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Hello all

 

Ever since I was a child and start modelling I have the dream to someday build the Swedish warship Vasa in wood. Early attempts were the Airfix plastic Vasa and the not so good Igra Vasa (See this link

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/14339-help-to-identify-vasa-kit/ ). Non of them were finished and the Airfix Vasa exploded by a fire cracker if I remember right and the Igra kit was actually never started. My wooden kit building started when I was working in Russia some years ago. In a very boring moment I actually ordered the Billing Boat Vasa but when I come home it ended up at the shelf since I realised it was totally over the top for me at the moment. So I bought and build the J-Class Endeavour instead just to learn (link in my signature). This build really got me hooked and I started on Sherbourne (other link in signature) to learn building period ships. It was then it come, the DeAgostini Vasa as a Monthly subscription. At the beginning I hesitated since no finish models exist but after following Puckotreds Vasa ( http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/13616-vasa-by-puckotred-deagostini-scale-165/ ) I was convinced. I haven't started it until now since I was waiting for all the parts for the false keel.

However I have start the build now and I will post the photos below to show how far I have come. I also must say that the quality so far, especially the figures is very good. I hop you will enjoy the build and have patience since it take 3 years to get all the parts. I will also not post a photo over every delivering since Mr Pucko does that.

 

 

The wooden parts I have so far.

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And the figures.

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This is Billing Boats stand for building. Little bit modified...

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This was what I was waiting for. To be able to glue togheter the false keel part and get it straight.

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Some initial sanding just in case :)    

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Mounted on the building stand.....  

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.......and test fitted with the Sherbourne Inside (same scale more or less) :) 

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First painting of figures. I will redone this since I have learned that a black gloss coat as primer is way better for the metal look of AK extreme metal. I will show the difference later.

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Too bad that I will remove the colour and repaint it. But it shows the detail of the metal parts.

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And now the building starts (2 days ago). Lego Duplo  is so good to use for framing :) 

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The result from the side......

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.....and from the front. Really nice fit of everything.

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And this photo is from yesterday. The fit is perfect.

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And this is how far I have got at the moment.

 

Best Regards

Jörgen

 

 

 

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Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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I follow also

Good luck with your model.

 

Groetjes

Greetings

Regards, Patrick

 

Finished :  Soleil Royal Heller 1/100   Wasa Billing Boats   Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch)   Pelican / Golden Hind  1/45 scratch

Current build :  Mary Rose 1/50 scratch

Gallery Revell Bounty  Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch

To do Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal 

 

Shore leave,  non ship models build logs :  

ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72    Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72   Autoblinda AB40 1/72   122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72   10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e)  Centurion Mk.1 conversion   M29 Weasel 1/72     SAM6 1/72    T26 Finland  T26 TN 1/72  Autoprotetto S37 1/72     Opel Blitz buses 1/72  Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72   Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72    

Modern Russian vehicles 1/72

 

Si vis pacem, para bellum

 
 
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Jörgan,

 

Welcome (:-) I will also bring a chair to your shipyard. This Deagostini kit is still NOT available for the USA market hmmm? Your start looks very good.

 

Cheers,

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

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Thank you all :)

Rossi46 I want t have better metal shine and if I use gloss black as primer, I will get it because it will be a mirror effect. I will show you photos on it later.

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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Ah, at last... I'm not alone anymore. 

 

And you're off to a good start.

 

I would recommend you go ahead with your plan on using longer planks on the hull. its a pain with 30cm bits. Although the bamboo is very easy to bend, it's hard getting 3 planks to lay in a straight line.

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Yes it is weird with those short planks. Will see what I do in the first layer. If they works I will use them. But I am thinking of replacing the second layer (I hope they do it in that way, I will even if they don't) with some quality wood. See what I can buy and the price for it. I really want to do it in Swiss pear if I can. I hope it is possible to buy in Europe so I don't have to buy in us since shipping is expensive. We will see, maybe DeAgostini surprise me... 

 

 

 

 

 

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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Issue 43 will have the first planks for the second layer. And rumor has it that the instructions for this start in issue 48.... But I think that it's the same sort of wood :(

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Hello

 

A small update on the build. Continue the main structure work with some parts every evening. Not so much to show actually, only a lot of plywood parts, but I am really enjoying it. So far the fit of the parts are perfect. I also think it is much easier to not to follow the order in the instructions. Just put in on a build stand, get the false keel straight and take it from there. So start the build when you have received around 20 packages.  :) 

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The Lego again. So useful.

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Some force is needed to glues these part at the stern together (the clamps at the right). It is supposed to be like that so its no bad fitting. 

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The most challenging so far was to bend these thick plywood sheets for gun supports. But a plank bender did the work quite well.

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Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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109 cm long and 86 cm high. More or less same size as HMS Vanguard from Victory Models or HMS Diana from Caldercraft.  

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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This morning I repainted the lions and the weapon shield. After cleaning of the paints from the parts they looked like this

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I use Tamiya X1 Black mixed with Mr Leveling thinner and the mix is around 40/60. The gold paint is AK interactive extreme metal gold (directly from bottle) and all is applied by my Harder & Stenbeck Revolution Silver Line with 0.2 needle.

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The X1 black and MR thinner result in a very nice gloss black coat and this will have a mirror effect on the gold.

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The gold is sprayed on and I must say that this paint is very good to use and is way more forgiving to use than Alclad II. Here is the result in white light

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and in yellow light

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I am really happy with the result and I think it is a improvement over the old painting  

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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I think the gold will be brighter but I think you lose the deep and the "mirror"

effect. But I haven't tryed it. I didn't know that about red base for gold leaf. Interesting :) 

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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Hello again

Here is the finished national coat of arm. I am really happy about it and I think it better than the first one I did.

 

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And here is a idea how the real size is. Really difficult to paint all the small details.

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This is how far I am on the ship itself. I must give the advise to other people that might to build this ship and this is to wait to glue all the frames to the gun supports until all of the parts for the upper false deck has arrived. I ended up in a situation were the frames didn't fit the precuts in the false decks. So I had to bend the frames lose and refit them.IMG_1196.thumb.JPG.8dfea59ba1a01fd0233a4ef19b97722f.JPGIMG_1195.thumb.JPG.d69170d91ea14fcf7406330813f6fada.JPGIMG_1194.thumb.JPG.a7b9856336c68f9ce12f4298aecb8fbf.JPG   

Now must I wait for other deck parts to arrive so over to paint more figures.

 

 

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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Passer, I can see with your willingness to re-work your frames until they are right, and the care and attention with which you are doing your paint work that this is going to be a really good model.  I'm really excited to see this one through!

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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I've recommended this to a builder on a separate thread, but have you picked up the book Vasa by Fred Hocker?  This is an invaluable resource for anyone modeling the ship.  She is beautifully photographed and her entire origin story, loss, recovery, restoration, structure and iconography is described with amazing clarity.

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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Thank you Hubac 😊. I have that book and I also just bought the Vasa 1. The DeAgostini paint instructions is not so good in my opinion so I follow the photos on the 1:10 Vasa model. An even better place to find photos is here:

https://digitaltmuseum.se/search/?context=photograph&aq=text%3A"vasa"%2C"modell" owner%3A"S-SMM-VM"&o=0&n=224

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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Hey howya goin Jörgen, love the way you did those golden National coat of arm, must try this when i get this ship.

I'm probably not going to live long enough to build all these but I'm BLOODY going to try HAHAHA.

 

Future Builds: The Schooner Bluenose, scale 1:48, POF Scratch Build (Gene Bodnar practicum - Plans from modelshipbuilder.com)

                       HMS Victory, scale 1:64 or 1:48, POF Scratch Build (John McKay's plans)

                        

Current Builds: 42ft Longboat Armed for War 1834, scale 1:36 POF Scratch Build (Plans from A.N.C.R.E.) 

                        Galley Washington 1776, scale 1:48, POF Scratch Build (NRG's Plans)

                        Ragusian Carrack, scale 1:59, POB kit (MarisStella)

                        King of the Mississippi, scale 1:80, POB Kit (Artesania Latina)

                        HMS Snake 1797, 18 Gun Sloop of War, scale 1:64, POB Kit (Jotika/CalderCraft)

 


Current Build: Stage Coach 1848, scale 1:10, Kit (Artesania Latina) Shhh don't tell the Admins I'm building this I'll hide it here ^under this line^ so they don't see it HAHAHA.

                       

 

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Hey howya goin Jörgen, how are you finding the Wasa by DeAgostini, is it a good kit?

I'm probably not going to live long enough to build all these but I'm BLOODY going to try HAHAHA.

 

Future Builds: The Schooner Bluenose, scale 1:48, POF Scratch Build (Gene Bodnar practicum - Plans from modelshipbuilder.com)

                       HMS Victory, scale 1:64 or 1:48, POF Scratch Build (John McKay's plans)

                        

Current Builds: 42ft Longboat Armed for War 1834, scale 1:36 POF Scratch Build (Plans from A.N.C.R.E.) 

                        Galley Washington 1776, scale 1:48, POF Scratch Build (NRG's Plans)

                        Ragusian Carrack, scale 1:59, POB kit (MarisStella)

                        King of the Mississippi, scale 1:80, POB Kit (Artesania Latina)

                        HMS Snake 1797, 18 Gun Sloop of War, scale 1:64, POB Kit (Jotika/CalderCraft)

 


Current Build: Stage Coach 1848, scale 1:10, Kit (Artesania Latina) Shhh don't tell the Admins I'm building this I'll hide it here ^under this line^ so they don't see it HAHAHA.

                       

 

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Hello WoW goblin eddie😊

So far it is a very good kit. I also have billing vasa so I can compare the details and they don't play in the same league. Highly recommended.

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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Jörgen

 

Nice update, along with very informative advice. Your paint-work is very good. IMO finally, I believe that your kit will be THE Vasa kit to own. 

Billings was the best before, Corel as most know was very weak. It will be interesting to see what the rigging instructions will look like. As you know this has been one of the “grey” areas for those of us building a Vasa from the three main available kits.

 

 Last week I contacted DeAgostini – below are their response. I’m posting it here since you are building this specific Vasa, and for your followers who may be interested in the USA market.

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Dear Michael,
 

We have not been made aware of plans to introduce this model through
Model Space USA. I will forward your email off as a suggestion as a
model for us to introduce in the future. I also encourage you to
subscribe to our monthly news-letter at the bottom of the Model Space
website so you can be made aware when new models are being introduced. 

If you have any other questions, or if I can be of any further
assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me again.

Regards,

Danny H
DeAgostini Customer Care
Model Space: 877-544-6779

www.deagostiniusa.com 

 

Also, I did read that Fred Hocker noted, responding to the same question, that the month-by-month kits in the USA market do not sell very well. Most kit purchasers prefer the entire kit at once.

He further stated that when this Vasa kit ships its last package to subscribers, the kit would then be complete, and its possible that the complete issue will be offered for sale in N America.

 

Cheers,

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

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I just visited that link to the digital museum of the 1:10 Vasa model, and it's interesting; it appears that the carvings are all carved from some form of plastic or polymerized clay.  When I saw this model, in person, back in 1998 (circa), the carvings had not yet been painted.  I had always assumed that they had been carved from wood.  I would love to know what the museum modelers used for their carving substrate, as I am debating carving ornament for my current build out of styrene, or polymerized clay, or both - depending upon the application.

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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Some damn good painting there Jörgen. I had the same problem with the frames, thought it was me doing everything wrong... :D

Have you got your March shipment yet?

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Thank you Mr Pucko:dancetl6: and no, I have not got the March shipment yet. Have to paint figures and continue on my Sherbourne while waiting.

Danny, I am not so much thinking on the rigging instructions since I probable will use Vasa 2 for that if it arrives in near future (i hope..). This is Freds Hockers answer on he issue:

 

"Hej Jörgen,
The current status is the same as it was about a year ago. I have text and illustrations ready t go, but the Swedish state system requires expenditures this large (layout, printing and distribution) to go out for tender, and our tendering department has been having a problem formulating the terms. I had the latest in a long series of meetings on this last week, not sure when this will move forward. Once the tender is out (April???), it will take about three months to complete the bidding process to select a publisher, and then about six months to produce the book. I will let everyone know once we have a publisher. At least on this schedule, the book should be out before the DeAgostini kit gets to the rigging stage!

Fred"

 

Hubac, I don´t know anything about the carving on the 1:10 Vasa but use this link and register. Then can you ask Fred Hocker about it :)

http://warshipvasa.freeforums.net/

 

 

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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Jorgen, thanks for the link.  I will reach out to him.  So, I had some time to look into this D'Agostini kit, this weekend, and am just now coming to the realization of just how different this kit is from Billings or anything else.  The finished model, what little I can find of it, is REALLY impressive; it looks to be truly museum quality.  Although, I was also reading through Pucko's log and it seems as though quality was great until the first planking underlayment.  This made me wonder what, if anything, you intend on replacing and/or making from scratch.  the installment nature of the build makes it a little more difficult to make a fair assessment of what you would be better served by replacing.  Wondering what your thoughts are at this stage of the build.

 

Regards,

 

Marc

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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I will use the supported wood as first layer but I most probably will replace the second layer (If DeAgostini don't surprise with really good wood...). The ship is already expensive but I think it deserves better wood (even of the cost). It will probably be Castello boxwood or swiss pear. Havn't seen these wood In real life so can't decide on the colour. But I want the colour to be similar to the oak colour on the 1:10 vasa. And I want to build with quality wood. I have replaced the wood on my Sherbourne with better Walnut and it is so much more fun to build. I must also find were to buy it. Sad the shipping rate is so expensive from the states.

Jörgen
 
Current:  Sherbourne - Caldercraft 1/64

            Vasa - DeAgostini 1/65
Finished: Endeavour - Americas Cup J class 1934 - Amati 1/80

Other:    Airplanes and Tanks

 

 

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I have no experience with boxwood, but I carved a cane handle out of American pear, once.  The wood was amazingly dense and difficult to carve, but I hadn't much experience in relief carving, at that point, so my lack of knowledge was a factor.  As for planking material, as long as it bends well, I think the tight grain and color would make for a very nice finished surface.  I know the model is expensive, but a little extra for premium wood will be well worth it, IMO.  You won't regret the added expense, but there is a strong likelihood that you would regret using sub-standard wood, in the hope that sanding and finish will bring it up to par.

 

What was nice about that cane handle was how it oxidized over time.  Will you be filling in between bulkheads, with balsa, for a smoother first run of planks?

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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