times) but I think I'll have to give up and do them in multiple pieces like Chuck did Cheerful.
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I think this is all I've got. The photo seems to confirm the sketch in that it shows the top glass is very steep (behind the guy's legs on the right).
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Greg, A few more thoughts, No glue, just press fit. Or at worst a tiny dab of PVA on exposed surfaces that can be chiselled off later. 1/4" dowel stepping down at the ends. Perhaps in segments with couplers, slide the coupler along and the dowel is 'cut'. You could cut the disks with side cutters/wire cutters to remove them. Some thin C.A. into the end grains before boring should give a smoother hole.
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I haven't fully thought this out but perhaps bore out these disks to take a shaft for alignment? Then your supports could support the shaft and be standardised, some fixed to a base some moveable to wherever you're working.
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Thanks Tony. Biggest worry at the moment (apart from everything else) is the MDF bulwarks, I have to fair one side unsupported so that I can plank or line them so they are supported to fair the other 🤷♂️
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