bigcreekdad Posted March 14, 2015 #1 Posted March 14, 2015 I started this at the advice of several members after a failed attempt at my first POF build...The Hannah. So far, I think it was darned good advice. Hopefully, I'll complete it and will be pleased, and will then move on to another attempt at The Hannah. I chose cherry for the keel assembly and the frames. Not sure about the rest. I've got a nice supply of Swiss pear and boxwood, as well as some ebony and bloodwood (which looks intriguing). Not to mention plenty of cherry left. Any thoughts or suggestions from others are welcome. I'm posting today a pic of the keel assembly pieces, as well as completed frames 0 and 1. Hopefully more to follow. harvey1847 and Canute 2
mtaylor Posted March 14, 2015 #2 Posted March 14, 2015 You're off to a fine start and a log is the best way to get help and advice. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
harvey1847 Posted March 15, 2015 #3 Posted March 15, 2015 And another one that goes to the space!! My best wishes and happy modelling! Daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
Pete38 Posted March 17, 2015 #4 Posted March 17, 2015 Very nice start, looking forward to more Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
bigcreekdad Posted February 20, 2016 Author #5 Posted February 20, 2016 I have started, then scrapped my progress 4 times now. Lousy frame cutting, breaking frames, 3 tries coming up with an acceptable jig to get the frames to set at a good consistent 90 degrees.. I'm darn near ready to scrap it all again and start from scratch. Before this, I ended up scrapping a scratch build Hannah, and based on advice here, thought I'd give a cross section a try. I want to make another attempt at the Hannah someday, but I now realize fully well that if I can't master a cross section, I'm never going to be able to do a decent full scratch. A few questions....I've been using cherry for the frames. I don't know if I just have had some bad pieces (bought at Woodcraft), but my frames seem to break easily. at the joints. First question....is there another wood for the frames I might try. Second, I've not been tree nailing the frames where they overlap. Is this mandatory and would this cut down the breakage? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
mrjimmy Posted February 20, 2016 #6 Posted February 20, 2016 Could you post some pics of the breakages? I'm sure you would get a lot of help if members could see the problems........are they clean breaks (glue not adhering or being totally squeezed out)? We need to see the problem. What type of glue are you using? Treenails are not mandatory, but will surely strengthen the joints and this is recommended. Jim mtaylor and Canute 2
bigcreekdad Posted February 20, 2016 Author #7 Posted February 20, 2016 The breaks are not clean. Sadly, I have thrown them away. They are at the joints, but it breaks on the opposite side, and they are jagged. mtaylor 1
mtaylor Posted February 20, 2016 #8 Posted February 20, 2016 What are you doing when they break? I've used cherry for framing and also boxwood and both will break if mis-handled.. delicate things they be. Canute 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
bigcreekdad Posted February 21, 2016 Author #9 Posted February 21, 2016 MTaylor.... when they break I generally say a bad word. Uncle...I think most are lined with the grain, but, honestly, not sure.....maybe this is an issue. How about tree nailing? Canute 1
mtaylor Posted February 21, 2016 #10 Posted February 21, 2016 No. No. No... not after they break. Bad words and blue air are a given. What were you doing when they broke? Canute and mrjimmy 2 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
bigcreekdad Posted March 5, 2016 Author #11 Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Bit the bullet and rebuilt the broken frames. Required me to remove all frames from the keel, and thus build ,a new keel as well. All frames mounted, and added several spacers for holding proper spacing as well as added strength. All drying now. Will need to do some serious sanding to fare everything up. In the meantime, need some suggestions for the inner planking and decking. I'm going to use pear from the outer framing. I have some holly, and plenty of cherry, but would love to hear some thoughts from others. Edited March 5, 2016 by bigcreekdad Canute, yvesvidal, Pete38 and 2 others 5
bigcreekdad Posted March 14, 2016 Author #12 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Have faired and sanded inside and out. The photo suggests otherwise in places, but all ribs are pretty even on both sides. Still a minor amount to do, but I'm starting to cut the inner plants and flooring. Was going to do most of the inner in cherry, but I'm still having breakage problems. I've broken enough in this hobby to know these breaks are not from undue handling. Bought the cherry at Woodcraft. Might just have to buy from the suppliers others use on this sight. Decided to use walnut instead for at least the inner planking closest to the keel. BTW, the two pieces you see are not attached. Any way...Onward!! Edited March 15, 2016 by bigcreekdad UpstateNY, Pete38 and mtaylor 3
Pete38 Posted March 15, 2016 #13 Posted March 15, 2016 Looking Good, I have used cherry on my build and have not had any trouble with breakage, Maybe you got a bad batch or something. Canute and mtaylor 2 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
bigcreekdad Posted March 18, 2016 Author #14 Posted March 18, 2016 I was intending to use cherry for the inner planking, but yet another piece of cherry broke as I was feeding a piece into my Byrnes thickness sander. I'm convinced I picked up some bad cherry at Woodcraft. So, I decided to use walnut (also from Woodcraft). No problems with this, and layed 4 pieces. Wow...do I love the contrast of the walnut and the cherry! What do you think? Pete38, Gabek, Canute and 2 others 5
Pete38 Posted March 19, 2016 #15 Posted March 19, 2016 Like the contrast also, Looks nice. Will you clear coat to leave the natural color? mtaylor and Canute 2 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
rtropp Posted March 19, 2016 #16 Posted March 19, 2016 I have bought wood from Rockler. When I called about bad pieces they replaced them at no charge. woodcraft might do the same. Richard mtaylor and Canute 2 RichardMember: The Nautical Research Guild Atlanta Model Shipwrights Current build: Syren
bigcreekdad Posted March 19, 2016 Author #17 Posted March 19, 2016 Pete...not sure. I've tried gun oil on some test pieces and that brings out color as well. Ever try it? Canute 1
muzzleloader Posted March 20, 2016 #18 Posted March 20, 2016 bigcreekdad I use gun oil on my models. I have been using Woodstock Gun Oil. Don't think I can get anymore. It darkens the wood a little and brings out the grain, Also if you use several coats it leaves a bright finish but it can be buffed if you don't like the shine. Mark Canute 1 Current build Dom Fernando II E Gloria crossection Finished boats Portuguese Caravel Artenaval Yacht Mary Mamoli Mayflower M.S. H.M.S. Unicorn Corel Whaleboat Marine Model Co. Swift A.L. America (solid hull) Marine Model Co. Albatros Mantua U.S.S. Constitution Revell Spanish Galleon Revell
mtaylor Posted March 20, 2016 #19 Posted March 20, 2016 Mark, Isn't Woodstock Gun Oil the same as boiled linseed oil? I know we used to use linseed oil back the old days in the Marines for our wooden stocks. The description sounds like it. Canute 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
bigcreekdad Posted March 20, 2016 Author #20 Posted March 20, 2016 A few more planks added. Used cherry this time (a new piece, with no breakage problems). Need to decide at this point whether to continue with cherry, or alternate with walnut. Anyone have any opinions? Also, when cutting planks with the Byrnes saw, what blade do you use? robin b, Canute, UpstateNY and 2 others 5
mtaylor Posted March 21, 2016 #21 Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Here's a link that might help as the blade is dependent on wood thickness. Also if you do a search on Hobbymill and Byrnes (both terms) there a fair number of links with tips. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/1408-jeff-hayes-hobbymill-tips-on-milling-wood-link/?hl=%2Bhobbymill+%2Bbyrnes Edited March 21, 2016 by mtaylor Canute 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
bigcreekdad Posted March 27, 2016 Author #22 Posted March 27, 2016 a bit more progress GuntherMT, Pete38, Canute and 2 others 5
bigcreekdad Posted March 28, 2016 Author #23 Posted March 28, 2016 Hmm...this photo really emphasizes the color mismatch of the two outward walnut pieces...the ones next to where cherry begins again. Odd....I've used the same sheet of walnut. It bothers me....would you replace them? mtaylor and Canute 2
Pete38 Posted March 28, 2016 #24 Posted March 28, 2016 Myself, I kinda like the contrast and color variation. Bet when they were building the original they didn't throw any lumber away because of the color variation. With that said, if it bothers you replace it, if it pleased you keep it. Your build your choice, do what makes you satisfied. Gabek, mtaylor and Canute 3 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
mtaylor Posted March 28, 2016 #25 Posted March 28, 2016 I go along with what Pete said. Wood is wood and the color will vary even across the same piece. Run some sandpaper across that area (if you haven't already) and see if the color changes a bit. As wood ages with light and air flow, the color can change because of that. Canute 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
bigcreekdad Posted March 28, 2016 Author #26 Posted March 28, 2016 I'll take the advice given by both of you....thanks! Canute, mtaylor and Pete38 3
bigcreekdad Posted April 6, 2016 Author #27 Posted April 6, 2016 A bit more progress. This is the fun part. You can see that I needed a cheater piece. One rib out of whack, but replacing it is out of the question at this point. All will be covered anyway. Next time try I try one of these or, good God!, a full build I will have to be more of a perfectionist with the ribs. Canute, mtaylor, GuntherMT and 2 others 5
bigcreekdad Posted April 13, 2016 Author #28 Posted April 13, 2016 More Canute, GuntherMT, mtaylor and 1 other 4
Pete38 Posted April 13, 2016 #29 Posted April 13, 2016 Very nice joints, Looking good Canute and mtaylor 2 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
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