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Thanks for the suggestion Mark. Ill also keep that in mind. Mark, how did you do regarding the cannons? DId you use the ones in the kit or replace them? Lawrence, I wish that was my deck, but I ment that I will start maping the cannons on the 1:10, and I used a pic of that model to show the difference between the cannons on the upper deck. Sorry for the confusion and I'll try to be more clear. /Matti -
Hi Karleop, I haven't started on those yet so I'm afraid I can't be of any help. Not yet anyway. Looking forward to follow your build and hope you will start a log. /Matti
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I suppose you could buy the plastic BB Vasa sculptures as spareparts? They are easy to thin down and shape around the difficult shapes like the galleries and towers so you could use them on those areas. /Matti
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Ah, sorry, I ment the largest cannon on the upper deck. The ones for the gunports are slightly wider in diameter, but they are just short ones ment to fit the fake gunports. I've started the tricky part to map the differeny cannons used on Vasa. The ones on upper deck is a mixed bag of what they could find as they didn't manage to make all guns in time. Thanks for the help, it's good to know the real lenghts! /Matti
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Cheers mate! Yeah I'm very interested in the Amati ones. The biggest ones in the kit is 32 mm and it looks about right when looking at reference. Problem is she had many different versions of cannons. How tall are the ones in the picture you posted earlier? And do they look about right from the front, looking at the barrel? /Matti
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Hey Nigel, I started to plan for the cannons. First I need to decide what setup I want, if I want them out and ready to fire or not. Either way I need cannons for the deck and like you the originals are really plain and the shape is not correct. The ones you suggested are much better. Here are the real Vasa cannons, and one pic of the newmade replica: I'll try and get the right measurement. I'm not sure the ones in the kit have the right lenght. /Matti
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Thanks Jan, I'm very happy you like it! Cheers /Matti
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Oooh, that's brave to put her on the nose Michael. I put the model between my knees when I need a few seconds to fit stern details. And that's enough to make me nervous. Nice start on the rigging. I like your jig idea. /Matti /
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Good work Phil, it will be interesting to see how your design will look. Are there sculptures for the beakhead? /Matti
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Thank you very much Michael and mobbsie! /Matti
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Thanks Jan! No, they are scratched mate. /Matti
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Yeah, many think that the rich sculptural themes where created by Gustav Adolfs teacher and friend Johan Skytte, at least that he is one of the persons behind them. /Matti
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Cheers fellas! Tony, I did notice printed gentlemen on plywood squares in the old spareparts I got my hands on earlier. There are no print on the ones in my kit. Since the kit has nice figures otherwise I think its a good idea to make your own versions of these guys. Ah, I see Steve. Like below the heads? lol. Cheers Nigel, I think the odd details like these sculptures or the blue purple thingie are the most interesting ones. /Matti
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Small update. Vasas sculptures where not all emperors and glory, two of them were jokes aiming to make fun of Gustav Adolfs main enemy King Sigismund of Poland. Below the two catheads polish noblemen croushes under tables. These were best seen from sitting on the heads, so it's made for the crewmens amusement. The BB don't have plastic sculptures for this, actually their solition is to use pieces of wood instead. I decided to dare the gods of shipmodelmaking and carved simplified versions of them instead. The original shape is pretty strange and from the outside you can barely see what it is supposed to be, without color anyway. I did end up with some problems here as there are many angles meeting up there and anyone doing the BB kit should try and plan for this stage early. When it comes to sculptures, these are the toughest to fit on the model in my opinion. Here are reference pictures of the polish noblemen, as you see the shape is quite special: And here are mine: /Matti
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Jan, I like your approach in model building. I also share this view, I sometimes keep my mistakes as lessons learned. I'm building the Vasa and I've looked at reference of the real ship alot when buiding her. The real ship was far from perfect and in fact has lots of wonkyness and unsymmetrical features. I find that beautyful and try to incorporate that into my model whenever I can. Point is that old ships weren't perfect, at least not from the 1600's. I think your build has personality and soul and I enjoy that. You can be proud of your build. /Matti
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No problem buddy. /Matti
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Cheers mate, yeah we also had lots of rain this winter, so I'm relieved we got snow instead. Jan here's the pic of the plan. Quite different from the real ship: /Matti
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Thanks Sherry! Jan, I think I read Fred Hocker and his colleagues will make correct plans later on. It should be very true to the original and also not idealized. /Matti
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Cheers Andy and Lawrence! Im getting cloe to have painted 300 sculptures. I guess it will end up around 350. Jan, I'll take a picture of it later. Like I said, it looks likt the 1:10 oly with more herms sitting tighter. I think its best to look at the original to get the curve right. /Matti
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Hey all, I now finished the railing/balustrad. There are some interesting differences between Landström, the 1:10 and the real ship. The Landström version is in the previous post. Here is the 1:10 with likeness of the setup of the herms like Landström, 8 of them. Its also pretty straight and not very curved: And here is the real ship with a different setup, leaving a space at the edges so the crew can walk there easyer. It also have spacers between the kranbalkarna/catheads and the railing. It has spacers and It's also very curved: And finally here's my result. I tried to make my railing like the real ship. It didnt allow me to do the spacers though as it would have ended up way to high. /Matti Edit: Just checked the plans sold at the museum and that railing is also different to the above versions. It has ten herms and sits pretty tight.
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Yeah, I have that shield in my kit also. I think its another Landström heritage from how they guessed it would look in the eighties, before they had managed to reconstruct her. He also drew a straight railing. Here is what Landströms says in his book (my translation): "In paintings and drawings by de Welde Sr and Jr, there's often a heraldic shield in the mittle of "ballustraden" [...] In his instructions for the navy written in 1649, Herman Fleming writes: At the front there shall be a shield for a musket. It shall have two door from where you walk to the beakhead." The Herman Fleming part is written in 1600 swedish so it's hard to understand if its a protection while shooting a musket, or if it should stand shots from a musket. Landström then continues: "We can imagine the crowned wasa shield held by two very young nereids (remember we have the face of one of them!) [...] The shield can open as a double door" And here is how Landström imagined it would look: /Matti
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Very nice Ulisses, and a great help for me being new to rigging. I like your rope very much. /Matti
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Cheers mobbsie! Ya its those sculptures. The painting is fun but the challenge is to make the railing construction strong enough. I think it will work out once the sculptures are in place. Nigel, I think they would open outwards.The hinges where on the outside; I'm pretty sure I remember Fred Hocker stating that. /Matti
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Cheers mates! Lawrence, Ive started to try and read up how you guys do the rigging. Nigel, thanks for the advice! I know its incorrect but Ive grown found of the look of the doors on the 1:10 model and they are without hinges, so I will leave them out. I'm guessing the modelmakers didnt add them as they don't know how they looked, like the lantern perhaps. /Matti
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Cheers Lawrence!, Painting sculptures again, but soon I will have painted all of them. /Matti
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