Vladimir_Wairoa

Some golden glow ..😃

Good day. 

Some progress still going  on ornamentals as I had to order and wait for thinnest brush available, 000. Its hair point. I think i finally found satisfactory way (ať least fór me how to tackle the thing. What do You say? I dont have firmest hand in the world though...

I Will add third mold strake below. Thick substance of golden color Made IT stand out from black surface. 

On 9/5/2021 at 9:41 PM, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, first, I love the selection of pearl you chose. It offsets the white very nicely. Just remember all flat areas are supposed to be pearl and raised surfaces white. The decking subflooring, like Rob already said is perfect. I'm sure it will look amazing when the deck overlay is added. 

The printed carved Naval Hoods and Carved Arch look really sharp too. I can't wait to see these areas gilded, it's going to be stunning. If it helps, the double molding at top is slightly thinner than the triple ones below. To make it interesting, the upper two moldings themselves are slightly thicker. Meanwhile all three lower ones are skinnier. The 1911 starboard bow scene shows this area perfectly. Good luck!

Thanks Rich, All notes its stillwork in progress so its not final look yet. V. 

3 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Well I went against my own judgment and I opted to go ahead and finish up the aft railing.  
 

I will add the iron bar rail at the head  next.  I got called away.  
 

Rob

oh thats amazing Rob! 

2 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Great job Vlad...but I hate to point out this but the trim on the hood is double lobe on the top and triple lobe on the bottom. The top trim matches the trim of the plankshear.

 

Love your sub-deck work..wonderful.

 

Rob

 thanks Rob. hell  i knew someone will catch that !  great observation. lets see if i can squeeze 3 grooves in bottom mold on stbd side. 

25 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir, FINALLY! After over 12 long years of intense, careful research, I have produced what I consider my finest print of Donald McKay's1869 Medium Clipper "GLORY of the SEAS" hull. Is it perfect? Certainly not but I've come to accept that nothing in life truly is. But there's also this thing in life called the "relentless pursuit of perfection" in which nothing is ever truly finished. I will say this. Every possible, quantifiable, measurable property has been meticulously reproduced in the exacting scale of 1:96th (1/8th inch = 1 foot) identical to Rob's model in production now.

The first print Staples did is more clear than this but some of the lighter work was barely visible. It also has a future copywrite date by mistake. This image produced by Staples has been darkened more than the first, which has advantages and drawbacks. All elements are now clearly visible but it blurs out the delicate work around the Bow. I'm mailing out both prints to Michael Mjelde in duplicate so he can forward copies to his Shipwright buddy Ron Haug for his evaluation. I have printed enough copies to share one of each with Rob and Vladimir, just PM me your addresses. While this is about a 43" long print, it's actually not terribly tall and will fit easily into a mailing tube. I can also email the pdf & jpg images as well.

congratulationsRich. im really impress. i will vet it framed and hang in my room. V. 

Hello. I Made false deck & masts holders & started navalhoods and co. In reality its in scale small even fór laser cut so I abandoned idea and painted IT around template. 

Only started yet...thank you fór viewing etc...

Amazing guys. The thing is, how to translate those beauties into scale. Even in 1:72 scale its such small that its impossible to mimic it. 

Two things to add. Foundation of the xarriagehouse od definitely bigger than on svetoch. Its visible by comparing roof thickness and foundation thickness Up to the Doors from photographs starting from deck level ...

And second, i must say how i like hand drawing of Rich - far more than any computer Vector programes.there IS something really charming and alive in drafting by hand , that zeroes and ones never match. I Can imagine IT urges one to Rush to the carpenter to make those things out of Wood. ...

I think also this would be very unnatural for carpenters to finish window frame in very top of panel thus not being able to insert windows wooden frame into panel !  as upper panel is of totally different construction - roof panel . i would claim is should be littel lower endidng window , I hope you take it as part of fruitful collaboration. its fantastic anyway.Vlad

Rich, as much I love your second draw on details - i see you updated roof layers to brilliant outcome -   I immediately felt something  disturbingly different is on it and I dont think updated windows design is better , on contrary. i would say it follows doors curvature...and angles sharply as on first sketch...although there is shade on upper aprt on photograph .it can be spotted in window glass reflection of the boat. very upper corner can be seen....is there any clue that led you to redisigning windows top curvature to  round profile? It would be natural to keep same shape also on doors insertion etc...   

7 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Fantastic job your paint work is spot on it’s beautiful, took a lot of time I’m sure, steady hands.

 

Rob

Thanks Rob, exactly as you wrote. its was reall slog, impossible to cover by tapes, just slow and precise brush strokes..im so glad its over . 3 days. 3 more greish hair on my head :)) 

Rob, Rich, lovely updates indeed. thanks.  That building view gives me enough headache to think how to incorporate those details into reality...:) 

wow, that black toprail is extremely exciting...

Few photos of painted glory. ...

I couldnt paint bulwarks pearl as i would ruín IT. So u leaved monkey rail pearl only. I like the single contrast. Its probably a bit on beige side but color dried stronger than wet  mix.  Painting already assembled pieces IS recipe fór disaster  or pain. So much pain. I did my hardest to Keep IT clean

building Up multiple thin layers...apology fór many pics i tried to see various overall feel and details ...still some places to finish...i still see some uneven blotches inside bulwarlks between columns... its very difficult to get brush inthere...hopefully one aldt coat there....

Thanks for any input etc...V. 

19 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, When it comes to highlighting "big, big rectangle windows" you're going to be disappointed. Other than her two large approximately 6' skylights in her rear house, all other windows on Glory are on the small side. In a 45' space on the sides, it appears the few windows are tiny, about 1' wide each. That's deliberate, in order to minimize potential for water from heavy seas entering inside her dwelling areas. The same goes for doors. You'd think in a 24' house, doors would be at least 3' but from what I can tell, they were 2'. 

Its tremendous help Rich, your contribution. Pretty Near convenient fór modelmaking I myself just také screenshot of IT scale it to my measures and i Can start making outline and paneling...

From the photofraph IT looks to me that Windows follows profile are not truly square but curved deck ríše towards center line  structure from both sides what do You think? 

5 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob & Vladimir, here's my preliminary sketch of the somewhat ornate front face of Glory's rear 'Carriage' house with her upper turned stanchion rails. MacLean's stats say this house was 45' long x 24' wide × 8' high. Pictures show the house had a roughly 3' overhang. Contrary to expectations, the turned stanchions are not strictly verticle, nor all evenly spaced. It appears the 3 central stanchions were 2 & 1/2' apart, the remaining 6 on either side were 2 & 3/4' apart and the last 2 were 1 & 1/2 feet apart, for a total of 12 stanchions in all. 

The 4 windows appear to be 1 & 1/2' wide and both door seem to be sliding, not pivoting and are only 2' wide each. The left side slid out towards the left (as can be seen in this photo. I would expect the opposite door would slide out to the right. 

At the base is a double molding, the lowest appears to be painted blue, the upper would most likely be white, being a raised surface. All recessed areas would have been pearl and highlights white. 

The left side of my sketch is inaccurate, done before I realized how truly narrow the windows and doors really were. 

So to make things easier, I cropped the right side & flipped it to create a corresponding identical left one. 

This is excellent Rich, brilliant ! those numbers are huge value for us. 

for the most part of the build i was looking forward most for this chapter. 

i want to highlight big big rectangle windows that remings more of a country or town house than vessel. so much light in an it must have been something. ! 

one tiny remark from me, i guess you little simplified roof layering - good fro 1:96 indeed to three even pieces itsa bit more compex and beautiful grooves there . probably not possible for Rob to recreate it...anyway thanks a lot Rich. 

12 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Beautifully done. Nice sheen.   She is a true replica.

 

Great job Vlad.

 

Rob

Thank you Rob. im glad it apeals. im cautious of painting as its easiest way how to ruin it all....learnt from experience.

Moment od Truth. 

Im  forever apprentice in this business. Painting mg IS my nightmare...

Will only highlight everything. Glue, sandingscrapes,  holes , etc..This IS as far as i was able to to...used fiebing  dye made  in USA and i mušt say this Will be my only thing from now. 

Im becoming more critical to my work so i dont like visible imperfections. But I built her with speed & those corections  in mind...fillers of holes etc...

I like very deep mat black with tiny touch of Satin to give IT a little Spark. 

Thanks for viewing ,any comment etc....

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, what you've illustrated would be correct, as far as I can tell. All flat surfaces would have been pearl and all raised ones would have been white. There had to be enough of a difference in contrast to justify the added investment. Donald McKay's Clippers and even his Packets were all renowned for their top of the line quality, both of craftsmanship and ship's fittings. After all, Donald McKay was the main American contributor to the British James Baines Line, supplying 4 principal vessels to his franchise. 

Before British Regulars embarked to India to suppress a revolt, Queen Victoria paid a Royal visit to the vessels "James Baines" and "Champion of the Seas." She's known to have marveled that the British Empire had such magnificent vessels.

Thanks Rich, tomorrow IS the day

4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Vlad...is that printed on the wood?  the caulking seams and treenails are extremely neat and clean...for sucha grainy wood?

 

Rob

Rob, yes its deep printed on 0.2 mm oak veneer, underglued with thin protective foil. Its what i used fór 1/96 cutty sark. I Will have to cut off ofv these so i Will see how IT goes....

i like what Crothers weites abot colors... interesting read...

some excrepts: MacLean describing flying fish remarked that "her hull is balck outside...a color peculiar to clippers and the clergy"....

...first, to state it in oversimplified fashion, balck is black. This is very true until one black is compared side by side with another, in some cases difference almost amounts to two different colors. in paints of the period, lampblack was standart pigment used in the mixing of black paint. very consistent deep one value hue. . 

another advantage was that no mixing of pigments was required to achieve desired value. ...

..."combine one pound lamp black mixed for paint, one pound red lead, one gallon paint oil, half poznd litharge, and half an ounce of indigo boiled for half an hour, and stirred at intervals. Care should be taken that the composition boils that length of time. after it has cooled a little, add one pint of spirits of turpentine; apply when warm, and it will dry in a short time with a beautiful gloss and be perfectly limber...

black of itself is not a color to excite ones interest...however its aplication to the hull of a clipper ship resulted in grand silhouette when viewed against a backdrop of sea or sky. Capt Clark made a point commenting on the stately beauty of the American clipper fleet as it lay at anchor in the harbor of Hong Kong during the autumn of 1858. 

.......

oh my, i wish i could travel back in time...! 

This IS what IT looks like ..

Rob, Rich, 

did i get it right?  

if not dont bother with me anymore looks like there is one person quite dump ! 

blue - white ( i typo ***** but corrected :D) ! except waterways very below that blue of course 

red- pearl 

by the way i ordered beautiful deck from friend from czech republic who gave me 60 percent discount ! who does this in this times ? :)) i will post a hint! 

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, frames or futtocks would have been painted white (relieved with white) to me the pearl shade would be all the flat surfaces not including blue waterways.

huh im starting to loose ground im clearly not educated in nautical "terminology of this sort" what relieve means etc.... glad to have you folks. so that means that futtocks are white not pearl? started to be a bit colorful than. pla nks behind frames pearl columns white interesting. im thankful and i would rather ask before. 

is stanchion white and surrounding pearl? thank you. aV. sorry if i got you wrong. or did you mean inner futtocks and these are nto extensions but stanchions inserted in ? 

6 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

  Vladimir a while ago I was curious as to exactly what "pearl" color would have looked like in the 1850s & 60s. A Google search for that era pearl resulted in this shade which I think is a good match.

yes i suspected that kind of ivory. will go for that kind of dubtle shade and i will post samples prior painting a i dont want to face comments like - go again Vlad .