Panteg Models Posted December 25, 2023 Share #1 Posted December 25, 2023 Santa has been kind to me , looking forward to making a start on this model of a truly historic vessel. St. Roch was designated a national historic site of Canada because: she became the first ship to cross from the Pacific to the Atlantic by the North West Passage; she was also the first ship to complete the hazardous journey in both directions. The Canadian-built St. Roch is valued as an excellent example of Canada’s maritime history. She navigated the Northwest Passage, arriving in Halifax in 1942, after spending two winters frozen in the ice. She was the second ship to make the Passage, and the first to conquer the journey from the Pacific to the Atlantic. In 1944, the refitted St. Roch returned to Vancouver via the more northerly, deep route of the Prince of Wales Strait in eighty-six ice-free days – the first to navigate the Northwest Passage in a single season. Retired in 1948, St. Roch was sent to Halifax via the Panama Canal in 1950, making her the first ship to circumnavigate North America. Under the command and leadership of Sergeant Henry Larsen (1899-1964) who was first mate and captain for twenty years, the voyages of the St. Roch demonstrated Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic. She extended and maintained Canadian control over its vast northern territories as an all-purpose supply, patrol and transport vessel and governmental representative to service isolated and relatively inaccessible R.C.M.P. detachments by settling disputes and conducting a census of the Inuit. During this time the St. Roch was the only federal presence in the far north. During the Second World War the St. Roch was sent through the North West Passage to protect war industries in the north, specifically a mine in Greenland which was the sole source of cyrolite essential to the production of aluminum. The heritage value lies in the original design and the multiple refits that were designed to deal harsh conditions and reflect the changing technologies in marine transportation over the course of her working life. The St. Roch has been restored to her appearance during her epic journeys between 1940-1944 that was a mix of original elements and subsequent refits. Additional value in her material fabric include the spare and well-considered details of her design in terms of the efficiency and economy of her living and working quarters. ccoyle, Snug Harbor Johnny, DonSangria and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted December 27, 2023 Author Share #2 Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) St. Roch , numbering of components to speed up identification later before starting the build. Edited December 28, 2023 by Panteg Models SiriusVoyager, JacquesCousteau, yvesvidal and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted December 29, 2023 Typical wet and windy Christmas weather outside , so a bit of progress has been made on the Billings Boats St. Roch . yvesvidal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdurant Posted December 29, 2023 Share #4 Posted December 29, 2023 What a lovely present. I'm in the middle of building a Billing Boats model (Nordkap), so I'll pull up a chair and follow along if that's okay. Looks like you've made a good start already, and now I've seen your last build, I'm sure you'll come out the other end with a fine model! Panteg Models 1 Quote Current build(s): Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler "Erycina" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Paused on the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) / HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted December 30, 2023 Poor weather over the Christmas period has given me time to work on the St. Roch , decking now marked for planking and glued in place. king derelict, yvesvidal, Diver and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 2 Author Share #6 Posted January 2 A little more progress on the St. Roch , first plank fitted to set the level to fit the first Bulwark . Progress will slow now as back in work after the Christmas break. yvesvidal, SiriusVoyager, robdurant and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiriusVoyager Posted January 5 Share #7 Posted January 5 This model is one I think I would like to do in the future. The legos in the clamps to hold the frame square is great! Looking forward to future updates. robdurant, Panteg Models and mtaylor 3 Quote - Eric Drafting: Sultan Arab Dhow Finished: Norwegian Sailing Pram, Lowell Grand Banks Dory, Muscongus bay lobster smack, OcCre Palamos, San Francisco Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted January 5 Share #8 Posted January 5 (edited) Very interesting model. I do have a question though: Are you sure that the planking of the hull was not supposed to be on each half-hull? I am asking this question, because BB is notorious for inventing the half-hull planking and then connecting both halves together. Perhaps, you decided to do otherwise.... Just wondering. Yves Edited January 5 by yvesvidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 8 Author Share #9 Posted January 8 On 1/5/2024 at 1:21 PM, yvesvidal said: Very interesting model. I do have a question though: Are you sure that the planking of the hull was not supposed to be on each half-hull? I am asking this question, because BB is notorious for inventing the half-hull planking and then connecting both halves together. Perhaps, you decided to do otherwise.... Just wondering. Yves Hi , my personal choice I prefer to join both sides of the frame before planking. yvesvidal and robdurant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 9 Author Share #10 Posted January 9 Making some slow progress on the bulwarks. clearway, hamilton, Diver and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted January 9 Share #11 Posted January 9 Looks good so far - I'm not sure where you're located, but I'm in Vancouver and have visited the St. Roch many times. I have a tonne of photos of the reconstructed vessel as she sits in the Vancouver Maritime Museum and I'd be happy to share these with you if you like - not sure how detailed you want to get, but they might be helpful.....PM me if it's something you're interested in. hamilton Panteg Models and Diver 2 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 13 Author Share #12 Posted January 13 A little more work on the Bulwarks on the Billings St Roch. clearway, SiriusVoyager, BobG and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 13 Author Share #13 Posted January 13 On 1/9/2024 at 8:51 PM, hamilton said: Looks good so far - I'm not sure where you're located, but I'm in Vancouver and have visited the St. Roch many times. I have a tonne of photos of the reconstructed vessel as she sits in the Vancouver Maritime Museum and I'd be happy to share these with you if you like - not sure how detailed you want to get, but they might be helpful.....PM me if it's something you're interested in. hamilton Hi Many thanks I'm I Swansea South Wales UK , please see PM. Thanks Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 18 Author Share #14 Posted January 18 Bulwarks now finished , now to decide whether to plank the deck before the hull ? Harvey Golden, SiriusVoyager, BobG and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted January 18 Share #15 Posted January 18 Your way of approaching the model will make it difficult to sand smooth the hull without damaging the railings. But it can be done, if you are looking for a challenge. Yves Panteg Models 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted January 18 Share #16 Posted January 18 It will take some finessing, for sure - but if you use a scalpul blade to shave off any ridges between planking strakes and then sand the planks manually (and carefully following the wood grain) along the bulwarks you should be ok - looks good so far to me hamilton yvesvidal and Panteg Models 2 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 19 Author Share #17 Posted January 19 So decided to plank the hull first on the St Roch. clearway, king derelict, yvesvidal and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 19 Author Share #18 Posted January 19 23 hours ago, yvesvidal said: Your way of approaching the model will make it difficult to sand smooth the hull without damaging the railings. But it can be done, if you are looking for a challenge. Yves You make a fair point , every day is a school day! I think with a bit of tape protection I will be ok ( hopefully ! ) yvesvidal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted January 25 Author Share #19 Posted January 25 The planking continues on the Billings St. Roch. robdurant, JacquesCousteau, SiriusVoyager and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted February 3 Author Share #20 Posted February 3 Plodding along with the planking on the Billings St. Roch , while waiting to watch the Six Nations Rugby this afternoon. SiriusVoyager, JacquesCousteau, BobG and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted February 12 Author Share #21 Posted February 12 Planking slowly progressing on the Billings St. Roch. Harvey Golden, David Lester, JacquesCousteau and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmherbert Posted February 13 Share #22 Posted February 13 Hi, check out David Lester's build log of the st roch he has just started. There is a link to the maritime museum 360 virtual tour. It's great. You can look all over the ship and even has a measuring tool so you can figure actual dimensions of everything. Quite a resource. I'm just starting the st roch too so I'll will be following along closely. Looks like you've made a great start. Bill Panteg Models 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted February 18 Author Share #23 Posted February 18 On 2/13/2024 at 3:22 AM, wmherbert said: Hi, check out David Lester's build log of the st roch he has just started. There is a link to the maritime museum 360 virtual tour. It's great. You can look all over the ship and even has a measuring tool so you can figure actual dimensions of everything. Quite a resource. I'm just starting the st roch too so I'll will be following along closely. Looks like you've made a great start. Bill Thanks , will do ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted February 18 Author Share #24 Posted February 18 A bit more progress on planking the hull on the Billings St. Roch , may not be text book ? But how I like to do it. yvesvidal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lester Posted February 18 Share #25 Posted February 18 (edited) Your St. Roch is looking very good. I'm curious about one thing though. When you planked the upper hull at the bow, did you check to see if there was room for the decal with the name of the boat to fit in the recessed part. It looks like you've used the 3mm planking, and to my eye, it looks like there is enough room, but when I tried it I could not create a wide enough gap to accommodate the decal. I ended up using 2mm planks. Looking very nice. David Edited February 18 by David Lester Quote Current Build - St. Roch, Billing Boats; HMS Agamemnon, Caldercraft (on hold) Previous Builds - Armed Virginia Sloop, Model Shipways; Constitution, Model Shipways; Rattlesnake, Mamoli; Virginia Privateer, Marine Model Co, restoration; Prince de Neufchatel, Model Shipways; Charles W. Morgan, Model Shipways; Pride of Baltimore II, Model Shipways, Bluenose, Model Shipways (x2); Niagara, Model Shipways; Mayfower, Model Shipways; Shamrock V, Amati; HMS Pegasus, Victory/Amati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmherbert Posted February 20 Share #26 Posted February 20 Hull is looking very good. I think i do the planking about like you do. Although I have never used pins or nails to clamp the planks. I use a drop of CA at each bulkhead and pva along the joint between planks. I'm certainly not skilled enough to plank like the good modelers do. Bill Panteg Models 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted February 22 Author Share #27 Posted February 22 On 2/18/2024 at 1:33 PM, David Lester said: Your St. Roch is looking very good. I'm curious about one thing though. When you planked the upper hull at the bow, did you check to see if there was room for the decal with the name of the boat to fit in the recessed part. It looks like you've used the 3mm planking, and to my eye, it looks like there is enough room, but when I tried it I could not create a wide enough gap to accommodate the decal. I ended up using 2mm planks. Looking very nice. David Hi David , No I don't think the decal will fit in the recess , But from some images I was sent of the original from the museum in Vancouver it appears to overlap ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted February 22 Author Share #28 Posted February 22 Finished planking the hull on the Billings St. Roch , next job fit and shape the stern blocks. Paul Le Wol, yvesvidal and JacquesCousteau 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmherbert Posted February 23 Share #29 Posted February 23 Planking came out very nice. Not much fairing to do. Bill Panteg Models 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panteg Models Posted yesterday at 06:18 PM Author Share #30 Posted yesterday at 06:18 PM Following an extensive break mostly due to lack of time , the bench is tidied ready to get back to work . Now where was I ? yvesvidal, Paul Le Wol, JacquesCousteau and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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