druxey Posted February 12, 2020 #61 Posted February 12, 2020 Quick thinking, cool heads and a narrow escape! AON, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
uss frolick Posted February 12, 2020 #62 Posted February 12, 2020 The Swan Class Sloop HMS Fly was lost off Newfoundland in an 1802 storm. I wonder if this was the same hurricane... mtaylor, lmagna, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote
druxey Posted February 12, 2020 #63 Posted February 12, 2020 The storm was recorded on 14th August. Fly was recorded as 'foundered' off Newfoundland in 1802; no specific date given, but 'spring'. So this could not have been the same event. AON, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Mark P Posted February 12, 2020 #64 Posted February 12, 2020 Thanks for posting these Alan; Regarding the riggers hanging or drowning themselves, this was due to the Peace of Amiens, signed in 1802. Lord St Vincent, who had recently been made First Lord of the Admiralty, was convinced that the dockyards were staffed by rogues, who had no other object in life but to connive and steal for their own profit. As soon as peace was declared, one which St Vincent was adamant would last for at least 10 years, he immediately set up commissions of inquiry, and ordered swingeing cuts to the dockyard staff and Navy budget. He ordered halts to the purchase and stockpiling of most items needed for building or maintaining ships. These policies were opposed by more strategically aware Naval officers, but their protests were un-heeded. So of course, when war with France broke out again within a year or so, the Navy had few ships ready for sea, no timber stockpiled in the dockyards, a greatly reduced number of skilled men to put ships in commission and start on the building of new ones, and greatly reduced morale. At the same time, Napoleon was massing troops on the Channel coast, and proclaiming the forthcoming invasion of Britain. It was just like the disarmament policies of the British government in the 1930s, and the Munich agreement. Put not your faith in the promises of dictators! St Vincent, a notedly harsh disciplinarian even in an age when much that would be unthinkable now was regarded as commonplace, would certainly not have spared a thought for either the damage he did to the Navy, nor for the lives of those who were so badly affected by his mis-timed and inappropriate cutbacks. Many of these men were probably owed years of back-pay, and having been dismissed from their employment, would have been unable to obtain any further credit to buy food. Being unable to sustain their existence any longer, they probably saw no hope of ever receiving their arrears of pay, and quite understandably, just gave up. Sobering stuff. May their souls rest in peace All the best, Mark P allanyed, davyboy, GrandpaPhil and 9 others 12 Quote Previously built models (long ago, aged 18-25ish) POB construction. 32 gun frigate, scratch-built sailing model, Underhill plans. 2 masted topsail schooner, Underhill plans. Started at around that time, but unfinished: 74 gun ship 'Bellona' NMM plans. POB On the drawing board: POF model of Royal Caroline 1749, part-planked with interior details. My own plans, based on Admiralty draughts and archival research. Always on the go: Research into Royal Navy sailing warship design, construction and use, from Tudor times to 1790. Member of NRG, SNR, NRS, SMS
uss frolick Posted February 13, 2020 #65 Posted February 13, 2020 Thanks Druxey! Little Fly was the last surviver of the Swan Class. I wonder how she looked then, after so many required repairs and updates. A new fiddlehead? Stern carvings replaced, or reduced? Quarterdeck and forecastle barricades planked over? The 'Nelson Checker' paint job? Carronades on the main deck? Remember, the poor, little 16-gun ship Fly was only 300 tons, while the new Cruiser Class 18-gun brigs were 400 tons. Pegasus vanished in those same seas back when she was brand new - as she had just arrived in Halifax from England on her maiden cruise. druxey, mtaylor, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote
AON Posted February 13, 2020 Author #66 Posted February 13, 2020 from the reliable Wikipedia: HMS FLY On 17 September 1801 Fly left Portsmouth as escort to a convoy for Newfoundland. She foundered and was lost with all hands off Cape Flattery, Newfoundland in January 1802. uss frolick, thibaultron, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 13, 2020 Author #67 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) HMS Fly according to papers, she was in Antigua in January, notice of PRIZE published 5 March... still looking update: did a quick search through to July and no other mention of her Edited February 13, 2020 by AON thibaultron, lmagna, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
SJSoane Posted February 13, 2020 #68 Posted February 13, 2020 Naval novels like O'Brian conjure up dramatic images of these times, but nothing like actual documents from the time to make this period very real! Mark thibaultron, mtaylor, lmagna and 5 others 8 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
AON Posted February 25, 2020 Author #69 Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) New use of an old construction material - posted 1802 DEAL: DEALS – Fir wood, of similar thickness to plank; PLANK – A general name for all timber, except fir, which is from 1-1/2” to 4” thick. Of less dimension it is called board. Edited February 25, 2020 by AON bruce d, thibaultron, lmagna and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 25, 2020 Author #70 Posted February 25, 2020 1802 - the Cumberland taking a Spanish privateer schooner in the Caribbean - 2 parts mtaylor, thibaultron, paulsutcliffe and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 25, 2020 Author #71 Posted February 25, 2020 1802 - a little harsh? It was only a corporal after all... maybe for an admiral. bruce d, lmagna, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 25, 2020 Author #72 Posted February 25, 2020 The more things change, the more the stay the same. Or do they - 1832 paulsutcliffe, druxey, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 25, 2020 Author #73 Posted February 25, 2020 10 year result of testing copper plating - 1836 mtaylor, lmagna, paulsutcliffe and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
thibaultron Posted February 26, 2020 #74 Posted February 26, 2020 If I remember correctly, it was Admiral Vincent who was know as a bully and sadist at sea. Doing such things as calling Captains to his ship in strong winds, then refusing to allow his ship's captain to shorten sail, which was the normal procedure. He would gleefully watch them and their crew for hours trying to row to catch his ship. mtaylor 1 Quote Ron Thibault Shipjack Carrie Price from Pyro kit, with upgraded detailing and history. Going From A 2D Drawing To A 3D Printed Part Tutorial
AON Posted February 26, 2020 Author #75 Posted February 26, 2020 John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton: thibaultron, mtaylor, bruce d and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 26, 2020 Author #76 Posted February 26, 2020 A sad state of affairs... 1833 paulsutcliffe, druxey, bruce d and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 26, 2020 Author #77 Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) Oh what to do with the vagrant and offending youth overtaking the realm? 1834 Edited February 26, 2020 by AON druxey, paulsutcliffe, SJSoane and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
druxey Posted February 26, 2020 #78 Posted February 26, 2020 Eventually there were training ships for boys and young offenders.... https://www.victorianlondon.org/charities/trainingships.htm but there was an earlier institution by Captain Hanway in the 1750's: http://childrenshomes.org.uk/TS/ mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and AON 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
AON Posted February 27, 2020 Author #79 Posted February 27, 2020 very interesting reads Druxey ...then came the Boys Naval Brigade, from which came Navy League Cadets, and then Sea Cadets. mtaylor, thibaultron and druxey 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 27, 2020 Author #80 Posted February 27, 2020 Does this seem a bit drastic... 1832 bruce d, paulsutcliffe, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
SJSoane Posted February 27, 2020 #81 Posted February 27, 2020 Fun! keep them coming! Mark thibaultron, mtaylor and AON 3 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
AON Posted March 7, 2020 Author #82 Posted March 7, 2020 and the King of France has a new barge - 1832 druxey, mtaylor, bruce d and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted March 7, 2020 Author #83 Posted March 7, 2020 I suppose nothing much became of this as I cannot find the fellow in a web search - 1832 mtaylor, bruce d, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted March 7, 2020 Author #84 Posted March 7, 2020 A talley of the loss of American steam ships - 1834 bruce d, mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
druxey Posted March 7, 2020 #85 Posted March 7, 2020 Lt Morrison's invention probably sank without trace - along with hundreds of other 'improvements' submitted to the Admiralty by hopeful inventors in the 1800's. thibaultron, bruce d, paulsutcliffe and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
AON Posted March 8, 2020 Author #86 Posted March 8, 2020 A medical emergency - a google search proved it to be Yellow Fever - 1828 Once again, the more things change... the more they stay the same mtaylor, paulsutcliffe, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
bruce d Posted March 8, 2020 #87 Posted March 8, 2020 19 hours ago, AON said: ... I cannot find the fellow ... Maybe this is the same chap? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2995092 See line 11 of description. AON, thibaultron, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
AON Posted March 8, 2020 Author #88 Posted March 8, 2020 quite possibly the same fellow! thibaultron, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
Louie da fly Posted March 8, 2020 #89 Posted March 8, 2020 (Thinks: Aha! another steam-boat to sink!) Dangerous birds, those shags. You really have to watch out for them Steven paulsutcliffe, lmagna, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
AON Posted March 8, 2020 Author #90 Posted March 8, 2020 Terrible accident at sea - no safety harnesses back then - real men didn't need them (I guess that rules me out) - 1828 lmagna, druxey, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
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