Bill Hime Posted October 22, 2016 Share #61 Posted October 22, 2016 I need to stop reading the thread " Can I live without a Byrnes table saw" before it convinces me that I need one. YES.....You do need one...end of story...That is all for now.. Bill Landlubber Mike, DocBlake, CharlieZardoz and 2 others 5 Quote Passion is Patience...and I am a carpenter in any scale. Current build; Endurance - 1:70 scale, Occre Current build; H.M.S. Surprise - 1796, 1:48 A L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted October 22, 2016 Share #62 Posted October 22, 2016 If you plan to stay with this hobby, you DO need a Byrnes saw! It will allow you to mill your own timbers, and free you forever from basswood parts! Crown Timberyard does a nice job supplying lumber, but at a cost, and they don't necessarily stock what you're looking for. Today I picked up a piece of katalox (AKA Mexican ebony) to use for wales and black strakes. It would be hard to find a scale timber supplier who could provide that! Hill202, Elijah, CharlieZardoz and 1 other 4 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted October 22, 2016 Share #63 Posted October 22, 2016 Do any of you guys use a plank bender like this? I bought it off that auction site ( not sure if I can reference that site here). I find that design esy to use for using in a fixture to clamping it into a vise and moving damp wood over the head to bend the piece. I hope my sister found and packed it away when She moved me. David B Elijah and Hill202 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share #64 Posted October 22, 2016 My attempt at repairing the window. I think it will be ok. It's sure stronger than it was. I believe I saw where these are painted anyway, if not I can touch it up. zoly99sask, GuntherMT and Elijah 3 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share #65 Posted October 22, 2016 I guess I need to document the mistakes to keep the log accurate. The port side is going to have to be shimmed...again. Robin Lous, zoly99sask, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 23, 2016 Share #66 Posted October 23, 2016 Joe, I did use something similar (but not identical) to that plank bender when I started on my first model, and it does work, but I was also using a lot of water (soaking and then using the hot electric bender). Since then I've switched to using the method used by Chuck Passaro with great success - You should be able to find a video in the planking subforum, but basically I bend using nothing but a heat-gun now, no water at all, and I'm quite happy with the results. Elijah 1 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #67 Posted October 23, 2016 Do the bottom of the stern frames, the curved part, form an arch underneath? or should they all be shimmed to form a straight line? If you go back and look at other's logs, you can see that it was done both ways. If the bottom of the frames form an arch, then the planks there will have a bow. I hope these pics help to clarify my question. Robin Lous, GuntherMT and Elijah 3 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #68 Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Zoltan ,if the counter forms an arch, why are your planks laying flat underneath? The problem I have is the frames need to be shimmed to fit in the window sills. I'm not sure how far down to take that shim or if I need to add shims to others to match. Looking at Brian's ship, it appears that his stern frames form a straight line across, with no arch. So, in other words, does the bottom of frame 3, hang lower that the bottom of frame 1? Edited October 23, 2016 by Hill202 Elijah 1 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #69 Posted October 23, 2016 This photo from Bob Hunt's practicum shows a slight arch. achuck49, Elijah and Robin Lous 3 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted October 23, 2016 Share #70 Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Joe: Take a look at the photos of the stern I posted on page 3 of this log. There is definitely an arc to the frames that form the transom and counter. Here's a look at the transom after final planking. Edited October 23, 2016 by DocBlake Elijah, zoly99sask, Hill202 and 2 others 5 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted October 23, 2016 Share #71 Posted October 23, 2016 Clay Feldman the former editor of SIS published a book on building the AVS along with a CD If I remember right. From what I have read it will steer you in the right direction. David B CharlieZardoz, zoly99sask, Hill202 and 1 other 4 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted October 23, 2016 Share #72 Posted October 23, 2016 Regarding the aeropiccola plank bender (the company which designed it), that's the one I and those in the Brooklyn group (including Dan Pariser) use. It's nice in that you have variation in how you extreme you can bend the planks however we don't bother with the attachment piece, it isn't necessary. Not sure why other plank benders don't have the same shape head it's extremely useful. Elijah, Robin Lous, zoly99sask and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted October 23, 2016 Share #73 Posted October 23, 2016 Here's a link to the Feldman CD. It is very useful for both the AVS and Fair American. http://www.seaways.com/CAFCD.html CharlieZardoz, dgbot, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #74 Posted October 23, 2016 Regarding the aeropiccola plank bender (the company which designed it), that's the one I and those in the Brooklyn group (including Dan Pariser) use. It's nice in that you have variation in how you extreme you can bend the planks however we don't bother with the attachment piece, it isn't necessary. Not sure why other plank benders don't have the same shape head it's extremely useful. The variations on the head are what caught my eye also. I was thinking the end with the sharp taper would be useful in making the extreme bends that are needed at the stern. The attachment is sort of odd. You have to set everything before you plug it in, it gets hot, just like the head. Elijah and CharlieZardoz 2 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #75 Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) I've never used that kind of plank bender. Joe. The really thin veneers don't really require anything more than a little soaking in water if you need them to turn sharply (lake the stern of the AVS). The first planking of the hull uses much thicker stock in general, but is softer wood and bends easily with soaking. For my second planking on "Independence" which is 1/32" thick, I'm using heat: just an old clothes iron. It works great! Dave, I have not read much of chapter 2 yet. I just assumed that's how you guys were bending the planks. Are you soaking the planks and clamping them wet and glueing when dry ? I think I read where Bob Hunt glues them wet with Ca glue. I want to avoid this if I can. I'd much rather work with the Titebond. Thanks for the link. That picture is the one I needed. There are very few photos that show that arch like that. Thanks. I believe I am back on track with it now. Edited October 23, 2016 by Hill202 Elijah 1 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted October 23, 2016 Share #76 Posted October 23, 2016 Joe: I soaked the first layer of planking for the bending. To glue the planks to the bulkhead I used a dab of Weldbond and a dab of CA glue (they play well together!) at each bulkhead. The moistened plank activated the CA for an immediate bond while the Weldbond sets up. No clamping! Try it on some scrap and see! CharlieZardoz and Elijah 2 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted October 23, 2016 Share #77 Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) The attachment is removable. It's supposed to be for keeping the plank in place but really not necessary. Aeropiccola is long gone but from what I can tell their version is still the fav of those who use electric benders. And thanks for that Feldman link Doc! Definitely future subjects of interest to me. I'd like them both 1/64 but that just means downscaling by exactly half, ezpz Edited October 23, 2016 by CharlieZardoz Hill202 and Elijah 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 23, 2016 Share #78 Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Do the bottom of the stern frames, the curved part, form an arch underneath? or should they all be shimmed to form a straight line? If you go back and look at other's logs, you can see that it was done both ways. If the bottom of the frames form an arch, then the planks there will have a bow. I don't have the plans handy to check, but I checked the fashion piece that I have running under that point on my model and it does have a very slight bow. It's slight enough that I had to hold a straight edge under it to verify it wasn't actually straight. No idea without going back and looking at the plans whether that's correct or not though. Keep in mind that I built the stern as much as I could based on the plans, against Bob's advice and the practicum, and I also included a fashion piece running along the bottom below the windows which is not part of the plans or the practicum, so mine is a bit unique in that area. Edited October 23, 2016 by GuntherMT Elijah, Hill202 and zoly99sask 3 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 23, 2016 Share #79 Posted October 23, 2016 Dave, I have not read much of chapter 2 yet. I just assumed that's how you guys were bending the planks. Are you soaking the planks and clamping them wet and glueing when dry ? I think I read where Bob Hunt glues them wet with Ca glue. I want to avoid this if I can. I'd much rather work with the Titebond. That technique works well for Bob (and Dave uses something similar), but I completely avoided the use of CA as much as possible in my model, even when doing the first planking layer, as I didn't want to get into 'bad habits' (my personal thing, obviously it works great for some). CA will make bad stains on some woods, so I just wanted to avoid it completely since I intended from the beginning to leave my hull natural, so wouldn't be able to cover up any CA stains with paint. If you find the area where I'm working on planking in my log, I describe my system of using PVA (Titebond original) only, and how I personally believe that it adheres quickly to not need to use CA at all in 99% of the situations I ran into while planking. Quick summary - put a super thin layer of PVA onto both the plank you are attaching, as well as the surface it will be attached to. Because the layer of PVA is so thin, it will dry and tack up almost immediately so that the first piece you apply it to (in my case that was generally the plank itself) will appear to be dry when you've finished applying a thin layer to the target spot. At that point you put the plank into position and apply it with as firm of pressure as you can manage with your fingers for a few seconds, and bam.. it's glued in place. For applying the thin layer, I would run a small bead of glue along the plank, and then use the flat end of a scrap plank to spread it along the plank until there were no spots that were still colored like yellow glue, and instead it was just a super thin clear layer of glue. The key to making this work of course is that you need to get the plank fitting all done prior to using glue. Using heat only, I would get the plank bends to match the location it was going to go (and of course sanding/trimming as needed) as closely as possible so that the plank would not have any stress placed on it once it was tacked in position. Guess it just goes to show you that there are as many ways for gluing planks in position as there are modelers doing it. Hill202, Elijah, DocBlake and 1 other 4 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #80 Posted October 23, 2016 Thanks Brian. I have been playing around with it and practicing bends. I'll come up with a technique using a combination of all these tips. I was concerned about the planks shrinking as well. I have noticed that when you bend a plank wet and pin it until its dry, it really holds its position well. Robin Lous, Elijah and zoly99sask 3 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelB Posted October 23, 2016 Share #81 Posted October 23, 2016 Joe with regards to the stern framing, I checked my plans and page two has two images that look to show different things to me. 2-G looks to show the window frames looking straight across. But image 2-J shows a slight arch in the actual planking. I personally like the flat look so I tried to get the frames as flat as I could. If I recall this kit is not based off a specific ship so I chose to go for the line that I thought looked better. Anyways thats my two cents. Hill202 and Elijah 2 Quote Michael Current build: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways Completed builds: Indian Girl Canoe - Midwest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share #82 Posted October 23, 2016 Joe with regards to the stern framing, I checked my plans and page two has two images that look to show different things to me. 2-G looks to show the window frames looking straight across. But image 2-J shows a slight arch in the actual planking. I personally like the flat look so I tried to get the frames as flat as I could. If I recall this kit is not based off a specific ship so I chose to go for the line that I thought looked better. Anyways thats my two cents. You're right, the plans do seem to show 2 different things. Mine is going to have a slight arc. I'm working with the last window now. Elijah and Robin Lous 2 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share #83 Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) The windows are framed in. I'm glad that there are only 4, more sanding was done between shots. The photo shows my arc is lopsided. I believe I can fair most of that out. Edited October 24, 2016 by Hill202 Ryland Craze, GuntherMT, dgbot and 3 others 6 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share #84 Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Worked on the arc some. The windows look rough. I will work on smoothing them, when I get ready to paint them. It is still a little off. I'll come back to it. I'm "sterned" out for now. Edited October 24, 2016 by Hill202 Elijah, dgbot, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share #85 Posted October 24, 2016 Thanks Zoltan. Thanks for all your help also. zoly99sask and Elijah 2 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share #86 Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Are you guys using that table saw to taper the planks? or just a knife? I can't imagine that blade is thin enough to rip a plank or is it? Edited October 24, 2016 by Hill202 Elijah and zoly99sask 2 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted October 24, 2016 Share #87 Posted October 24, 2016 You can use a table saw with a taper jig, there are blades thin enough. I just use a knife a/o a sanding block. I usually always also sand a slight bevel to the tapered side of the planks Elijah and zoly99sask 2 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted October 25, 2016 Share #88 Posted October 25, 2016 Joe: Your transom is looking very nice! I use a #11 blade and a sanding block to taper planks. Elijah 1 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 25, 2016 Share #89 Posted October 25, 2016 I tapered all of my planking with a #11 Xacto blade and/or sandpaper. I also beveled all the planks with sandpaper. Elijah and Hill202 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill202 Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share #90 Posted October 25, 2016 Joe: Your transom is looking very nice! I use a #11 blade and a sanding block to taper planks. Thanks Dave. I have a band saw. I used it to rough cut the bow filler blocks and it did ok, not great. I can see where I would use a scroll saw more than a table saw. Elijah 1 Quote Joe Current build: Armed Virginia sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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