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Jürgen,

wouldn't it be easier to plank one side of the model and let the other perhaps until the whales unplanked?

Jürgen,

why do you install ribbands and plank the side?

Christian, thanks for looking in.  Does Alert have any stern lettering?  The same technique would be applicable.

Toni,

if I would follow the Marshall paintings, Alert has a frieze and a stern painting. But I will build my model with open sides, so I don#t know if I schould paint some frieze.

Thanks for the description, Toni. If I come back to my HMS Fly, I will have the same problem with painting the friezes.

@Mike

thanks for looking in. I use Autocad for the  drawings.

@Nils

the frames are perpendicular to the keel and have an angle to the waterline.

Have a look at the NMM drawings of Cheerful 1806, Racer 1809 or one of the 1818 cutters. All drawings show this frame arrangement.

Really nice progress, Lee.

Your build log is a big motivation, to work on the drawings for my build.

The design of the parallel frames is finished. I tried to follow the original drawing as close as possible without one change.

If you have a closer look at the gun port position of the original drawing you will see a pencil note, which indicates that there was added a 5th deadeye, which is not common for cutters. I did not know any other cutter drawing with more than 4 deadeyes.

So I decided that I like to show this update of the original design - the Marshall drawing also shows 5 deadeyes. For this change I modified the gun port position and the top timber heads in this area.

My biggest problem during the design was, that the gun ports and top timber heads did not match the position of the double frames. I could not solve this problem with using another design, so I decided to shift the futtocks as I've seen in some contemporary drawings.

If you compare this design with the known design of the Aots-book (I don't like adding a scan to avoid problems with Copyright issues) you will see that this design is much more rugged. The gunports ar not put on top of the framing as Goodwin did.

I don't know but I hope that it's a little bit closer to the original framing. If you think that I can optimize the position of some frames, please let me know. Next I start with the fore cant frames.

Thanks very much for your reply, Druxey. I will follow your advice and finish option 1. You confirmed what my gut instinct said.

Happy New Year

It's time for another short update. The design takes more time than expected. I notice that I don't have any experience in doing this. I reconstructed the square frames from station line H to station line 4 for both options.

I don't know which one could be right.

Both options have their advantages and disadvantages

Option 1:

+ The real double frames are more common than the design in option 2

+  The relationship of room and space is more common comparing with other (bigger) ships of that time

-  The width of the floor timber given through the two station lines for station 0 does not fit.

Option 2:

+  The width of the floor timber fits two the station lines at station 0.

+  The frame design allows a better ventilation between the frames

+  The frame design is very light which is positive for a fast sailing ship

-   The relationship of room and space is very uncommon

In my opinion the given historical dimensions for framing a cutter are not very helpful for a cutter of the Alert-Class

The shipbuilders repsoitory is from 1788 and Steel from 1805. There was a very important change in the armament of ships between the design of Alert and the two documents: the introduction of the carronades.

In the older repositories the cutters would not mentioned.

What do you think, which is the solution you would prefer?

She has a really nice design and will be an interesting project.

Really wonderful pictures Ed. I will also by a copy of this book. I like the Tea Clippers and your model will be a fantastic possibility to build one in the future

Hi Giampieroricci,

I've take the time to look through your complete build log. It's a real interesting log and a nice representation of the "French shool of shipmodelling".

I'll follow your log next year with great interest

Really nice progress

Really nice drafting skills. I like to see more of your drawings.

Seventy degrees Fahrenheit. I don't knowhow much this in °C is, but I think it's very hot.

In Germany we have around 0°C. Best weather for working on my model drawings.

Have you thought of using different colord timbers for framing and planking the model? Or do you like to paint your model later?

Aldo,

it's good to hear from you. I am happy that you are doing better and find time to continue your log.

Mery Christmas, Jürgen.

Your Triton looks really good

Wow, really wonderful small Modell. It's unbelievable that's build of wood.

Wow, that's a really beautyful planking. Do you like to copper her?

Back to the framing dimensions.

I got the values of the SR, but there are mostly the same as in Steel. But both dimensions are for a 273 tons, 16 gun cutter which is much bigger than Alert.

I also got the values for Weazle, a 201 tons brigantine, which is nearly the same size as Alert and has the same room and space. (Thanks very much for the help) Unfortunately the framing dimensions do not really fit with the proportions of SR and Steel.

So I decided to go with two different options:

1. On the basis of Steel I calculated the relationship between 2'2'' and 2'0'' room and space and make my frames 92.3% of the dimensions of Steel.

2. I use the given distance between the station lines for frame 0 (8'') and calculate all other timbers in relationship to Steel.

The first design I will do with option 2 and the frame layout of Cheerful and Racer. These drawings are around 30 years younger but the oldest which I found with framing information.

If the design don't work, I will give the first option a try with real double frames.

What do you think, could both options a possible solution for the framing of the small vessel? Which option would you prefer?

Thank you for the "likes" and comments even when I've done a bone-headed stunt like that.  It keeps me honest and on my toes.

 

 

Christian,

The modified fence idea came from Grant and Danny and fences are just a bit of creative usage.   So.. no... I stole all the ideas.

No problem, I think I will make another ripp-off

Very interesting solution for keeping your fingers away from the blade.

Did you made this by yoursel?

Yesterday I experimented a little bit with 3D views of my line drawings. The result is not a real 3D model but very helpful for checking the reconstruction. The two pictures are only an impression, because on the PC I can rotate the model and have a closer look to the details.

Ben, Allans book is on my wishlist for Christmas.

The framinglooks really well aligned. Superb work, Ben