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The dashed lines generally mean proposed alterations for RN service, and they were usually done, if time permitted. If the alterations had been made before the ship's plan had been been completed, then those lines would have been drawn solid. American, French and privateer internal accommodations were usually not up to Royal Navy standards, especially powder magazines. Siggi's right. If you want to make her the American Privateer with the name "Oliver Cromwell" under her stern windows, she will be a different ship internally, than if you build her as "HMS Beaver's Prize".
 
I don't know about tile magazine flooring, but historian Peter Goodwin reminds us "The doors and bulkheads were often lined with lead, or later with copper, to prevent sparks", in his "Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War". Perhaps the floor was sheathed to. It also prevented water and rat damage. Privateers often didn't have the time, or the extra money, to build such extra niceties.

The dashed lines generally mean proposed alterations for RN service, and they were usually done, if time permitted. If the alterations had been made before the ship's plan had been been completed, then those lines would have been drawn solid. American, French and privateer internal accommodations were usually not up to Royal Navy standards, especially powder magazines. Siggi's right. If you want to make her the American Privateer with the name "Oliver Cromwell" under her stern windows, she will be a different ship internally, than if you build her as "HMS Beaver's Prize".
 
I don't know about tile magazine flooring, but historian Peter Goodwin reminds us "The doors and bulkheads were often lined with lead, or later with copper, to prevent sparks", in his "Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War". Perhaps the floor was sheathed to. It also prevented water and rat damage. Privateers often didn't have the time, or the extra money, to build such extra niceties.

The dashed lines generally mean proposed alterations for RN service, and they were usually done, if time permitted. If the alterations had been made before the ship's plan had been been completed, then those lines would have been drawn solid. American, French and privateer internal accommodations were usually not up to Royal Navy standards, especially powder magazines. Siggi's right. If you want to make her the American Privateer with the name "Oliver Cromwell" under her stern windows, she will be a different ship internally, than if you build her as "HMS Beaver's Prize".
 
I don't know about tile magazine flooring, but historian Peter Goodwin reminds us "The doors and bulkheads were often lined with lead, or later with copper, to prevent sparks", in his "Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War". Perhaps the floor was sheathed to. It also prevented water and rat damage. Privateers often didn't have the time, or the extra money, to build such extra niceties.

That's not an apple. She caught one of the Frigate Alliance's round shot.
 
What an excellent job! 

Someone has crafty hands.
Excellent workmanship.
 
Dave R

That's not an apple. She caught one of the Frigate Alliance's round shot.
 
What an excellent job! 

That's not an apple. She caught one of the Frigate Alliance's round shot.
 
What an excellent job! 

That's not an apple. She caught one of the Frigate Alliance's round shot.
 
What an excellent job! 

Just thought I would share these incredible pictures of the figurehead for the Swan Class Sloop "Atalanta" by David Antscherl.  The figure is boxwood with a stem of swiss pear.  The brackets and trailboard carving are also boxwood.   Note the gold leafed apples.  Just stunning carving by hand and almost hard to believe possible at this scale.  Its so tiny.   I love the facial expression.....Mona Lisa smirk...    Enjoy!!!
 
The glass dome is just 4" in diameter.
 
Chuck
 

 

 

 

 

I believe that the wreck of HMS Kingfisher is lying in those very same waters.

I believe that the wreck of HMS Kingfisher is lying in those very same waters.

yes there is a lot of similarities betwen french and spanish ship  on 18th  century!
by the way on my french forum ,a modellers is building the "nepo" system gautier  with the work of alejandro ,a beauty:
 
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Thankyou friends for your interest.
 
Sorry Frolic , my study of San Juan Nepomuceno is only in pdf format, no book.
It is only an amateur  work. In the begining my interest was only to get info for detailing  Artesania Latina´s San Juan Nepomuceno kit.
 
I live in Madrid, so I can visit Spanish Naval Museum. There are not only model there, they also let free acces to the museum archives. Even is posible to  take freely photos of their books or manuscrips.  They also sell digital copys of shipplans kept there.
 
Spanish shipbuilding in XVIII century, after Gaztañeta died,  was heavily influenced by french, then by british, again by french, and latter developed into a own style represented by Romero Landa (Santa Ana, San Ildefonso, and others SOL). San Juan Nepomuceno was built in 1766 by french naval builder Gautier, who ruled shipbuilding from 1765 to 1783, if you study her lines and frames you will find  it similar to french warships of her age.
 
Fort the ones interested in spanish shipbuilding or naval history, here you have some usefull links. All of them written in spanish:
 
First of all, I suggest you to download the frigates book linked previously by Anaga. Is the best book ever written on that subjet.
 
Spanish Navy Museum in Madrid
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/ciencia_museo/prefLang_es/
 
Catalog of ship plans collection kept at Museo Naval de Madrid (is possible to order, at very low price, if you compare to NMM).
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/multimedia_galeria/prefLang_en/21_fotografia_historica--coleccion-planos-buques
 
Spanish navy ship plans (this time modern ones, downloadables)
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/mardigital_biblioteca/prefLang_es/17_modelismo-naval--02_planos-historicos-buques-armada
 
Miguel Godoy´s site. Godoy is chief modeller at Museo Naval de Madrid
http://www.miguelgodoy.es/
 
Spanish Navy´s History and Naval Culture Institute. Lot of interesting info here.
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/ciencia_ihcn/prefLang_es/
 
History magazine published by Spanish Navy´s History and Naval Culture Institute. You can download them
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/mardigital_revistas/prefLang_es/03_revistaHistoriaNaval--01_catalogoRevista
 
Monographic Issues of the same magazine. Also downloadable
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/mardigital_revistas/prefLang_es/04_cuadernosIH?_pageAction=first
 
Impressive photo gallery about real size reconstruction of XVI Century whaleship “San Juan”
https://www.flickr.com/photos/koldoaingeru/sets/72157647797885246/
 
Artiñano “clasic” book about Spanish wooden naval shipbuilding
http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000165122&page=1
 
Several downloadable books about spanish sailing ships. The ones about Galleons are a must have.
https://independent.academia.edu/CayetanoHormaecheaArenaza
 
Antonio Gaztañeta´s notebook written during the building of Galeon “Nuestra Señora de la Concepción y de las Animas”.
http://www.um.es/catedranaval/docs/Arte%20de%20fabricar%20Reales%20(original).pdf
 
Interesting text about Spanish XVIII century shipbuilding
https://pinake.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/navios-espanoles-del-siglo-xviii-i/
 
Encyclopedia of spanish shipbuilding of first half of XVIII century. A must have
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/multimedia_galeria/prefLang_en/21_fotografia_historica--coleccion-marques-victoria
 
http://www.um.es/catedranaval/docs/MDLV.pdf
 
Interesting downloadable book about history and building of spanish SOL at Trafalgar. It includes several plans
https://www.facebook.com/juancarlosmejiastavero/posts/426459410881239
 
Gautier´s wood regulations for building 70 guns ships
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/2022701/oai_rebae_mcu_es_178148.html?utm_source=api&utm_medium=api&utm_campaign=MOXSFEAGWV
 
Romero Landa´s wood regulation for building ships, from frigates to 100 gun ships
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/9200376/BibliographicResource_3000100245005.html?utm_source=api&utm_medium=api&utm_campaign=MOXSFEAGWV
 
Beautiful color plate of spanish SOL San Ildefonso, buit by Romero Landa
http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000185376
 
Downloadable book about spanish shipbuilder Romero Landa and his designs. A must have.
http://www.udc.gal/export/sites/udc/publicacions/_galeria_down/librariadixital/JoseRomeroFLanda.pdf
 
Downloadable book SOL Santísima Trinidad
http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/37296020/Santisima_Trinidad_140_Razones_para_la_historia.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ56TQJRTWSMTNPEA&Expires=1459167616&Signature=s1tQkQcWmckc6ZSIfio2pBuE5PY%3D&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B%20filename%3DSantisima_Trinidad_140_razones_para_la_h.pdf

Alejandro, is the “San Juan Nepomuceno” pamphlet a published book? Is it available to purchase in hard copy? I would buy one, even though I don't read Spanish. If not, I would urge you to do so. 
 
I have the NMM admiralty draughts of Lord Cochrane's beautiful HMS Imperieuse. She was formerly the captured Spanish Frigate Fama. (She has all her carvings in special, 1/24th scale drawings ! How rare is that for 1809?) I have always wondered how the Spanish shipwrights constructed their ships.
 
The Spanish shipwrights really liked flat floor timbers. Almost zero dead-rise!

Just a thought - an 18th century American would have had very little accurate idea of what a Sultana looked like. Anything exotic would probably have been good enough - possible involving flowing garments and some kind of turban?
 
Possibly something like the first and third ladies at http://thestreetballet.tumblr.com/post/57090904732/asianhistory-question-asks-hi-mrms-mod (warning - the second lady is NSFW) 

Alejandro, is the “San Juan Nepomuceno” pamphlet a published book? Is it available to purchase in hard copy? I would buy one, even though I don't read Spanish. If not, I would urge you to do so. 
 
I have the NMM admiralty draughts of Lord Cochrane's beautiful HMS Imperieuse. She was formerly the captured Spanish Frigate Fama. (She has all her carvings in special, 1/24th scale drawings ! How rare is that for 1809?) I have always wondered how the Spanish shipwrights constructed their ships.
 
The Spanish shipwrights really liked flat floor timbers. Almost zero dead-rise!

Hello to everybody
My name is Alejandro Yañez, from Spain; I registered in your forum several years ago, into  “reading only category”, as I´m a frustrated modeler (when children came, wife decided there was no room at home for all, and so my unfinished Artesania Latina´s “San Juan Nepomuceno” lies stored in a closet waiting for a better time,...)
 
While making the model I decided to improve my model, and began to investigate Spanish XVIII century shipbuilding. As model building had to stop, I continued with my studies about the real “San Juan Nepomuceno” and Spanish shipbuilding of her age.
The result of all this is a “booklet” about 300 págs. I decided to share my investigations with modelers community in Spain (Foro de Modelismo Naval), and now with you, as I think Spanish shipbuilding is little known outside Spain. You can download it from this link:
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47335803/Nepomuceno_foro.pdf
 
The work is divided in two parts, first one is “San Juan Nepomuceno” history, and the second covers the study of the ship. This one is supported with drawings and photos of models exposed in “Museo Naval de Madrid” (Spanish Navy Museum)  Most photos in my work are from an incredible detailed model there exposed, this is not the real “San Juan Nepomuceno”  but a contemporary model from the french shipbuilder François Gautier (designer and  builder of Nepomuceno), and  so, very useful to study Gautier building system in Spain (1765-1784), also known as “French fashion” in opposition to the previous one developed by Jorge Juan, known as “British fashion”.
 
There is one “big problem” ....is it´s written in Spanish!
 
Hope you like it
 
Alejandro,
 

You know your history well, Overdale. She was boarded and taken by HMS Ken.

Historian John Millar writes about the origins of the Oliver Cromwell, in his "Early American ships", p. 150:
 
'The late [Historian] Marion Brewington suggested that she had previously been a Philadelphia merchant ship called "Juno", while [author] V.R. Grimwood suggests that she was formerly a Rhode Island ship by the name of "Ye Terrible Creature". The figurehead of the lady could represent either of those former names, the latter being of course the first owner's wife, a joke entirely in keeping with the humor of the colonial period. Our own opinions, and it is no more than that, is that she was built in Providence about 1774. At the end of 1776, the Narragansett bay was occupied by a powerful British garrison and fleet at Newport which would have made it difficult to sail her in or out of Providence, so she was transferred to Philadelphia ownership and renamed "Oliver Cromwell" at that time.'

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Thanks,
 
bob Friedman

Thank you all, yet again.
 
Today's work was on the Hospital badge that is mounted high on the boat's stern over the upper transom.  The pictures are self-explanatory. At this scale the paintwork is more impressionistic than accurate! I'll be refining the shell on the fore side of the badge more.

Quite lovely! Well done!

Quite lovely! Well done!

Capt. Jack Aubrey: "Do you see those two weevils doctor?" 
 
Dr. Stephen Maturin: "I do." 
 
Aubrey: "Which would you choose? "
 
Maturin: "Neither; there is not a scrap a difference between them. They are the same species of Curculio." 
 
Aubrey: "If you had to choose. If you were forced to make a choice. If there was no other response... "
 
Maturin: "Well then if you are going to push me, I would choose the right hand weevil; it has significant advantage in both length and breadth." 
 
Aubrey: "There, I have you! You're completely dished! Do you not know that in the service, one must always choose the lesser of two weevils!"

Well, there she is, in full size and something like a weird memorial of the beautiful sailing frigate she may be, when finally finished.

First thing that had to be replaced was the carefully "tail docked" bowsprit I used in the earlier stages of the build.
As a working mast it had to be done completely new.

It may not be the easyest thing to start with, but it´s quite servicable. In the end you have to invent a convincing "look" for the rigg, something like a "used look" in my case.
 

The lower foremast in comparison to the drawing of the massiv 36gun mainmast.
 
In scale 1:48 at least some parts are exposed to permanent stress which could cause significant damage in the long run.

One of this fragil looking elements are the fighting tops. This is the maintop and the smaler mizzentop.

 

The "mouse" of the forestay as a workpiece and in action