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Hi there. I’ve just joined the Group today. I’m a retired seafarer (38 years Service Royal Navy). I have been building POF ships since I was about 19. Six ships completed in between time away at sea. All builds have been from ‘in the market’ kits, but I am working myself up to take a leap of faith and semi scratch build HMS Prince from the Amati plans, which are on order. I just need to finish HMS Fly first; basic hull complete, main deck fitted and that’s it so far. 

 

I do like WW2 ships, mainly 1/350 scale in plastic, with all the aftermarket bits and bobs. Recently finished a paper and card 1/200 HMS King George V.

 

Really looking forward to sharing stuff on this site.

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24 minutes ago, Henry Wombat said:

Really looking forward to sharing stuff on this site.

Hello, Henry Wombat, welcome aboard MSW.

It sounds like your interests are spread across all the key subjects here, I am sure you will find a lot of interest if you decide to add a build log (or two or three...) especially as you are a 'proper sailor'.

 

Bruce

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STAY SAFE

 

A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin

current builds:

HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style

Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild 

French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold

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Welcome aboard, Henry!

 

2 hours ago, Henry Wombat said:

Recently finished a paper and card 1/200 HMS King George V.

 

Ooh, that sounds like a Halinski product -- that's a real feat. We have a small cadre of card model enthusiasts within our ranks.

Chris Coyle
Greer, South Carolina

When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
- Tuco

Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop

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10 hours ago, Henry Wombat said:

HMS Prince

This inspired me to investigate my archives.  For a time, I explored building a model of HMS Prince 1670.

This was at a time when I was teaching myself some skills on the drawing board, so no wood was ever in danger.

 

My first step is to gather up as much information as I can find.

 

Long ago, I bought:

A set of 1:48 lines plans of the ship (model?), I think it is  from the Science Museum.  It is a really large photograph - on two sheets.

A set of 1:96  plans ID'ed with CM (Clive Millward?).

A folder of model plans 1:60  (POB - ugh) in Italian  Teconmodel .

I think I have a series of photos of the Science Museum model - probably from their museum shop.

 

At the time, I was working thru the design exercises in Deane's Doctrine.  This made me aware of "touch" as relates to keel and ship length.

Touch is what the dimensions in tables from the time list as the length of the ship.  It is ~20% shorter than the length on the gun deck.

I was corresponding with someone who was building a kit of HMS Prince. He was having trouble getting the deck gear placed.  It turns out that the designer of his kit confused touch with LBP. The hull was too short.  It could have been rescued early on by patching in an additional section of spine at the dead flat and duplicating or triplicating the midship mould.   

 

For your kit plans, it would be prudent to verify that the length of the hull is correct.

 

A first rate 17th century floating palace is about as daunting a challenge as it gets for a ship model.  If you are determined to forge ahead, but wish your first scratch project to have sufficient documentation and plans,  ANCRE has a recent monograph of a French 17th first rate that is both elegant and magnificent.  It is St. Philippe.  But a really challenging aspect is that all of the frames are canted forward between 1 and 2 degrees.

 

NRG member 50 years

 

Current:  

NMS

HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error

HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing

HMS Beagle 1831 refiit  10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing

The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842
Flying Fish 1838  pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers
Porpose II  1836  brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Vincennes  1825  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers assembled, need shaping
Peacock  1828  Sloop-of -War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Sea Gull  1838  pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly
Relief  1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly

Other

Portsmouth  1843  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Le Commerce de Marseilles  1788   118 cannons - POF framed

La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers

 

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Welcome to MSW, Henry - from Oz, the land of the wombats.

 

It would be good to see a build log of your HMS Fly, even if it started from your current stage of completion - though photos from earlier in the build would be even better. In case you haven't come across them so far, the instructions for starting a log are here:

 

 

 

It's a great way to get help and encouragement (and the rest of us get to see the progress of your build).

 

Good to have you on board.

 

Steven

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