Moab Posted February 9, 2021 Share #1 Posted February 9, 2021 I'm scratch building some solid hull ships with an approximate length of 8 inches and beam of 1.75 inches. I've cut out the basswood blanks and there's a great deal of wood that needs to be removed to shape the hull properly. I need recommendations for what types of files, etc. I need in order to hog out lots of wood. All recommendations are appreciated...Moab Keithbrad80, Canute and thibaultron 3 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted February 9, 2021 Share #2 Posted February 9, 2021 Needle files are a bit small for what you need. You could take a look at luthier tool suppliers - they have medium range files with a range of bite. StewMac is not economy but you can get a lay of the land as far as some possibilities for what is available. A lesion that I can't seem to learn - when filing - apply downward force directly above the surface being cut. Applying it between the hold point and the cut point tends to make a small file into two pieces - even the expensive Swiss ones. That Basswood is going to fight you all the way. The fibers are going to want to roll. You might consider starting over with Yellow Poplar. It is easy to cut. but holds a sharp edge. It is also about the least expensive hardwood and 10/4 and even 12/4 lumber is available. Moab, thibaultron, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted February 9, 2021 Share #3 Posted February 9, 2021 Not exactly answering your exact question but I like using these small spokeshaves to shape solid hull models thibaultron, Moab, henry x and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted February 9, 2021 Share #4 Posted February 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, Roger Pellett said: Not exactly answering your exact question but I like using these small spokeshaves to shape solid hull models Roger, I've got a set of those very same spokeshaves. They're lovely. The sort of tool that just makes you feel good using them. I have the three spokeshaves in their original box. (They come up on eBay occasionally. Their no longer made, as far as I know.) I don't have the aluminum plate you have pictured above. It looks shop-made. What's it for? mtaylor, Canute, Keithbrad80 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted February 9, 2021 Share #5 Posted February 9, 2021 This just put me in mind of an alternative. If you have more money than time: Micro-Make™ / MicroLux® Palm-Size Belt Sander - will eat wood fairly fast. mine wants to throw the belt immediately - I hold a square of wood on the side of the housing that overlaps the belt which keeps the belt at home. Micro-Make™ / MicroLux® Heavy-Duty Right Angle Disk Sander / Drill with 3-Jaw Keyless Chuck, 1/64 Inch - 1/8 Inch Capacity There are a number of available disk attachments 1" / 2" / 3" diameter with 1/8" shanks These are DC machines and require a proprietary transformer power source. The manufacturer seems to be a German company Kaleas. MM appears to be the US agent.. Now, if they would also make a 45 degree Angle Disk Sander, - for contour sanding inside a hull. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted February 9, 2021 Share #6 Posted February 9, 2021 Bob, My spokeshaves were bought 55 years ago. The professional model makers that built wooden models for the University of Michigan’s Naval Architecture towing tank used them. Three of us were building a model to be towed for our senior design project so we each bought a set. I later replaced the slotted screws with the socket headed cap screws screws to make the blades easier to tighten. The aluminum plate is home made and allows the two straight blades to fit into my sharpening guide at the proper angle. Otherwise, the blades are too short. Keithbrad80, mtaylor, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithbrad80 Posted February 9, 2021 Share #7 Posted February 9, 2021 For removing large amounts of wood I use cabinet files. I have a 10” cabinet file and a 10” wood file from lee valley tools. I like them because they have some weight to them so I don’t have to strain my arm over time. They also have a good bite so they can really remove some material. Both of mine are half round, They seem to be the most versatile for shaping the hull. If you really want to remove material you can use a wood rasp, mine is also from lee valley tools. Files leave a cleaner finish than rasps. Also, make sure to use a file card often to clean your files. Lee Valley Tools half round files: https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-File-Card-Brush-Pack/dp/B001KVM2H2 Lee Valley Tools wood rasp: https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/files-and-rasps/rasps/20135-wood-and-cabinet-rasps?gclid=Cj0KCQiA34OBBhCcARIsAG32uvOXAPM4-JpTUYynzJCJs_s48d4jb39vuPd8O2slPNNOMje9nK_mbp0aAv5hEALw_wcB File card: https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-File-Card-Brush-Pack/dp/B001KVM2H2 Bradley thibaultron, Moab and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goetzi73 Posted February 9, 2021 Share #8 Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Keithbrad80 said: For removing large amounts of wood I use cabinet files. I have a 10” cabinet file and a 10” wood file from lee valley tools. I like them because they have some weight to them so I don’t have to strain my arm over time. They also have a good bite so they can really remove some material. Both of mine are half round, They seem to be the most versatile for shaping the hull. If you really want to remove material you can use a wood rasp, mine is also from lee valley tools. Files leave a cleaner finish than rasps. Also, make sure to use a file card often to clean your files. Lee Valley Tools half round files: https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-File-Card-Brush-Pack/dp/B001KVM2H2 Lee Valley Tools wood rasp: https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/files-and-rasps/rasps/20135-wood-and-cabinet-rasps?gclid=Cj0KCQiA34OBBhCcARIsAG32uvOXAPM4-JpTUYynzJCJs_s48d4jb39vuPd8O2slPNNOMje9nK_mbp0aAv5hEALw_wcB File card: https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-File-Card-Brush-Pack/dp/B001KVM2H2 Bradley Just an addition: Personally I'am using Iwasaki files for cabinet-making and ship modelling. These files are superior to normal cabinet files. The teeth cut aggressively, but leave a very fine and smooth surface. You may have a look here: https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/iwasaki-carving-files.aspx Götz Moab, Canute, Keithbrad80 and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Hanseatic ship 1:50 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/16089-hanseatic-ship-c-1500-by-goetzi73-150-first-scratch-build/ Completed builds: Nina (Amati), HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft). Golden Hind (Mamoli) Next on List: Fifie 1:32 (Amati Victory Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted February 9, 2021 Guys; thank you for all the info. Very helpful...Moab Canute, Keithbrad80, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Case Posted February 9, 2021 Share #10 Posted February 9, 2021 If you get a piece of a 40 grit sanding belt and DS tape it to a stick it makes a very good rasp Canute, Roger Pellett, Moab and 2 others 5 Quote HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48 - - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800 - Model Ship World™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted February 11, 2021 Share #11 Posted February 11, 2021 I've found a staircase maker's rasp very handy for rough shaping solid hulls: https://www.mrmtool.com/10-Staircase-Makers-Rasp-•-Half-Round-Bent-Second-Cut_p_1142.html A similar "hoof rasp" used by farriers is also, and probably more widely available. https://www.evohoofcare.com/Bar-Sole-Rasp-1_p_16.html thibaultron, mtaylor, Roger Pellett and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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