Veszett Roka Posted January 12, 2022 Share #31 Posted January 12, 2022 Hi Dan, i think the battens would need covered from this side, wouldn't they? As many sails i see all had little sacks for the battens, but this could prove only that i didn't see all of them. DanB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #32 Posted January 12, 2022 Hi Veszett, Thanks for your comment! I think you are probably correct. The instructions do not say to cover them to make a sack for them, but I have been looking at pictures of sails with battens and they seem to fit into a reinforced sleeve sewed into the sail. I guess I could cover them with a thin strip of cloth a bit wider than each batten. Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veszett Roka Posted January 12, 2022 Share #33 Posted January 12, 2022 That should be fine. I found you a detailed drawing, maybe this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted January 12, 2022 Share #34 Posted January 12, 2022 She is coming along nicely. I'm sorry to hear notes of frustration - these things creep into these projects a bit more here than elsewhere. But I can say that, they become much easier to deal with as your experience grows. Or at least it has for me over the last couple projects. I hope you are pleased with the results so far. As for the nails, if you email the kit manufacturer, they will send you more. As for enlarging holes, lots of options but I suggest mounting them to scrap wood (double-sided tape, white glue, etc.) then use a small drill bit mounted in a pin vise. But skipping them, is more elegant and less work. Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #35 Posted January 12, 2022 @Veszett Roka Thanks very much for the diagram. I will try to add a cover to make a pocket for the battens! @EricWilliamMarshall Thanks very much for the suggestions for drilling out the holes. I will ask model shipways to send some more nails is it is bugging me that they are not there. They also sent me some recently that was pretty dried up and lumpy, so maybe I can get them to replace the bottle. Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #36 Posted January 12, 2022 Lumpy paint! Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted January 13, 2022 Share #37 Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, DanB said: Lumpy paint! Understood! I have asked twice for replacements from Model Shipways and each time they shipped quickly. Note that one time they shipped without letting me know so it was a small surprise. I would ask for a replacement regarding the paint as well. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share #38 Posted January 13, 2022 Sail Added sleeves for the battens. I think it came out OK. It is still drying. I was not sure how wide to make the strips. The reinforcements around the edges of the sail are ¼ inch so I went a bit less than that, but I think they should have been a bit wider as it was hard to glue them down. On to trying to do the rigging (also new territory for me) tomorrow. EricWilliamMarshall, gsdpic, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share #39 Posted January 14, 2022 Today I attached the sail to the gaff and boom. It was slow going, especially as it took me a while to figure our how everything was connected. I worked on the block for the traveller and the drilled the holes for the line in the transom knees , but then realized my patience was starting to go, I had really had enough for the day and it was time to stop. EricWilliamMarshall, gsdpic, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 16, 2022 Share #40 Posted January 16, 2022 The pocketed battens are a nice 'extra' touch! DanB 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share #41 Posted January 17, 2022 Finished! It took a long time for me to get all of the lines in, especially because I made a lot of mistakes and had to go back and correct them. I learned a lot form this model and the instructions and were really great, if felt like just the right amount of difficulty for my current level and I really trying getting to try all of the new skills this one calls for. A few issues with this kit : - The transoms sit a bit off the building board and it is easy for them to be tilted, especially the bow transom. I used some supports for the stern transom to keep it square but I think, it would be better to have longer of wood strips glued to building board on each side of the transom supports to be sure the transoms stay square as the planking progresses. My bow wound up a bit off square. - Lots of care is needed alining the planks starting at the bow as any error becomes greater as the plank angles out form the bow. The planking wound up being a compromise between the lines scribed on the transoms, the lines where the plank bevels start, and the marks on the 2 molds. I had to unglue one plank after it came out too far off. - The paper strip guide in the instructions was helpful for locating the horizontal position along the hull of the frames and supports for the thwarts, but there is no guide for positioning them vertically. I tried to use the pictures and the relation of the supports to the strakes in the pictures, but I had to unglue them and reposition 4 of them when it was time to install the thwarts. I think it would be better to install the frames, then make and fit the thwarts, then figure out where the smaller supports need to be so the thwarts are level so and the one around the center board sits level with the centerboard case. - I glued the tubes for the rudder grudgeons with CA glue, and they both broke off at some point during the build. I finally used epoxy. - The kit is short 4 brass nails and its was short more after I lost some of them when they went flying as I cut them or tried to install them. - I needed more 0.3 mm line to seize the lines for the stays. Its a nice option in the kit. I used the 0.5 mm line, but it would have been better to raid my wife's sewing kit for some tan thread-- next time. Overall this model is very good experience for someone new to all of this, and I am going to build the Lobster Smack which is the third boat in the series. I am going to spend a bit of time cleaning up and reorganizing my work space before I start it. Thanks to everyone for all of the likes, suggestions, and encouragement! BobG, Claire7, EricWilliamMarshall and 9 others 12 Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 17, 2022 Share #42 Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, DanB said: it would have been better to raid my wife's sewing kit for some tan thread If you have to go raiding for thread, look for quilting thread. It has far less fuzz than regular sewing thread. Congratulations on completing your model! druxey 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Salmson 2, Speeljacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 17, 2022 Share #43 Posted January 17, 2022 Well done, Dan! DanB 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted January 17, 2022 Share #44 Posted January 17, 2022 Congratulations on completing your Pram. You did a good job on building this model and your build log will be an inspiration for other builders of this model. DanB 1 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.L. Posted January 17, 2022 Share #45 Posted January 17, 2022 Good job. Congratulations! DanB 1 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandlucy Posted January 19, 2022 Share #46 Posted January 19, 2022 Very Nice! You'll enjoy the Lobster Smack. It is very elegant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted January 24, 2022 Share #47 Posted January 24, 2022 Dan, congrats on finishing your build - looks great! Thanks for this build log as well as I'm just about to start this kit and it looks like there are some real gems of information in here. Great notes on what to watch out for and the areas you had issues. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Quixote Posted April 13, 2022 Share #48 Posted April 13, 2022 Glad I found this. Reading the instructions for mine now and plan to start Friday 4/15/22. GREAT job! Ryland Craze 1 Quote Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Scale. 2nd boat in the learning series. In Dry Dock: Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack. 1:24 scale. Model Shipways, 3rd in the learning series. Not sure what'll be next, probably the Santa Maria by Artesania Latina 1:65 scale. Unless someone has a better suggestion for a beginner. Pride of Baltimore. Model Shipways. Clipper used in the war of 1812. Black Falcon. Mantua Model. 18 century corsair brig. CSS. Alabama. E. Manolie? Can't read the font. Build in Liverpool in 1862 for use in the American Civil War by the Confederates. Steam and sail, sloop of war. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. A baseball cap my Dad wore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share #49 Posted April 14, 2022 Thanks for your comments Don Quixote. Good luck with the Pram! Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Enghauser Posted February 9, 2023 Share #50 Posted February 9, 2023 Your pictures and notes have been very helpful. I refer to them each step I take. Thank you for the effort you put in with pictures and helpful notes. What colors did you use for painting? Thanks, Dave Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanB Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share #51 Posted February 12, 2023 Hi Dave. I used the Model shipways paints. I used Warm white for the outside of the hull and copper red for the inside. I think they were in the paint kit they sell for the kit.I think it included an acrylic semigloss varnish the I put over the warm white. Good Luck with your model! Ryland Craze 1 Quote Current Build: Sultana 1:64 Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 14, 2023 Share #52 Posted April 14, 2023 On 12/15/2021 at 12:30 AM, DanB said: It still took a major rubber band party to get the stern transom level and in alignment with the molds, including rubber bands around the transom holder to keep it seated in the board and a bunch around the transom. Just enjoying “rubber band party”… and your detailed notes as I navigate this build myself 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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