JAKE.FOGEL Posted September 27, 2020 #1 Posted September 27, 2020 Hello First build pob build here. Iv done a couple solid hull mamoli kits fairly easily but ready to move on Now that iv opened the box I'm a bit overwhelmed but I'm committed lol Any help and advice would be much appreciated I will do my best to keep a detailed log the bulkheads are very loose tho. Are they supposed to be that way? my ceiling fan is moving them lol ccoyle, GrandpaPhil and Ryland Craze 3 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted September 27, 2020 #2 Posted September 27, 2020 Welcome aboard. OC. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Jim Lad Posted September 27, 2020 #3 Posted September 27, 2020 Hello Jake, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'. John Ryland Craze and Old Collingwood 2 Quote
Ryland Craze Posted September 27, 2020 #4 Posted September 27, 2020 Welcome to Model Ship World Jake. You did the right thing by starting a build log for your kit. The bulkheads may be loose, but be sure that they are properly seated in the false keel and that they are at right angles to the keel. This is a very important part of the build, so take it slow. I would use a PVA glue (yellow glue) to set the bulkheads and make sure the glue has set on the bulkhead you are inserting before moving to the next bulkhead. Good luck on your build and be sure to ask if you have any questions. We are here to help you be successful with your first build. Old Collingwood and Baker 2 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat
JAKE.FOGEL Posted September 28, 2020 Author #5 Posted September 28, 2020 Not overly thrilled with what I got so far. Plan on redoing the top deck. Iv had to trim almost every pre cut piece in the kit so far, broke one but it got covered in plank anyway. Ryland Craze, Baker and ccoyle 3 Quote
Baker Posted September 30, 2020 #6 Posted September 30, 2020 question Normally this deck is not bent. Are you sure nothing is wrong. Now you can still adjust this if necessary Greetings Patrick Ryland Craze and Cuda1949 2 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
JAKE.FOGEL Posted October 1, 2020 Author #7 Posted October 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Backer said: question Normally this deck is not bent. Are you sure nothing is wrong. Now you can still adjust this if necessary Greetings Patrick Yes, I messed up there. Luckily I can still rectify it, its actually supposed to be 2 separate decks Baker 1 Quote
Baker Posted October 1, 2020 #8 Posted October 1, 2020 Can happen to anyone, noticed just in time. If you only know what I've already had to rebuild on my models Ryland Craze 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
JAKE.FOGEL Posted October 5, 2020 Author #9 Posted October 5, 2020 Starting planking Baker, GrandpaPhil, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote
JAKE.FOGEL Posted October 8, 2020 Author #10 Posted October 8, 2020 So I probably should have stopped before I went this far but what have I done wrong here? Larry Cowden and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote
VTHokiEE Posted October 8, 2020 #11 Posted October 8, 2020 Looking through the planks I think that I still see all the laser char on the bulkheads. Did you fair them? The planks also look like they could have been tapered more at the bow. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
Ryland Craze Posted October 8, 2020 #12 Posted October 8, 2020 Jake, Take a look at the planking tutorials in the following post: The various links will take you to PDF articles on planking a hull. These articles are a great resource for beginner ship modelers as they will explain the hows and whys of planking a ship model. As VTHokiEE said, the planks needed to be tapered at the bow. All of this is explained in the planking articles. Good luck on this build. tlevine and Baker 2 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat
Louie da fly Posted October 9, 2020 #13 Posted October 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Ryland Craze said: As VTHokiEE said, the planks needed to be tapered at the bow. And probably at the stern as well. Unfortunately kit manufacturers often supply the planks the same width the whole length, when in fact their width varies right along their length to allow for the complexity of the shape of the hull. Adjusting the width is called spiling, and it needs to be done otherwise you end up with gaps between planks at some points and overlaps at others. I'd suggest you have a good read through the planking primers - take your time, until you're happy you understand them (and even then it's possible to make mistakes - don't ask me how I know), and then have another go at your planking. Don't worry - it is possible to get it right! The other thing is it looks like you haven't faired your frames - that is to bevel them at the edges to follow the smooth run of the planks, so the planks rest against a surface rather than just an edge. The edges of the frames shouldn't be at right angles to the frames themselves, they should be at the appropriate angle to let the planks rest smoothly against them. (I hope that makes sense). Planking is probably the most difficult job you'll have in making your model. It's worth putting in the time and study to get it right. You'll be glad you did. And ask questions - lots of questions. Plenty of experienced people here to help you. Baker, Ryland Craze and Larry Cowden 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Richmond Posted October 9, 2020 #14 Posted October 9, 2020 Jake, I really struggled with understanding the various documents, I find there to be an assumption that you know certain things and steps are skipped over or not visually explained in enough detail. I think this is one of the major issues with wooden ship building and why people don't stick around in the hobby. However, I finally found a great build log, it was for the Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat by BobF. This guy has a great visual way of explaining things, he really doesn't skip a step and comes back with further information if you found any of his steps difficult to understand. I know no ships are the same but for some reason this one really hit home. Larry Cowden and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Current Builds Mikasa by I Love Kit - 1:200 - Plastic HMS Beagle by Occre - 1:48 - Wood
JAKE.FOGEL Posted October 9, 2020 Author #15 Posted October 9, 2020 So I did fair the hull but it ended up being way to much as i thought it would be a good idea to use my dremel.. I'm gona stick with it and sand the ever living hell out of it as it is a single plank hull. May not look exactly as its supposed to but it's my first build and it's a learning experience Larry Cowden 1 Quote
VTHokiEE Posted October 10, 2020 #16 Posted October 10, 2020 Ah I see the fairing now. I’m thinking that you’re at the beginning of the build and you may regret not pulling these planks off, ordering some new ones and try your hand at tapering (spiking) them. I think that it’s going to be tricky to fill though gaps on a single planked hull. I read many documents on planking, watched some videos and then had a disaster on my first go through. I removed it (with great sadness and frustration, I had some sleepless nights thinking that I would never get it right) and tried again (you can see what happened to me in my build log if you’re interested). I’m glad that I took the time to redo though because I’m getting close to 10 months of work on my model and I would be disappointed with myself if I hadn’t. If you are set on pushing forward I would heavily consider painting the hull as it can disguise and filler you end up needing. Ryland Craze, Larry Cowden and Baker 3 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
Larry Cowden Posted January 19, 2021 #17 Posted January 19, 2021 On 10/9/2020 at 7:41 PM, JAKE.FOGEL said: So I did fair the hull but it ended up being way to much as i thought it would be a good idea to use my dremel.. I'm gona stick with it and sand the ever living hell out of it as it is a single plank hull. May not look exactly as its supposed to but it's my first build and it's a learning experience I like your spirit! Louie da fly 1 Quote
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