allanyed

Mike,
 
I am really curious to see how it goes from this point to laying the prefab deck into place.   Can't say that I have ever seen a complete planked deck fit in place this way. With the round up and sheer, are you concerned about these two bends being problematic?
 
Allan

Mike,
 
I am really curious to see how it goes from this point to laying the prefab deck into place.   Can't say that I have ever seen a complete planked deck fit in place this way. With the round up and sheer, are you concerned about these two bends being problematic?
 
Allan

Ed,
 
As always, it is joy to follow your builds.   Just a small FYI, I have been using holly for the frames for the various ship's boats and they bend very easily after being submersed in water for a few minutes.  It works for even  those frames where the moulded dimensions increase at the floor rather than just having the same moulded dimension the entire length of the piece being used to make the frame.  In the end, this increase in the moulded dimenion at the floor is barely noticeable at the smaller scales, but can be done if desired.  
 
Allan 

Just as there are no two faces that are exactly the same across the 7.4 billion of people on this earth, (even in identical twins), no two people have the same amount of patience for a given task.   Even as one person, I have varying amounts of patience, attention to detail, and different attitudes as to what is good enough.  I did not realize this until the Admiral asked how I have the patience to spend years on a model yet have less than 10 seconds of patience with the guy driving too slowly in the passing lane on the highway.  
 
Allan

Just as there are no two faces that are exactly the same across the 7.4 billion of people on this earth, (even in identical twins), no two people have the same amount of patience for a given task.   Even as one person, I have varying amounts of patience, attention to detail, and different attitudes as to what is good enough.  I did not realize this until the Admiral asked how I have the patience to spend years on a model yet have less than 10 seconds of patience with the guy driving too slowly in the passing lane on the highway.  
 
Allan

Just as there are no two faces that are exactly the same across the 7.4 billion of people on this earth, (even in identical twins), no two people have the same amount of patience for a given task.   Even as one person, I have varying amounts of patience, attention to detail, and different attitudes as to what is good enough.  I did not realize this until the Admiral asked how I have the patience to spend years on a model yet have less than 10 seconds of patience with the guy driving too slowly in the passing lane on the highway.  
 
Allan

Just as there are no two faces that are exactly the same across the 7.4 billion of people on this earth, (even in identical twins), no two people have the same amount of patience for a given task.   Even as one person, I have varying amounts of patience, attention to detail, and different attitudes as to what is good enough.  I did not realize this until the Admiral asked how I have the patience to spend years on a model yet have less than 10 seconds of patience with the guy driving too slowly in the passing lane on the highway.  
 
Allan

Sorry, Greg, to be a curmudgeon and to divert from Chuck's wonderful build on this log, but I'd like to throw in an alternative view.
 
I know lots of people aged 15 upwards who devote their lives to improving their skills so as to achieve as perfect a result as they can (even if it's only to pass the endless exams that will take them to the next step). I certainly would include artists, musicians, engineers, a variety of scientists, amongst the many I know and have known who are like this. In the computing world they are often known as 'nerds' or 'geeks', in the musical world endless practice is regarded as the norm.
 
I don't know on what evidence the 'most' applies to the quoted statement except insofar as model ship building is not a mainstream hobby or profession. We have thousands of members as do the groups in other countries, and there are probably others who make ship models with various degrees of skill, attentiveness and interest; and it may well be that the majority are over 40.
 
Of course there are people old and young who are not going to be interested in ship model making with the degree of obsession, compulsion or mania that others may have. On this forum I have seen examples of the full range, and oft a time have I seen the comment that this hobby is for pleasure, not a competition, does not have a time scale, and is to match the skills and exactly those different degrees of obsession held by each one of us as individuals.
 
'Instant gratification' is hard to define. I have 'instant gratification' the moment I have found a way through a problem. Others have it for their own different reasons. Making love may well be included in the list. As for 'good enough', I have seen that phrase used many times on this forum, as in not bothering to fully frame a model because it won't be seen when the planking is on, or simply because no attempt at replication will ever be successful because it is not exactly the same as the real thing. I have also heard that phrase used by some people in commenting about their love-making.
 
A final aspect is that many young people face enormous pressures in their lives just to make ends meet -- most especially if they have young families to look after. They quite often will be working 12 or more hours a day. I was chatting to a call centre person the other day during a query about my phone account, and she told me she was at the end of a 12 hour shift at 7pm, and was going on to do her other job. To find the time to do something as demanding of concentration as ship modelling after that and before having some kind of mindless break from the pressure might well be a demand too much.
 
Note how many people on this forum have come back to modelling after breaking it off in their teens. I presume they broke it off not because of a sudden failure of their dedication to perfection.
 
In short, I am definitely highly respectful of the skills many on this forum have, and I learn a lot from them, but I'm wary of statements that could be taken to be elitist even though I know that intention was not there in making the statement and was made only as a kind of compliment in response to Chuck's obviously wonderful skills.
 
Chuck, I do apologise, and if you think this comment has no place on your log, I'll be happy to delete it or ask to have it moved to another topic.
 
Tony

This is precisely the reason that young people are not attracted to ship model making, Chuck. Instant gratification is the mantra for most people under 40 as well as the "good enough" philosophy.

Thank You....
 
Its just a matter of slowing down and taking your time.   Not rushing is a huge part of it.  I think everyone can do the same but I see so many folks running through their projects like they are in a race.  Should parts not fit correctly...throw them away and do it again.   It took me about 2 hours to paint the stern after making the seats and adding the cleats.  It took me about 1 hour to just paint one ladder after making it.  Many thin coats being careful not to get any dust on it.  Sanding carefully when imperfections and brush strokes take place.  The key in my mind is to just slow down....my best advice for any model builder.
 
Chuck
 

The illustration is of one of the famous 18th century Kabuki theater actors, Otani Oniji II, by the woodcut artist Toshusai Sharaku.

Having seen this saw in Clare's post http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10860-yakatabune-by-catopower-woody-joe-124-scale-small/page-2#entry330886, I decided to order one from Zootoyz.jp.
 
It took about 10 days to arrive from Japan. 
 

 
The saw is small and with a very narrow blade. Here is a comparison with my x-acto razor saw.
 

 
These are some sample cuts on 1/8" sq basswood. The HISHIKA is on the right.
 
The saw came very well packed. It was inside 2 heavy plastic sleeves then wrapped in this cloth, then bubble wrap, all in a box. 
 

 
I'm not sure of the significance of this guy .
 
The saw is not cheap, about $25 with shipping, but is very nice and well worth the money.
 
Zootoyz were very helpful and responsive.
 
Here is the link to the site http://zootoyz.jp/contents/en-us/d141_HISHIKA_Super_Fine_Cut_Saw_.html
 
Richard.

Ed,
 
As always, it is joy to follow your builds.   Just a small FYI, I have been using holly for the frames for the various ship's boats and they bend very easily after being submersed in water for a few minutes.  It works for even  those frames where the moulded dimensions increase at the floor rather than just having the same moulded dimension the entire length of the piece being used to make the frame.  In the end, this increase in the moulded dimenion at the floor is barely noticeable at the smaller scales, but can be done if desired.  
 
Allan 

Ed,
 
As always, it is joy to follow your builds.   Just a small FYI, I have been using holly for the frames for the various ship's boats and they bend very easily after being submersed in water for a few minutes.  It works for even  those frames where the moulded dimensions increase at the floor rather than just having the same moulded dimension the entire length of the piece being used to make the frame.  In the end, this increase in the moulded dimenion at the floor is barely noticeable at the smaller scales, but can be done if desired.  
 
Allan 

SOS
 
I just went to the RMG Collections site and in the search line I typed compass.  They indicate over 2000 images are available.  Attached is the first one I found for the 18th century with a compass bowl of circa 1720 and the card being circa 1760.  I am sure you will find more in that file.
 
Allan

Ed,
 
As always, it is joy to follow your builds.   Just a small FYI, I have been using holly for the frames for the various ship's boats and they bend very easily after being submersed in water for a few minutes.  It works for even  those frames where the moulded dimensions increase at the floor rather than just having the same moulded dimension the entire length of the piece being used to make the frame.  In the end, this increase in the moulded dimenion at the floor is barely noticeable at the smaller scales, but can be done if desired.  
 
Allan 

Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 146 – Ship’s Boats 2
 
In the last part I had just begun bending frames over the longboat plug for the first of the two longboats, so I will continue from that point, but picking up with longboat 2 from that same point.  Longboat 1 is proceeding merrily along its way and I will catch up with that work later.  In the first picture all the square frames on the port side have been soaked in water, bent over the plug and clamped down with the pin clamps.
 

 
I found that soaking the .03” strips in water overnight was more than sufficient to make them flexible enough for this work.  They were just left soaking until needed.  Although pinned roughly in position these will be more accurately spaced at both the keel and the gunwale in later steps.  This is the same plug used on Longboat 1, as evidenced by the pinholes.
 
In the next picture the inside stem shape is being fitted to the bow of the plug.
 

 
This was a case of matching up and sanding until a good fit was obtained.  You may recall that the plug is shaped to the inside of the frames.  In the next picture the outer curve of the stem has been cut after fitting the inner edge and the stem is being glued to the keel.
 

 
This assembly was then glued to the frames as shown in the next picture.
 

 
As this was clamped down with pins through drilled holes, the frames were spaced at the keel by eye.  The upper ends are still doing their own thing.  In the next picture a deadwood is being glued to the keel under the aft end of the plug.
 

 
The next step was to bring the upper ends of the frames into line.  This was done by nailing a strip over them at the gunwale as shown in the next picture.
 

 
The lower edge of this strip (upper in the photo) corresponds to the top of the side.  This strip put enough pressure on the frames allow them to be aligned and spaced at the top.  Once this was done the uppermost hull plank could be glued to the frames.  This is shown in the last picture.
 

 
I used holly to plank the side.  The planks are about 1” thick and 4 or five inches wide.  The two longboats are carvel planked and will be painted.  Note that none of the starboard frames have been installed at this stage.  These will be slipped between the plug and the keel and glued to their partners along the frame floors.  Thus each frame will extend from the top of the side, over the keel and to the turn of the bilge on the opposite side.  This construction will be clearer in the next part.
 
Ed

Giorgio
 
I have made one to six trips a year to Italy for the past 30 year, mainly for my job so I had to learn to speak a little Italian as a result.  I think there are more cab drivers in Firenze and Milano that speak English than in New York though
 
I may start a log on the Effie M. Morrissey as I do not want this to turn into a hijack of your log.  I really  look forward to your progress on the rigging.
 
 Allan

Giorgio
 
I have made one to six trips a year to Italy for the past 30 year, mainly for my job so I had to learn to speak a little Italian as a result.  I think there are more cab drivers in Firenze and Milano that speak English than in New York though
 
I may start a log on the Effie M. Morrissey as I do not want this to turn into a hijack of your log.  I really  look forward to your progress on the rigging.
 
 Allan

Hello,
thanks for your interest, for the comments and the likes!
The second frame work for a cutter is completed.

 

Here is a size comparison of all previous boats for the French corvette.

Giorgio
 
I have made one to six trips a year to Italy for the past 30 year, mainly for my job so I had to learn to speak a little Italian as a result.  I think there are more cab drivers in Firenze and Milano that speak English than in New York though
 
I may start a log on the Effie M. Morrissey as I do not want this to turn into a hijack of your log.  I really  look forward to your progress on the rigging.
 
 Allan

Giorgio,
 
My copy of the SAME BOOK arrived this past Monday!!!! Che coincendenza!   I found it on line for US$6.   
 
I am experimenting again with making blocks with internal strops. The method seems to be very good for large sizes, and OK for small (1/8") blocks.  If I can perfect it a little I will take photos and post.
 
Ciao
 
Allan

Giorgio,
 
My copy of the SAME BOOK arrived this past Monday!!!! Che coincendenza!   I found it on line for US$6.   
 
I am experimenting again with making blocks with internal strops. The method seems to be very good for large sizes, and OK for small (1/8") blocks.  If I can perfect it a little I will take photos and post.
 
Ciao
 
Allan

Giorgio,
 
My copy of the SAME BOOK arrived this past Monday!!!! Che coincendenza!   I found it on line for US$6.   
 
I am experimenting again with making blocks with internal strops. The method seems to be very good for large sizes, and OK for small (1/8") blocks.  If I can perfect it a little I will take photos and post.
 
Ciao
 
Allan

Ciao Giorgio
 
Finally went through your entire building log.  Well Done!!!!    What are you using for rigging plans, including block and rope sizes and belaying points?   This is always a sore point with me as I cannot find a really good single source.  Chappelle has several Gloucester vessels'  block lists, and most plans have sail plans, but I have not found a good set of drawings showing the run of the lines right down to the belaying points.    Chappelle is a huge help, but a royal pain to use as each chapter is alphabetical from anchor to windlass.  Even with the many great details he shows, it is not complete as far as rigging.
 
 Ciao
 
Allan