Matrim

As stated on page 2 please keep this thread concerning Patrick O'Brian and not other authors. Off topic posts will be deleted and repeat offenders dealt with.

May I suggest that those who would like a more general discourse concerning Napoleonic Naval authors start a topic of that nature wherein such topics can be freely discussed.

Thank you.

On the subject of removing the protrusions from the keel the easiest way is to use a disc sander though you have to control your hand pressure to ensure you don't sand too much.

Otherwise you could use a chisel to remove the majority of the extra material (bit dont try and remove it all) and then gently sand so to the level.

It is very rare you get any work that can submit to a close up lens. If it does not wobble then it will be fine also if it is an interior frame then it won't even be visible. Might be an idea to leave the two exterior frames until the end so you can practice your technique as if you can get those almost exact then people will assume the rest of the frames are equally solidly built.

You already had access, strangely enough, probably one of the other mods picked up your request..

Access granted (only just got in  and checked the site)

'Learn by experience' is great once you have learnt. Can be a bit annoying during the learning as everything goes wrong..(at least in my experience)

Coming together nicely.The wood is also a good colour..

Impressive looking frame, well done.

Nice work! Getting these solid and looking good is a hard enough job..

I just cannnot resst buying books on historical ship design .It's like tools and apparently their close sister 'drugs'.

You should be able to see the plans now..

Indeed that is good work and nicely done photos too..

Good job so far, don't forget to leave a mm or two around both edges as you will need that when fairing the hull in place. It's easy to want to go to the line but is mostly a mistake (that I made...)

Ok lets look briefly at the Stern. As with the bow we have few pictures of good enough quality to provide a definitive answer so will have to make our guess as best as possible. Using our stern discussion as a basis I am relying on the 'live' distant sketch as the best base point for the overall shape. Paintings which match this are likely to be more accurate than otherwise.

So the base point from two angles.

This first shows a quite distinct shape for the stern

and 

here you can see (when shadowed ) the long line of windows. No particular detail but an idea of shape.

Now lets look at some of the contenders. Unfortunately Dodd gives us little in the shape of the stern and some of the more recent images are ghastly to put it mildly. For example we have a recent stamp showing the Amphion

Urrrrrrrr. No. Blind artist taking money of gullible people. oh that's me

Whitcombe does provide much more detail in all the many derivatives of his particular painting

Hmm not quite the shape and with an unusual star decoration on either side. Now slightly in Whitcombe's favour is that all the other British ships in that painting have different stern decorations/structures. I still have some difficulties with him due to the sizes and similar bows (see the bow discussion earlier)

We also have the following detail from a painting by R.Lambe

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Not much to see except the windows and a boat appears slung on stern davits (which at least runs counter to Dodd)

We also get several 'shots' from the Spanish Treasure action. The nicest artistically is a Spanish painting

But I wonder is the over elaborate stern is more a tribute to Spanish ships of the time than to the British attackers. The source for this painting though would appear the following, much rougher, painting

Now both stern and decoration appear similar here.

We have this obviously stylized approach which apparently is Whitcombe though i am not sure I believe it..

Other potential visual references are the previous Amphion (which had all its decoration on plan) and was quite elegant really.

We also have the various sister ships. Mainly the Medusa

None giving much of a help for the stern except for this final which seems to reinforce our Spanish painting (especially as the Medusa is in the same painting right behind the Amphion with the same stern)

All in all I will probably follow a mixture of the Spanish (which appears a direct copy of an earlier English painting). All the British ships appear to have the same stern but two ships were Amphion class (the closest two in the painting). Since that matches the older Amphion I might just copy but simplify the earlier ships design. I am still uncertain about that 'star' so will avoid.

Finally when looking through my paintings I came across what appears to be a mislabeled Amphion. One painting by George Andrews purports to show the Active, Cereberus taking possession of the Corona a boat from the Amphion boarding the Bellona. Looking again the main British ship in the painting has a Commodores pendant so might (must?) be the Amphion. If so it clearly shows a bust with the other British ships with full figureheads (which matches the earlier bow discussion)

More food for thought ..

Joss.

Just a minor update. All the square frames, cant frames and hawse pieces are done. When my shed is up I will use some thin wood and maybe cut the frames out at a small scale to do a visual check on alignment. There are a couple I am not happy with (especially some of the most distant cant frames to the bow and stern) so I may have to go back to the lines for those. That wont be until I can get a way to validate them all though in hopefully a few months now.

I will switch to looking at researching how to draw the stern timbers. I have heard Rees is good for this as I have finally moved beyond Wayne's excellent article (cheers Wayne...). 

While I am waiting I might also do some work on the figurehead/colour scheme/stern decoration structure all of which will be interpretation and guess work.

I might (finally) start looking at the musters properly again as well.

Looks good and frames can seem never ending, still prefer them to fairing the hull though...

Are you planning on using a jig to set the frames? It is not a requirement but a lot of people have found them useful in the past.

Joss

Great work so far. Keep it up 

Nice rabbett on that keel too

Thanks for the update, sounds enough to keep on the 'to buy' list even with Steel..

Hi Allan,. I already have Steel so could you say what 'extra' stuff would make me need the book? I would like to buy but don't want to get what I already have so am looking for the value added..

Cheers,

Joss.

Lovely work. Congrats on completing

All books have to sell. Usually it is of the 'Nelsons favorite ship' , 'the real hornblower' or 'Nelsons favorite leg of beef'  or alternately deliberately trying to wind up more knowledgeable readership i.e 'why america lost the war of 1812' or 'why britain lost the war of 1812', 'Waterloo the German victory' etc etc (one of those is real though I vaguely recollect one of the 1812 ones was used recently as well). 

You can imagine what accurate book header text would be

'south american huts, in detail!',  'shock news that english midshipman prefers portsmouth tarts to savana lovelies!'

Outstanding work so far - congrats

Lovely, plus I wish my yard was as big as that.