Vladimir_Wairoa

very nice George. 

5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Yeah....I agree.  Just because I'm some sorta rabid energizer twitchy squirrel who only knows how to work at *Ludicrous Speed*, no need to feel compelled to try and keep pace.  No body deserves that kinda pressure.  Real or imagined.

Heading into winter, means more time inside.

You're exactly where you need to be.  Painting (In the fashion you described) and coppering will fill your days.

 

Rob

no worries Folks, i know myself i rather dont work when I feel i have enough or i dont feel enjoyment of it. When there is something to post i will but its clear that i wanted to complete hull in one pace of intensive work  which was done so i will be slow from now on. if not i would have worked on itfor months. its also clear there is muxh more tedious work by nature of built process i follow and size as Rob has to endure so im not trying to keep with Rob in any means. things are moving on slower or faster depends on mood. i will have less time now sure. but everythings fine   yes painting and copper plates, and stern decorative rail will be what i will try to finish up to end of year.   

6 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir from what I can tell, the entire sheerline is black. As I've said before, only from her 1869 PEM scene of GLORY on the Ways, it does appear like the carved arch work of the Naval Hoods could be gold embellished, which would echo that of the carved arch on the Cutwater below. 

If you decide to get your figurehead 3D printed, remind them that there's an actual hole created between 'Athene' herself and her flowing toga behind her. It's clearly visible in the Port view. While subtile it's also there in the Starboard one. Most dramatic is the Port silhouette I shared earlier today with Rob.

Thanks Rich. much apreciated. im noway near to 3 D printing her. id have to 3d draw her first myself - i would not pay for it. looks likeley in winter time when i have more time sitting behind pc.   

Joy to watch Rob.  

im going to do as you wrote. small bits and goals. step by step. 

V. 

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Vlad, you have to do what you have to do. Make what you need to make not what other people think you have to make or what they want you to make. The top Gallant rail looks really good there at the forecastle,  I was wondering are you going to continue on down the full length of the hull? 

So many details it’s almost mindnumbing.

 

Apart from the laser cut bulkhead you provided me I will not be doing any other laser work , all handwork on my model.

I can’t wait to see the laser cut scroll work.

 

Great job,  love your model. 
 

Rob

Rob thanks for your opinion. it helped down the road. Well if its solid all the way down i ll do it. i started preparing some other works but i forgot few. 

I seriously think i will not mast or rig her, only hint of mast sticking in. at this scale its hust enormous amount of work and time. maybe after few years. what i want to accomplish is focus on building and those upper rail detailings etc.... and im looking forward to put color on her...and plating. ...

Dear Folks

i decided to postpone figurehead.  as chaotic as I am, i maek sure your effort to help wont wane as I will return to it rpetty much all the time, but i do t want any result shorter of spectacular, so i decided opposite route. - to make or have madevinstall figurehead last. 

i decided to pain boat forst and install laser cut  bow ornamentals , nameboard, paint waterway ...i contacted my laser guy and i am sure you will much love this chapter .

something about painting. im going to apoly thin coat of dark liberon shellac on her to keep or prevent raising of  grain as much as possible and over the top i will apply fiebing black leather Dye for balc kcoat. ´aybe some wax on the top. 

i believe all moldings are black as well at this point only top cover of fancy rail is white. 

Rich is entire sheerline white on 1869 ? or even golden? Thank you very much for that.

i have to istall first those rails holding rope blocks ...

going to it. 

V. 

..solid then

I am anxious and hesitant to start Rob. Im not convinced i have ability. i envy your work with even smaller outcome. I basically think myself it is soo small it should be done properly drawn in 3D program and 3 D printed as most of figureheads of this scale are made in boxwood these days. i personal

y think it is torture at least to make viable form of her but there cannot be word about detailing. atm i holding in hand revell cutty sark in 1:96 scale. i can tell it is such small that i am about t osay there is almost no piint making it. i would say apyour outcome is far better in this respect. i will still play just for the fun. but shat i want is detailed figurehead which i will proably at the end end up drawing in 3 D program a d have printed as 3 D object. 

i was even playing with buying snd modifying some resin greek goddess...but they are atill way way bigger....i dont wa t to elt you down Rob but please dont expect anything plausible from me. im not up to it. however i like Richs drawing as there is pretty much everything it should be in such small scale figurehead. not more details ...V. 

49 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir & Rob, per Rob's astute observation, here's the revised images of Glory's figurehead with revised right arm. Let me know what you think.

You are master of her Rich, i can tell you. fab. 

20 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, utilizing Lloyd McCaffery's excellent carving, I've been able to get a close approximation to Glory's Grecian Goddess 'Athene' from straight ahead. It's actually surprising how much detail can be fit into this relatively small area.

thanks Rich, oh where do i buy her?  

On 8/17/2021 at 2:50 PM, rwiederrich said:

She looks absolutely wonderful.  Well done.  One big milestone....you have overcome.

Can't wait to see how you tackle the figurehead.

 

Rob

Many many thanks Rob. it wont be easy ..:) 

13 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, as usual, absolutely beautiful work. Her form, like Rob's is developing distinctly to represent "GLORY of the SEAS." 

An observation which might frustrate you after you put in so much hard work to create it. The upper T'gallant, Fancy or Monkeyrail is solid, enclosed, ie like a box. So all that lovely bulkhead work for the upper works isn't accurate in comparison to the actual vessel herself. That's what Rob pointed out to me when I had to revise my sketch. 

Honestly, if it's too much of a bother, nobody but us nit-pickers will ever notice it.

thanks much, and not to worry Rich i will make it solid easily. just sanding off from those bulwarks and gluing solid wood  . V. 

pretty Rob. 

when i see this kind of patience I seriously think , damn, i wish someone just wanted to finish my boat. I dont have patience nor entusiasm or wish for this kind of work starting from gearing and masting up. up to build a body and houses and i am pretty  much done. in case someone found anyone to finish my built glory fo himself just turn him  on me :)) or in 99 percent maybe ill just leave her as she is painted with buildings and thats it.  v. 

I cant believe IT. Top of the fancyrail. Im so done. Exhausted.  But she IS done. Ať least second  big most important  super difficult milestone. I Will také IT very easy from now on so there wont be Updates fór weeks or months probably. and except ofvl paint and  figurehead. I Wish i could find  premade deck somewhere. Will see. I have broken computer so no more adjustments fór bow ornamentals. will be laser cut. Im looking forward tremendously for those. I still need to repair some bow things..but overwall drawings materialised. Im in awe how much Lena angles and photofgraphy distorts. Especially stern. Anglijg and focal length. IT Can be full and short as inichaels drawings and Can be sleek and shallow as well. I believe we hlave All recreated probably  as truer Glory of the seas as possible though. 

10 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, I hope this helps your pursuit of Glory's lovely Grecian Goddess 'Athene' figurehead. This is a 1 1/4" sketch of the Starboard view of her. 

Thanks much Rich, clau arrives tmw im gonna make wired skeletone underjeath today. Will hang photo. 

Back to stern sheer etc. Kicked myself to that finally. ..upper molding missing but its  final shape ...

55 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Doris is a true artisan.......her sculptures are indescribably magnificent.   She does use a heat curing clay like material.  Truly wonderful.

 

Hey Vlad..one other thing I noticed on your bowsprit.  I believe you said you are going to rebuilt it...well, I suggest you correct the sprit CAP.  It is not vertical as some caps are.  If you look at the pic of Glory at pier side, during her conversion....draw several lines out from the main mast toward the sprit cap.  Make those lines the same length...then draw a line vertical down at their edges(Just a grid).  You will see that the sprit cap is NOT vertical but leans back and is actually at a right angle to the sprit and jibboom.  Some photos give the illusion it is vertical.

 

I noticed this when you made the original bowsprit, but failed to mention it.  Sorry.

 

Rob

Ok Rob thanks for catch. Will Remember and return to that when polishing it. 

On 8/15/2021 at 4:44 AM, ClipperFan said:

Rob, that's just gorgeous . This particular angle reminds me so much of the one which I credit giving us the breakthrough in finally recognizing Glory's genuine Clipper shape.

This 1911 Seattle dockside view, which actually wasn't fully available even in Michael's first book, finally shows Glory's true razor sharp Clipper Bow. To me, this aha! moment is what allowed Vladimir to give us the incredibly accurate bulkhead kits. And Rob you're showcasing in your incredibly faithful replica, "GLORY of the SEAS" as she truly appeared. This is such exciting stuff!!!

On 8/15/2021 at 1:50 AM, rwiederrich said:

Added the name board

This is view I was longing for for almost two year now, and haunted my inner weird fella to try building it. sweet Congrats Rob. Rich nailed it as well. in that  photograph  there was it...we retured to it uncounted times....

8 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Oh….glad to hear.   I always understood,  Throwing in the Towel to mean your giving up, on carving the figurehead.  Can’t wait to see what you have in store next.  
 

Rob

 Rob, ill try modeling  out of selfdrying clay....i think its too small for carving. way too small...at least for me.  but atill bigger than yours. 32 mm in length/ tall. 1 &1/4 of inch. 

4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Not to throw fuel on the fire,  but how will you fade the plank sheet into the top molding of the naval hood…….they are one in the same….?

 

Sorry,  but I noticed this a little while ago.   I’m sure you have an ingenious plan in store to show off your awesome wood working skills

 

Rob

Good observation Rob. definite  mistake i made. i will try to unglue front bit of molding. but i will also have to add little piece on molding so there will be joining gap.  ill try to make it invisible. still far cry from that as Ill have to contact my laser cut guy for ornamentals...trowing towell in boxers arena = accpeting challenge  as we use to say here...

Ok gentlemen. towel trown in ring. 

Greek goddess. 

only if i know how to make her :)) 

challenge accepted but....only going to start thinking about it. im going to soak myelf in ideas. 

till i come up with something to discuss than

V. 

4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Spent some time finishing up the port anchor release mech and support chains 

 

Rob

Sweet Rob, minuscule  clean details , perfect. 

9 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir, guys I think I finally have made enough progress on my 1:96 scale "GLORY of the SEAS" line drawing that I can share it here. It's not 100% but before I continue filling in more specifics, I wanted to get your reactions. How does this look to you?

Fine work Rich. Very familiar ship.:) 

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

I was wondering when you were gonna get to adding the top rail trim that runs along to the top of the bowsprit.  Sweet work.

 

The topgallent or monkey rail is  solid...boarded on its internal side...yours is still open to the framing....is that an oversight or how you interpret it?

 

Rob

Rob, frankly, im not really sure what solid monkey rail means. I had really though  tíme to think Bulwark and Columns sizes with calculating space for rails as i almost so so reached top of bowsprit and little above. This monkey rail IS tad little Higher at stern side a little narrower ať how. Just to fit in nameboard. but finally im Happy overal. IT was really challenging as i had to Keep sheer angle always samé as buidling Up from IT ....there still IS plenty to revise as navalhood plate goes under molding so i Will have to repair that part - i just forgot , but i want to finish this All procedúre in one to and have long long deserved break before i paint. V.  Also there get s one " mistake" to fall IT such- you figured probably that main rial should be samé thickness more less than sheerline mold but i had to Made IT tad thinner to make monkey rail wide enough and to Keep rest in good corelation sizewise....

13 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Vlad....your results are wonderful...you have been able to successfully create very convincing and accurate moldings and they look amazing on the ship.

 

Just a great job......Congrats.

 

Rob

Much apreciated Rob.