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I will admit that the Spanish ship looks slightly blockier and less streamlined than the Dutch ships. However, I think my point stands.
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I know that, but to me (and probably most other members of MSW) you might as well be Matthew Baker himself.
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This is a smaller Dutch galleon that would have been around the size of the Queen Elizabeth: Note that small ships still engaged in close-up duels at this time period, necessitating the use of anti-boarding and anti-small arms measures:
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This is an English two-decker that would reasonably have been able to use broadside-and-board tactics. Notice the close-up sparring match between the English and Spanish ship, that will probably result in one or both parties trying to board the other.
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I also don't know how useful Vroom's paintings would be in this situation. He tended to paint the massive Dutch and Spanish two- and three-deckers in his paintings. However, almost all of the Dutch ships seem to be built in the Spanish design, being huge galleons designed to pound the enemy into submission before boarding and destroying whatever was left. This was not how the English built ships. The English vessels were designed to sit just outside the range of Spanish guns and fire volley after volley until the enemy gave up. This doctrine of naval engagement leads me to believe a race-built ship would not have needed waistcloth.
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This is Matthew Baker's design for a race-built galleon. Notice the fact that this ship is much larger than the Queen Elizabeth would be. The communication port near the waterline is possible owing to the ship's size, and such a feature would be far too close to the waterline to exist on my ship. Also, would a smaller ship participating in the Battle of Gravelines (or similar engagement) have used waistcloth?
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Part 2: Digging In This is a photo of my completed Golden Hinde. You should remember this if you've been a long-time viewer of my build logs. As I was building this model, I ended up noticing multiple historical inaccuracies. For one thing, the Golden Hinde might not have even looked like this. In Wikipedia's records, it was armed with 22 guns of different types. This ship is armed with 12 guns. In fact, the Golden Hinde was probably not even a race-built ship as is depicted here. For a 1965 kit, it holds up to scrutiny however. That being said, calling it the Golden Hinde might be a fallacy. There is also the issue of the belaying pins. Baker told me as I was well underway with the running rigging that English ships didn't start incorporating belaying pins until over a century after the Golden Hinde sailed. Plus, let's face it- with the skill and knowledge I have today, I could do a lot better on this kit. For one thing, the entirety of the shroud assemblies could be scratch-built. Secondly, the majority of the rigging and sails do not hold up to my current skillset, and the anchors and flags are the same way. I would like to significantly improve the paintwork as well. While the paint job is relatively good looking even now, I have better paints and brushes than I had then. I also have better tools and fittings. That leads me to my plan, and this build log. I will not touch the original Golden Hinde. However, I will order the Heller version of this kit and do that. I am planning on doing all my normal work on the ship, while paying special attention to the paint, sails, and rigging. I plan on making silkspan sails, putting decals on the sails, staining the rigging (something Kirill told me I should do) as well as making general improvements. This is still just a plan, and I haven't even ordered the kit yet. However, it would be nice to have some company while I work on what is hopefully going to be my best model yet. I plan on portraying this ship as a small galleon of the English fleet that went up against the Spanish Armada in 1588, and yes it is named after someone I know, but for official records, the name Queen Elizabeth comes from the English tradition of naming ships after the reigning monarch at the time. There were two ships in the Elizabethan Navy bearing her name (The Elizabeth Jonas and the Elizabeth Bonaventure) so this name is historically plausible. For now, this is a research log.
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You should definitely do sails, which are not mentioned in the instructions.
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You can just take a picture and send it now, if you can. I would like to see the rest of the instructions, you can post it here.
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If you have any questions about the relatively confusing nature of yard rigging, ask away.
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I can't see anything wrong with what you've done or what the instructions say to do. However, I have some diagrams you need to see before you continue.
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I would skip a Soleil Royale for now, Isaiah. That would ruin your life.
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Your Perseverance is shaping up beautifully, Isaiah. I can see how much you've learned and how good you've gotten just in the past few images. You should be proud of yourself.
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Great! You did almost everything perfectly! However, the falls for the peak lifts for the spanker boom should belay somewhere around the mast or at the sides of the ship around where the mast is. This is so the spanker boom can freely swing just like the gaff.
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Early September, 1492 The words of the evening Mass still ring in your ears. You curl up in a ball underneath the small forecastle of the wooden cradle that will rock you to sleep tonight. For now, the sea is calm and the winds are gentle. You can just barely see the stars through the rigging of the tiny ship you and 17 other men will call home for the next five weeks. There's a long road ahead of you. Captain Columbus is probably drawing up charts right now, but your only responsibility at the moment is getting to sleep. Many thoughts race through your head, but one of them seems to outshine the rest. This tiny little caravel you call home will brave the Green Sea of Darkness. You silently thank God and the Portuguese for developing a ship that will always be there for you, even when the sea gets rough. I have tied down the auxiliary oars, and with that, the Sao Paulo is finished. Thank you all (especially you Steven) for helping me with this (albeit small) project. Until next time, fair winds and calm seas.
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The flags are on, and the ship is nearing completion. However, i have a theory. Some Medieval lateeners in the Mediterranean were known to use oars as an auxiliary (galleys, some roundships, and, i assume, early hulks). Now, in 1441 the caravel would not have existed in its most developed form. This implies that caravels before the 16th century may have had oars, owing to the fact that the Mediterranean conditions involve being without wind as often as having it. I propose that the Sao Paulo, which is more a medieval ship than anything else, might have had auxiliary oars for use when the sea was calm. This is a theoretical reconstruction, after all, and my goal is to create a ship that a sailor from Medieval Iberia would instantly recognize as a caravel. I also got this idea from the Occidental-turned-Zvezda kit, which includes auxiliary oars for the ship.
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My guess would be to rerig just foreward of the flagpole. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the same forces would be at play as with the main braces. Belay on a cleat.
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Oh, what a nice paint job! At this scale, it's a wonder anyone can get anything painted right. You are doing a marvelous job on this kit.
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