NenadM

Walking on the edge of patience

9 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

I must applaud your tenacity NenadM, metal is a much harder (as in difficult) material to work with, and you have produced an excellent end result.

 

Simon

Thank you!

Two more to go. After resolving two rings issue at the bottom of mast

Step by step

And I think it's OK nows

2 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

And here we go Nenad.....tops are being made.......good job.

Oh...I can't believe you're going on, or are on 9 years for this log....what an adventure.

 

Keep going strong...

 

Rob

Hello Rob, and thanks for nice words

Yes, 9 years ... but there are some excuses ... my job, which varies betwen 0 and 16 working hours per day, my family, and my character - monkey see monkey do e.g. my another hobbies (photography, guitar, writing and publishing novels, painting with acrylic on canvas, researching history, gardening, traveling, reading books, study listen and collect music, theatre, opera, ballet, exibitions, long walks with my dog,  etc etc), and of course my social life and some ladies To complete picture, I am not experienced modeler, so I still learn, which result usually with 2-4 attemts before I do something in a way I want it. And just to make the soup thicker, some time ago I was promoted to be one of Admins for famous Serbian photo group with 65.000 members ... in my vocabulary, word - boring does not exist !

But I am here, in shadows, watching what happens here on MSW

Micro soldering 5x6x5 mm in base, and first layer of color

17 hours ago, mtaylor said:

Looks great and well worth the effort, Nenad.

Thanks. It was a kind of problem, considering this is full scratch build, to find a sheet of metal, to be thin and enough strong at the same time. A lot of ropes go there, which mena a lot of thiny forces will affect ends of structure, and structure itself is pretty weakened with openings.   

Satisfied at last

Thank you!

I decided to remake masts, and now I am looking for tin sheet metal piece, thin enough to look as real, and solid enough to be able to handle forces of tighted ropes. At the same time, to be easy for drilling and carving. It is not easy task as it looks on first sight

33 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

I think you're right about not making parts just once.   I have a box full of scrap wood.... make that read;  reworked parts.

Dark side, my friend.

I fully understand why 😁. But ... better option than Dune with sandworms 🤫

1 hour ago, My Fathers Son said:

Do you really need to start again? You have the base there, its just missing the cut out for the Topgallant Mast.

Not exactly 😟

Ironing base on down side od platform,  without planing to open that hole, left no enough space for this

You can see it on photo of detail

19 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

NenadM,

 

Just one small suggestion, you need to make a hole to insert the TopGallant Mast into the top.

 

 

The space between the holes is for the cables for the shrouds to pass between the masts and down through the top in the slots you have cut.

 

Simon

You are right, my friend. C-plans are not quite readable for begginers

When you point, I check it, and see ...

In mean time, I re-think, and decided to make it again, this time from a bit harder material, and more acurate and clean

Is there any part of Her Majesty which I can make at once?

But, this is all one big game. so, let`s play!

And ... can it be/have it be more precise?

19 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

 

Just a quick point on this bit NenadM, dont knock your knowledge on this subject. I come from an Island nation famous for its naval history but there are very few people in this country, including myself,  who would not have the faintest idea what a Trestletree or Crosstree is, let alone a bunt line or deadeye without having to research the subject first.

 

This is a language all of its own that was known to a select few and even that fell out of use over a century ago for the most part, so you are not alone in needing a very specific type of dictionary and thesaurus to get to grips with the task ahead.

 

Simon 

Just to mention ... long ago, I downloaded as *.pdf George Bidddlecombe`s book Art of rigging  (1848) with 70-80 pages of nautic dictionary with terms and drawings, also book "Nautical terms for modelship builder" puiblished by www.modelshipbuilder.com, with 80 pages of terms and explanations ... and optimisticly started with learning ... but ... one to me unknown term is definied with  another one or two or more terms which are also unknown to me, so, digging for that one or two additional terms, I found them but ... explained with another one or two unknown terms ... etc etc 

So I gave up

9 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

NenadM

 

I believe these are known as Crosstrees. They are not a single piece but a construct of a number of pieces.  The piece below is normally on the side of the mast and are known as Cheeks, their purpose is to provide a support for the Trestletrees that run fore and aft either side of the mast. Cross trees would be set into these providing a base onto which a platform was built leaving a gap either side of the mast known as a lubbers hole. Bolsters were mounted on top either side to support the shrouds that would pass around the mast and down through the lubbers hole.

 

The holes you have made are for the upper shrouds either side and the running gear for the bunt lines on the front.

 

These are typical constructs that can be found described here on Model Ship World.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

Simon

 

Thank you Simon

Serbia is continental land without navy tradition, and in our language, there are not terms for all parts of rigging mast and yard details. That makes me some problems identifieing and naming details, remember their names, and manage how all it  works, on the way to decide about level of approximation and simplyfing. As I wrote earlier, in scale 1:100, cca 10 cm dia of deadeye on crosstrees are only 1m dia on model (with 3 holes !) which is impossible and meaningless to do. Also, white ropes which can be seen on photos are cca 1cm thick, which mean that on scale 1:100 it can be 0,1mm !!!! And can it all be really seen on model long 100 cm? I think - no. Althrough 6 this little beasts are seated UNDER crosstree, cca 15cm above deck, covered with sails, and nobody can really see them on model, and all that mess will be visually covered by bunch of sails and ropes of standing and running rigging.

But for that decision, it is impiortant to understand how all this works

MSW is great help for many questions that arrise here

Nenad

Next step

Micro ironing

And 12 little holes

I don't know right name for this little platform on mast.

Work drawing was made in AIllustrator, drawing over C-plan crop, using some photos in my collection to see what really happens there.
After diggin through whole house to find not too hard but not to soft metal for main construction, finally find old box for ciggarets, and started with attempth No 1
But, after few hours, everything looks better thanI expext, so one of next days I'll keep on with ironng foot of platform, covering with wood, drilling, mounting thousand little beasts, and painting

In the way to real dark side

Lower Fore Mast, preparing and analytic

Digged from C-plans

Go on!

13 hours ago, popeye the sailor said:

my Nenad........you've been busy..........you 'up' time,  as well as your 'down' time    her majesty is looking super......good to see you've begun to mast her!  

 

stay well my friend!

Hello Denis

I think you are familiar with things which happened to me - "monkey see monkey do" sindrom. Translated in simple words - You go where an attack of creativity leads you ... and here in my head there are many of that little sudden attacks. Beside I finally find rounded molds required for forwarding with masts, my "wooden eggs" passion dont let me peace

So, my fifth "woodenge egg" is running on its way, from one peace of wood

Good way and time to rethink about some mast problem which occupuies me from begining of making masts. It seem not to be great problem to make them in wood, also to put all parts and shackles ( I have succesful already done couple of simmilar little devils), but ...  max dia of main mast at the bottom is 9mm, another are thinner ... and thinner ... and thiner ... and there I have to put two rings arround on all three masts near deck - one with pins and other with hooks ... where a bunch of ropes have to be tied in ropeing stage of build. Pretty crowded, isnt it? That lead to another question - how much thin ropes would be, to assume right look and feel to bottom of mast. 0,1-0,2 mm ????

Hmm ...

Monkey (me) see, monkey (me) do ...

First Anubis went to one lady as birthday gift, but  ... I also want to have Anubis !!!

So, here is another one, doubled, 60x90 cm

Adn it is finaly time do leave my side projects and to return to her Majesty

On 7/4/2021 at 12:12 AM, rlb said:

Charles Green above said:  "In the category of power tools - none are needed".  This is true.  The trade-off is time and and patience.  I speak from experience.   A jeweler's saw, files, sandpaper, pliers, tweezers, eye magnification (if you are over 45), and glue can do a lot.  Unless you have money to burn, the first power tool I would recommend is a dremel/proxxon rotary tool.  They can be "spring-boarded" into many uses.

 

Ron

I agree !!!

Maybe - just start with your work, and your model will show you what tool you need in exact stage of build

And another side attack of creativity ...

(Her Majesty cried ...)

I wrote about flood in flat and replacement 50m2 parquet ... 

Somewhere i garage, there are still few leftovers of styrofoam 10mm, and from repairing day, I was wandering from time to time how to use them, and for what.

And, my mind wheels kicked out idea ... 

My living room was arranged in minimalsitic style, and it will be good to have something white monochromat with shadows playing on it. One day, I was reading something about ancient Egypt, and this picture appear ...

Hmmm ... not bad idea ...

I did neccessary drawings in AI, printed them ... and it stand couple of months in some corner waiting for realisation ( what glue to use, how to cut ... etc)

Yesterday I decided to try with fast glue for wood, and here is phase 1

Above all expectations!

Next stage - corrections and painting to white stone colour

And Her Majaesty is angry, now ...

Side project going forward

Learning with exercise in engraving, to become familiar with my dremel, until time to make Nanny comes

On 6/10/2021 at 11:22 PM, LeoM said:

Dear Nenad,

 

I have started reading your build log: what a tremendous job you are doing, both in making the best possible Cutty Sark ever and the prose you are writing. If one would print out your build log it would be the size of a telephone book, but not so boring. 😉

Keep up the good work and I will continue admiring your work.

 

Leo

Ps This should be my 10th post and I should be able to have my signature under my posts from now 🙂

 

 

You are to much kind, Leo. Thank you