Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[ClipperFan]

6 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

She did indeed have her rigging reduced several times.  My example is when she was in her hayday...after all her deck and rigging mods had been complete.....but before any reductions in her deck furniture and rigging.....and long before any canary mods had even been imagined.

 

Her long decline is documented in many images....those are not my interest at this time.

 

Rob

Rob, the only reason I was wondering if this SF dock scene was possibly earlier than 1877 was due to the fact that she appears to still have her original rig completely intact. I too have no interest in exploring Glory's sad demise either.

[rwiederrich]

31 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, the only reason I was wondering if this SF dock scene was possibly earlier than 1877 was due to the fact that she appears to still have her original rig completely intact. I too have no interest in exploring Glory's sad demise either.

This image shows that she has her new back stays and her spreaders are removed to accommodate them.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Worked about an hour on the fore mast.   Painted doubling and stained the mast. 
 

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, it's hard to believe this is just the Foremast, she's so tall. Beautiful, skillful work!

[rwiederrich]

6 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, it's hard to believe this is just the Foremast, she's so tall. Beautiful, skillful work!

Thanks Rich.  Yes she is tall.  I’m checking into the length of the flying gib boom and double check….I might need to add , possibly a foot or more.  I might have misscalculated.   We’ll see. 
 

Rob

[BANYAN]

This is going to one very fine model Rob.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Merry christmas Everyone ; 

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Merry christmas Everyone ; 

Ach! Vladimir my European friend, you beat me to the draw. Merry Christmas, the safest and happiest New Year! Rob since this is on your board, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too. I wish the same to Arina "theAuthor'sDaughter" and her wonderful dad, Mike Mjelde!

[BANYAN]

Back at you all - I hope all have a safe and very happy Christmas.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Gentlemen, I took out  glory model and watched her profile yesterday after some time  for a while and her uniqueness fascinated me again.  this time especially her very short bow profile - that thick arrow - very very promptly fattening up towards her thick wide lines  beauty beast indeed. I smiled at her thinking how much she tortured us  she shows off with her sleek lines and long stern cabin in every moment. not speaking of Robs continuation - with all the tall splendor...i stand her along with Cutty sark yacht   and must say they cant be more different in every possible aspect from top to the bottom. but i am McKay convert though  

still 3 days but...Wishing  Everyone happy New year and good health in 2022!  

 

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, Happy, Healthy (non Omicron or Delta) Safe New Year! Let's all hope and pray 2022 is a year of recovery for our entire world.....

Meanwhile Vlad, please share your comparison images of "Cutty Sark" and "GLORY of the SEAS". Of course, with Cutty being 1:96th and Glory at 1:72nd there's an obvious size discrepancy but the Hull comparison would still be informative.

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, while sitting in a doctor's Waiting Room for my wife's routine appointment I borrowed her notebook to doodle. There I found this rough conceptual sketch I did of the carved work above the Stern of "GLORY of the SEAS." The approach is to model these carvings similar to those which were on her carved arch of her Bow cutwater. This is still very much a work in progress but I thought you might appreciate seeing the direction I'm going in.

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir inspired by our exhaustively detailed research of the hull form of "GLORY of the SEAS" which I refer to as the "Rosetta Stone" of McKay's Clippers, I finally sketched what I consider the most nautically accurate reconstruction of his most famous Extreme Clipper "Flying Cloud." Every other model of this magnificent vessel only depicts her Bow as the Stem. Yet from the very beginning "Flying Cloud" was described as having identical Naval Hoods and Cutwaters as Glory. In fact, the famous color woodcut of her East Boston launch and her NY loading scenes both woodcut and watercolor also depict these devices, albeit somewhat crudely.

Similar to the Bjorn Landstrøm approach, I precisely traced the lines of "Flying Cloud" then overlayed the missing nautical devices to recreate her accurate profile. End result, in my humble observation, is a much sleeker, more ornate vessel. If anyone's interested, I'd love to collaborate on a similar project like what we endeavoured on magnificent Glory. FYI I'm also very close to completing a similar reconstruction of McKay's premier Extreme Clipper "Staghound." Ultimately my goal is to finally accurately realize as many of Donald McKay's spectacular Clippers as possible, based on historical resources and contemporary images. How about it, any takers?

[BANYAN]

Sorry I don't have the expertise to participate but would be an interested 'looker on'   Good luck with this endeavour; has the m akings for an excellent book! (hint) - it doesn't have to be commercial endeavour.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, BANYAN said:

Sorry I don't have the expertise to participate but would be an interested 'looker on'   Good luck with this endeavour; has the m akings for an excellent book! (hint) - it doesn't have to be commercial endeavour.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Pat, my next step in our Glory venture is to submit an article to Nautical Research Journal about the journey of discovery Rob has spearheaded in our shared goal of recreating Donald McKay's last, longest lived Clipper. I'm going to submit an email inquiry to the Editor for their specific publishing guidelines. Having the support and encouragement of Michael Mjelde is a big help.

As for my other projects, I'm sure Rob would be the very first to agree that's for another board, not his and I absolutely respect that. Very soon look for a new board in Research for that ongoing topic. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Rich my heart says yes and yes to both but  I dont assume I will have such free time this year as I happened to find myself in spring and summer last year. it was rare coincidence of stars :)) . i wish to help most likely by  some evenings. but  first i need to get rid of glory :))) joking. well I promised to family that i wont build or bring home  another boat till previous one is gone. tough life.  with another frigate reaching final stage, I promised them to leave some  place in house for living     by the way where is your NRJ article ? :)))) joking. V. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Promised glory vs cutty sark deck & bow outline shape comparison. Though Revell cutty stern IS plain incorrect. But doesnt matter atm. 

 

 

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, these bird's eye views of CS vs Glory are great. What I was really hoping for as comparison was to see the two vessels broadside at "sea" level. If it's not too much to ask. 

As for the NRJ article, I will pick up the pace on that, for sure.

[My Fathers Son]

Are these the same scale?

 

[ClipperFan]

29 minutes ago, My Fathers Son said:

Are these the same scale?

 

My Fathers Son, I know for a fact that the Revell "Cutty Sark" is 1:96th scale while Vladimir entirely scratch built his "GLORY of the SEAS" to the much larger 1:72nd scale. This is not a true "apples to apples" scale comparison. Rob Weiderrich's scratch built replica is 1:96th, so it's still possible to get an accurate to scale comparison. Eventually, when he's completed rigging his Glory, I'm sure Rob would be willing to take some shots of the two vessels so this can be seen.

[rwiederrich]

Happy new year everyone!

 

I just got back on line……..since the holidays and I see lots of fun stuff afoot.  
 

I’ll post some actual scale images of CS and GofS.      The CS was a tiny thing compared. 
 

I hope to get to work on the mainmast today for an hour or so.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Some overhead shots

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Some overhead shots

Happy new year Rob ! 

wow breathtaking pics. i cant believe these two are in same scale that difference is massive. She must have been a titanic like for crew  and would have been a vision . 

[BANYAN]

A great comparison Rob; clearly shows the different requirements met by the respective designers.  Very nice models too!  Odd sea pattern under them though - fan blade shaped waves   

 

Welcome back to the builders desk - I am still a week or two away while I finish all those house jobs.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[druxey]

Well, having seen and been aboard Cutty Sark, what a behemoth Glory of the Seas is in comparison! Thank you for giving us a better idea of her size this way.

[ClipperFan]

Rob, welcome back and Happy New Year! While it's one thing to read and try to visualize size differences between the massive McKay Clippers and her UK counterparts, it's entirely another to see this disparity, even just in model scales. Wow! I am just blown away by comparisons of these two beautiful vessels. Thanks for sharing.

[rwiederrich]

Thanks everyone for your fine comments.  
 

I too was amazed at the size difference between the average British clipper and those of America.   “Go big or go home” was the motto I guess.  
 

To bad we just don’t have any American clippers left.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, it's a sad irony that the very nation that introduced and perfected the Clipper Ship has not one intact example left. Meanwhile the UK will ultimately have not one but two fully restored examples: 1869 "Cutty Sark" and the 1864 "City of Adelaide" currently undergoing restoration in Adelaide, Australia. Interestingly enough both of these vessels were Scottish built ships. 

I have another request in respect to the comparisons of "Cutty Sark" and "GLORY of the SEAS." If it's not too much to ask, could you elevate the UK vessel so that their waterline match up, then take some more pictures of the two broadside and in three quarter profiles, bow and stern? It would be powerful to see this dramatic comparison.

[My Fathers Son]

On 1/2/2022 at 12:34 AM, druxey said:

Well, having seen and been aboard Cutty Sark, what a behemoth Glory of the Seas is in comparison! Thank you for giving us a better idea of her size this way.

I can second this, Cutty Sark is serious impressive just to walk around and over, just imagine what it would be like if Glory had survived.

 

Being in the South of England, I am so lucky that I have Greenwich,  Chatham and Portsmouth to visit historic ships.

 

Simon 

Edited January 3, 2022 by My Fathers Son

[My Fathers Son]

16 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, it's a sad irony that the very nation that introduced and perfected the Clipper Ship has not one intact example left. Meanwhile the UK will ultimately have not one but two fully restored examples: 1869 "Cutty Sark" and the 1864 "City of Adelaide" currently undergoing restoration in Adelaide, Australia. Interestingly enough both of these vessels were Scottish built ships. 

 

Clipperfan, we should keep the scottish connection quiet, it will be the Elgin Marbles all over again if Scotland gets independance. Its not surprising though as Scotland had some of the best deepwater slipways.

 

Simon