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In answer to the matte finish question,. The one I use Testors Dulcoate is brushed on. It does coat nice and evenly if that was your concern.

Completed scratch build: The armed brig "Badger" 1777

Current scratch build: The 36 gun frigate "Unite" 1796

Completed kits: Mamoli "Alert", Caldercraft "Sherbourne"

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Thanks guys for your response. 

 

Andrew, about that detailing I 'll have to say I wished I had done the build in a 1:48 scale in stead of 1:64. All the elements get really really tiny. And the camera on my telephone can see them much better than my eyes can. A phenomenon probably most of you will recognise.

 

Thanks Keith!

 

Thanks Doreltomin, yes 'pawl' would be the word I was looking for.

 

Thanks Jacques, I used lime wood for the deck planking. I have a dark brown, almost black wash that I apply to it. But very briefly. Before it dries I rub it off with a piece of cotton.  This is to accentuate the fibers of the wood and gives it a light grey hue.

 

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Here is a traditional ship in the harbour where I come from. It is called a 'botter'. These are the colours I trie to emulate. The deck is not made out of oak and it is not varnished like the rest of the hull.

 

Thanks Rich.

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                                                        the Companionway

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The companionway, like most of the deck furniture, was not on the construction plan. However the location and the exact size of the hatch were. So I had to come up with a shape. After scanning through a bunch of paintings and drawings and models of roughly that period, I sketched a few of the possibilities. In order to get a bit more specific, I took the plan that Ab Hoving used for his fishing hooker by Fredrik Henrik Af Chapman. 

 

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It is a bit hard to discern but there is a faint dotted line describing the shape of the structure. After I subtracted that small shape from the Chapman-plan, I made it fit on the side-view of the van Zwijndregt hooker. After that I modified it slightly into an arched roof (blue line) without deviating too much from that original shape.H82-71.jpg.fa0c89dd8604f90da8f4da7338bd5639.jpg

In the search for contemporary companionways I came across pictures of a wooden sailing ship called 'the Phoenix' which had a version with an arched roof I thought would match the hooker ship nicely. 

 

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The reason I used the Chapman-shape as a base, was that by now I knew that hardly anything on a sailing ship is designed randomly. The companionway on the Chapman hooker is much lower than the one on the Phoenix. Probably because the bowsprit starts at the main mast in this type of rigging so everything in front of the mast had to stay under it. 

 

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best regards,

Rik

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The companionway hatch turned out swell, Rick. Your use of washes is great, something I need to learn to do here shortly. 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

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Thanks Rutger, I 'm glad you like it. How are you doing with that Twikkelo?

 

For finishing or colouring the wood on this ship there's a very simple product that I use all the time. It's a dark brown, almost black acrylic paint. But there are three different ways of applying the paint that makes it so versatile.

The first one is to apply the paint very thinned down with water and immediately afterwards wipe it off again with a piece of cloth. That is what I used on the deck planks. With larger areas you have to be careful though, because the paint has to be wiped off before it dries. With the deck for instance I only did two rows at a time.

The second one is to apply the thinned down version and let it sit. An example would be the doors of the companionway. The paint is used as a glaze. 

The third way is to use the paint as a covering finish. That one is being used on the side of the companionway and the coamings for instance. I still dilute the paint considerably though.

 

And it might be obvious but I would like to add that the quality of the brush plays an important role in this process. 

 

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I only use the two at the bottom. They are brushes ment for painting with watercolour or ink. It doesn't have to be top quality but the brush needs to be soft. The one at the top is very useful for painting on canvas but definitely not on a ship model. It is made out of pigs hair or it can be synthetic but it is too stiff to make a smooth coating.

 

I hope this is somewhat useful.

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On 9/15/2024 at 2:26 PM, Rik Buter said:

The only thing I would suggest, if I look at post #230, is to apply the paint much thinner. 

 Rick, the piece in #230 was a test piece with at least four coats of different colors which has since been put in the bin. Scale and materials determine how to paint a subject, IMHO. At 1:120 I have to apply paint pretty thickly as normally the pieces are small and a wash effect would be lost. Highlighting a dirty area needs to be a thick black (or brown) or it just doesn't show. Make sense? 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

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4 hours ago, Keith Black said:

 Rick, the piece in #230 was a test piece with at least four coats of different colors which has since been put in the bin. Scale and materials determine how to paint a subject, IMHO. At 1:120 I have to apply paint pretty thickly as normally the pieces are small and a wash effect would be lost. Highlighting a dirty area needs to be a thick black (or brown) or it just doesn't show. Make sense? 

 

I am afraid it doesn't. But by all means Keith, apply the paint thickly.

 

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Golly, I don't want to hijack your log with my painting issues. If you'd like we can continue this conversation on my log, okay? 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

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Rik, thanks for the explanation of your methods. This knowledge definitely will prove useful once I get around to experimenting with finishing my next model. 

About the Twickelo project, I'm currently in the middle of moving houses, which sadly means I have near 0 time to work on modeling. But on the plus side the new house has enough space to be able to build a permanent modelling workshop, which will definitely help the project along when I get to the building stage.

I have however received high resolution copies of the lines plan and detail drawings of the decorations, courtesy of the Maritime museum in Rotterdam. So if I can make time, in the coming weeks, I'll be able to start Fairing the lines(if needed) and developing the frames.

 

In the meantime I'll be able to still the modelling fervor by living vicariously through great logs like yours 😉.

~Rutger

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                                                                                                             the Skylight

 

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The construction plan of this hooker ship does not feature any deck furniture. There was a deck plan though, so I could at least determine the exact size and placement of all the hatches. I already put all the coamings on the deck. The area of the ship right underneath the rear hatch, was probably used as living space that would need ventilation and light. So I think the hatch cover was build as a skylight. But because it was a fishing boat, it can't have been very fancy.

 

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A butterfly-skylight with plain wooden covers.

 

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Best regards

 

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Thanks Chris. Actually the Dutch marine painting is what got me into modelmaking in the first place. As a big fan of that category I used to study all the books on that subject. Some of the books were also about sailing and sailing ships and contained construction plans. So one day I tried and see if I could build one.

 

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Here is one of the early models, build with black and white cardboard. I think it is a Gloucester schooner.

 

Posted

She's beautiful, Rik. 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

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Rik, the skylight is a lovely addition to the whole. The Hooker is looking great!

I was thinking about something you said in post #45 about the grating coaming not sitting on the beams and carlings on Dutch ships.

In the Maritime museum in Vlissingen they have a construction model of a 64 gun ship of the line (presumed to be to a Zwijndregt design). This model showed the coaming to sit on top of the beams.

Could it be that ships of war used a different technique compared to civilian ships?

~Rutger

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I don't know, it could be. It could also be that the model was of Dutch design but was build somewhere else. And if the exact position of the coamings was not specified, the modelmaker did not execute it according Dutch fashion. I spoke to Ab a few weeks ago and he told me something similar about the model in the Rijksmuseum that is also linked with van Zwijndregt. It is a mix of Dutch design and British interpretation...

By the way, do you have a picture of that model in Vlissingen? I am very curious.

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Found the pictures.

 

The model is in a very nice display with lots of lighting. Wich made for good pictures.

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This is the online archive link for the model.

{Constructionmodel of a warship of 58 pieces which has strong likeness to the ships designed by the "van Zwijndregt" family}: :https://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=110004689 

~Rutger

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