AnobiumPunctatum Posted February 4, 2018 #31 Posted February 4, 2018 Hi Alan, have a look in Goodwin. You can use the 3 or 4 but shift system for the planking of the deck mtaylor and knightyo 2 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
rdsaplala Posted February 5, 2018 #32 Posted February 5, 2018 You could also have a look at TFFM vol. 2 by David Antscherl. It contains some pretty detailed planking diagrams for the decks including the "hooked" planks as they go towards the bow and stern. mtaylor, AnobiumPunctatum and knightyo 3 Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
knightyo Posted February 6, 2018 Author #33 Posted February 6, 2018 Thanks guys! It turns out that I have neither resource. I thought I had Goodwin, but Goodwin turned out to be Lavery as well as Longridge... I'll look though both a bit more today to see if either has diagrams. They are both for ships of the line tho... I would "think" the planking principles would be the same as for frigates? Alan mtaylor 1 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
rdsaplala Posted February 8, 2018 #34 Posted February 8, 2018 I can't speak for Lavery and Longridge since I have no copy of these two books. So instead, I just uploaded a sample of a 4- and 3 butt-shift system as well as a sample of hooked planks that I saved from one of the earlier threads in this forum. If I remember correctly, there was some spirited discussion in that thread as to whether planks are nibbed or hooked, but most contemporary models in the same period as Triton support the "hooked" planks as shown in my upload. GrandpaPhil, Jorge Diaz O and mtaylor 3 Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
AnobiumPunctatum Posted February 8, 2018 #35 Posted February 8, 2018 The drawing is from Goodwins book. Have you further pictures of the model? I see very interesting details here and like to see more mtaylor 1 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
rdsaplala Posted February 8, 2018 #36 Posted February 8, 2018 Hi Christian, Unfortunately, I only got the pictures from Chuck's post in the discussion below: The first contemporary model is of the frigate Winchelsea and I think the second one is Minerva. Perhaps Chuck has some other high resolution pictures of these, the low resolution pictures can be seen at the RMG website: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66277.html mtaylor and AnobiumPunctatum 2 Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
knightyo Posted February 8, 2018 Author #37 Posted February 8, 2018 Aldo, thank you so much for that information! I had assumed 100% that I'd be nibbing the planks, and would have done so if I had not seen your post. Alan mtaylor 1 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
rdsaplala Posted February 8, 2018 #38 Posted February 8, 2018 No problem, Alan, I'm glad to be of help. Sorry for cramming 2 large pictures on your log, I'm still learning the present format of attaching files, and I can't seem to find an option of placing a small attachment icon that would only show the picture once you click it mtaylor 1 Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
mtaylor Posted February 9, 2018 #39 Posted February 9, 2018 14 hours ago, rdsaplala said: No problem, Alan, I'm glad to be of help. Sorry for cramming 2 large pictures on your log, I'm still learning the present format of attaching files, and I can't seem to find an option of placing a small attachment icon that would only show the picture once you click it No such critter this time, Aldo. They come in big and if you upload to the max, they kit out and open a new window (in Chrome at least) of the full size picture. Easy on the eyes it is. rdsaplala 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
rdsaplala Posted February 9, 2018 #40 Posted February 9, 2018 4 hours ago, mtaylor said: No such critter this time, Aldo. They come in big and if you upload to the max, they kit out and open a new window (in Chrome at least) of the full size picture. Easy on the eyes it is. Thanks for the info, Mark, I appreciate it mtaylor 1 Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
knightyo Posted February 9, 2018 Author #41 Posted February 9, 2018 I've been trying to order the maple planking from Woodprojectsource for two days now, but keep getting the message that the site is down for maintenance. It's a little like torture! lol. I think I'll draw out a sample planking pattern on the templates, and run it by you guys for your thoughts. Alan rdsaplala and mtaylor 2 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
Jasseji Posted August 1, 2018 #42 Posted August 1, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 2:24 PM, knightyo said: I've been trying to order the maple planking from Woodprojectsource for two days now, but keep getting the message that the site is down for maintenance. It's a little like torture! lol. I think I'll draw out a sample planking pattern on the templates, and run it by you guys for your thoughts. Alan Alan, what wood did you use for the inside planking (wood type, thickness, width) ? Jacek Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64
knightyo Posted August 1, 2018 Author #43 Posted August 1, 2018 Hi Jacek, I've used basswood (I think it's known as limewood in your area?) for everything so far, since it's so easy to shape/sand. It's a great "filler" type of wood. I'll be using pear wood however, for anything visible, and maple for the deck planking. I do think a person could probably plank the entire lower decks with 1/8" x 1/16" basswood/limewood planks, as they wouldn't be as visible, and could easily be stained. They are very inexpensive, pre-cut, and easy to use. In fact, a person could build the entire ship in basswood/limewood, and stain/paint to their preference. I just really like the look of pear wood, and how it can be treated to look "old". I also do still intend on posting a sample deck planking pattern for people to critique when I'm able to start building again. One or more of the templates in the cross-section download area shows a view of the ends of the planks so you can scale the templates to 1:64 and measure the correct thickness/width. Alan mtaylor 1 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
Jasseji Posted August 1, 2018 #44 Posted August 1, 2018 uhm, thanks. I'm going for now ith 1.5x5mm Lime for the Hull planking, for the decks i have Tanganika and i am trying to decide what to use for internal hull planking (i thought lime too but maybe 1mm then) mtaylor 1 Jacek Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64
Chuck Posted August 1, 2018 #45 Posted August 1, 2018 Wood Project source is no longer in business. They just havent taken the website down yet. For really great maple stock. Use http://www.ocoochhardwoods.com Just send them an email with the list of thicknesses you need if they arent shown in their store. The wood is very good. Great prices. I wont offer Cherry or Maple because this guy and a few others like National Balsa offer great product at prices I cant compete with in teh US. Just an FYI. Chuck Jorge Diaz O and mtaylor 2 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
knightyo Posted August 2, 2018 Author #46 Posted August 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Chuck said: Wood Project source is no longer in business. They just havent taken the website down yet. For really great maple stock. Use http://www.ocoochhardwoods.com Just send them an email with the list of thicknesses you need if they arent shown in their store. The wood is very good. Great prices. I wont offer Cherry or Maple because this guy and a few others like National Balsa offer great product at prices I cant compete with in teh US. Just an FYI. Chuck Thanks Chuck! (I haven't forgotten about Syren either). 😊 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
knightyo Posted August 14, 2018 Author #47 Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) Ok, I should have the opportunity tomorrow to draw out the Lower Deck planking pattern.... Chuck's Confederacy plans call for a single plank to run down the center of the deck, and planking outward from the "king" plank to both sides to the bulwarks. What is the general consensus for Triton? Would it have had the king plank in the center? As I look at the cross section midships .pdf, it looks like there is not a king plank in the center.... Alan Edited August 15, 2018 by knightyo mtaylor 1 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
knightyo Posted August 15, 2018 Author #48 Posted August 15, 2018 Looks like Danny incorporated a king plank as well. I don't think I can go wrong following his and Chuck's lead, and will start drawing the decking plan accordingly. Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
knightyo Posted August 18, 2018 Author #49 Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) So I had a bit of fun the other day drawing out the deck planking. I felt that 1/8" planks were a reasonable width, so went with that. I can't remember if I'd mentioned before why I'm planking the lower deck, as it won't be able to be seen due to the upper decks. The reasoning behind this is that I believe I need the practice. It will also be a chance to experiment with new wood, and to experiment with methods of trennailing. If I don't like the finished look, I can modify things for the upper decks, and only we will know! With the end of the planks =1/3 of the plank width and the length of snipe = less than twice the width of the plank, I ended up with the below result incorporating the king plank. But.... I didn't narrow the planks as they moved towards the stem/stern. If I had done so, they would be awfully narrow as they ended. Thoughts? Would it be truly inaccurate to plank the deck without narrowing the planks at the ends? It would be pretty easy for me to erase things and start over. I really do want the planking to be as accurate as possible. (I haven't yet drawn the scarfs in the margin planks, or corrected the ultra-thin planks against the margin plank in the mid ship sections. Also have not yet determined whether or not to go with a 3 or 4 plank shift). Edited August 18, 2018 by knightyo GrandpaPhil, Jorge Diaz O and mtaylor 3 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
mtaylor Posted August 18, 2018 #50 Posted August 18, 2018 I'd go with the planking plan you drew up. It's probably pretty close to the way the planking was actually done. knightyo 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
knightyo Posted August 19, 2018 Author #51 Posted August 19, 2018 Thanks Mark. I think you are right. Once it's done, I can decide whether or not to do the same with the upper decks.. mtaylor and Jorge Diaz O 2 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
Jorge Diaz O Posted September 23, 2018 #52 Posted September 23, 2018 hi knightyo, I'm about to start my HMS TRITON, do you have any progress on yours? mtaylor 1 -HMS Tritón 1/48 1773 en scracht (TERMINADO) -HMS Winchelsea 1/35 1764 full scracht (EN PROYECTO)
knightyo Posted September 25, 2018 Author #53 Posted September 25, 2018 Hi Jorge, Unfortunately not. For the past few years (actually a LOT of years!) I've only been able to work in short spurts... I have however, decided to modify the deck planking plan I developed above, and indeed taper the planks as they move towards the bow. Alan Jorge Diaz O and mtaylor 2 Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
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