Moxis Posted February 17, 2017 #1 Posted February 17, 2017 My build of Le Cerf is nearing the phase when I have to start rigging the ship's cannons. There are 16 pcs 6 pounders and 2 pcs 8 pounders on the deck, but unfortunately the plans lack completely their rigging. Because of this I wonder if any of you might give me a link or tutorial to show how these are rigged in the correct way. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote
G. Delacroix Posted February 17, 2017 #2 Posted February 17, 2017 You have to rig your cannons as in this photo to the reserve of only one tackle in the back. The dimensions of the elements are as follows (guns of 6 / guns of 8), real dimensions to scale for your model - single and double block: 175mm/200 mm - rope of tackle: diameter: 17mm/20 mm - breeching: diameter : 32mm/47 mm GD Captain Poison, mtaylor, Tadeusz43 and 10 others 13 Quote ___________________ Marine et modélisme d'arsenal Website
Moxis Posted February 17, 2017 Author #3 Posted February 17, 2017 Extraordinary, what a wonderful picture. Thanks a lot G. Delacroix mtaylor, thibaultron and Canute 3 Quote
John Garnish Posted March 11, 2017 #4 Posted March 11, 2017 I have never before seen a breeching rope that goes through the gun carriage rather than round the cascabel. How common was this? The wear rate must have been terrific. thibaultron 1 Quote John Past Builds: Diorama, Washington & Philadelphia - 1776. 1:144 scale scratch build Sir Edward Hawke - Schooner, 1776. 1:72 scale scratch build from H Hahn plans Matthew - 1497. 1:25 scale scratch build from Colin Mudie plans Mediterranean Cog - 1343. 1:40 scale scratch build from Xavier Pastor plans Nonsuch - 1650. 1:32 scale Aeropiccola kit Caustic - gunboat, 1776 . 1:36 scale scratch build Member of the Nautical Research Guild
mtaylor Posted March 11, 2017 #5 Posted March 11, 2017 Very common on the French ships. I'm not sure why but that seems to be the way they did it. Eddie, davyboy and thibaultron 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
roach101761 Posted March 11, 2017 #6 Posted March 11, 2017 I too am surprised about the breaching rope. What is the purpose of the cascabel if not to secure the breaching rope. I do not think that it can add to the strength of the barrel. Does anyone know? thibaultron 1 Quote Phil Roach Former Director, Nautical Research Guild Member Shipmodeler's Guild Southwest Florida
mtaylor Posted March 11, 2017 #7 Posted March 11, 2017 I presume the cascabel was there as the same/similar cannons were used by the army and fortifications? Then again... thibaultron 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
jud Posted March 11, 2017 #8 Posted March 11, 2017 Balance, good handhold, also a good place to lash rigging to while moving or securing the gun and Uncle Carly tied his teeth to them while sleeping, being a good fiddle player, allowances were made for him. jud trippwj, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote
G. Delacroix Posted March 11, 2017 #9 Posted March 11, 2017 Hello, In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and probably before, in France, the cannons were all rigged in this way. The breeching passes through the gun carriage. The through holes are worked accordingly by rounding the edges. GD thibaultron, mtaylor and Eddie 3 Quote ___________________ Marine et modélisme d'arsenal Website
John Garnish Posted March 11, 2017 #10 Posted March 11, 2017 Thank you, Georges. I am a great fan of ANCRE and your group, so I am sure that you are correct. I'm just surprised that I had never seen this before. Entirely my own fault - I have had a copy of "The 74 Gun Ship" since soon after it was published, and there it is - clearly shown in Fig.197 - but I had never noticed its significance. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote John Past Builds: Diorama, Washington & Philadelphia - 1776. 1:144 scale scratch build Sir Edward Hawke - Schooner, 1776. 1:72 scale scratch build from H Hahn plans Matthew - 1497. 1:25 scale scratch build from Colin Mudie plans Mediterranean Cog - 1343. 1:40 scale scratch build from Xavier Pastor plans Nonsuch - 1650. 1:32 scale Aeropiccola kit Caustic - gunboat, 1776 . 1:36 scale scratch build Member of the Nautical Research Guild
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