clloyd Posted January 25, 2014 #1 Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Hi All just uploaded a gallery of photos of the Batavia original timbers that are on display in the Shipwreck museum in Fremantle. I took these about 18mo ago while out there, and figured they would be a useful resource for anyone interested in VOC ships. Batavia dates from 1628. There are some interesting features and a couple of the cannon she was carrying as well. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/648-batavia-shipwreck-wa-museum-shipwreck-galleries-fremantle/ Imgages are HD size - which kept them well inside the upload size limit. If anyone wants full size (18M pixel) of any pic PM and I'll forward it to you. Colin Edited January 25, 2014 by clloyd KevinR, dafi, Brian the extraordinaire and 2 others 5 Quote -- Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch Jeannie Johnston; 18thC Longboat with my son Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF "If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way"
Jim Lad Posted January 25, 2014 #2 Posted January 25, 2014 Well done with the photos, Colin; as I recall that's a very dark gallery at the museum. John Quote
druxey Posted January 25, 2014 #3 Posted January 25, 2014 Fascinating constuction at the stern with those angled planks Thanks for posting the pics, Colin. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
mtaylor Posted January 26, 2014 #4 Posted January 26, 2014 Great pictures, Colin. I do have a suggestion.. pull them out of the gallery (it's for completed models) and put them here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/forum/43-model-ship-clubs-and-exhibitions-and-events-museums-and-museum-ships/ since that's where museums, etc. should be placed. It'll make them easier to find if someone wants to add to It or find them. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 26, 2014 #5 Posted January 26, 2014 Very nice, This boat is on my future build list and I am always interested in anything VOC. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
clloyd Posted January 26, 2014 Author #6 Posted January 26, 2014 John, thanks - your recollection is correct - it is quite dim and absolutely pushing the limits of my camera. Druxley, Marc - I figured the general interest in any contemporary evidence amongst the members of this site would make things like that (which are quite different) interesting and hopefully useful. Mark - I got stuck in a "lots of pics" = "gallery" mindset. I checked with chuck and he was ok, but you are absolutely right - that forum is probably a better place. Will shift things around when I get more than 5 mins to myself. Colin mtaylor and Jaxboat 2 Quote -- Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch Jeannie Johnston; 18thC Longboat with my son Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF "If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way"
michaelpsutton2 Posted January 30, 2014 #7 Posted January 30, 2014 Thanks Quote Drown you may, but go you must and your reward shall be a man's pay or a hero's grave
Keith_W Posted April 4, 2014 #8 Posted April 4, 2014 I was going to create a new thread when I remembered there was an existing thread on the Batavia, so I decided to upload photos here instead. So here goes. janos and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel
Keith_W Posted April 4, 2014 #9 Posted April 4, 2014 Here are more. View of the curved timbers at the stern. Where toledo worm had eaten holes in the hull, Dutch carpenters mended the damage with patches, as shown here. Scarph joint. I asked the tour guide what these little holes represented. He said that the hull was copper plated. I pointed out that the Batavia was launched in 1629, and that copper plating was only invented in 1750. He said that he will discuss this with the curator. Anybody know what these holes may represent? They seem too regular to be due to marine life. Pictures of the inside of the hull, looking towards the stern. Various artefacts recovered from the ship. A victim of murder. Note the hatchet mark on the skull. dafi, *Hans*, ken thomson and 1 other 4 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel
dafi Posted April 4, 2014 #10 Posted April 4, 2014 Wonderful pictures, thank you! "I asked the tour guide what these little holes represented. He said that the hull was copper plated. I pointed out that the Batavia was launched in 1629, and that copper plating was only invented in 1750. He said that he will discuss this with the curator. Anybody know what these holes may represent? They seem too regular to be due to marine life." Second wooden planking as food for the worms? XXXDAn mtaylor and Keith_W 2 Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit), USS Constitution 1:96 (Revell) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html
realworkingsailor Posted April 4, 2014 #11 Posted April 4, 2014 I remember reading somewhere early methods of anti fouling involved the use of lead (or other non-ferrous) nails. Andy Keith_W 1 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy
michaelpsutton2 Posted April 4, 2014 #12 Posted April 4, 2014 In England at least, some ships were sheathed with an expendable / renewable thin layer of planks. Sometimes "noxious compounds" were put under the planks. It was fairly effective at keeping worms out of the real planking but did nothing to inhibit the growth of weed during long jouneys. Some ships returned from years long trips to the tropics trailing long streamers of seaweed which slowed their speed to a crawl. There were limited experiments with closely spaced big headed nails Keith_W, davyboy and flying_dutchman2 3 Quote Drown you may, but go you must and your reward shall be a man's pay or a hero's grave
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 6, 2014 #13 Posted April 6, 2014 I asked the tour guide what these little holes represented. He said that the hull was copper plated. I pointed out that the Batavia was launched in 1629, and that copper plating was only invented in 1750. He said that he will discuss this with the curator. LOL....oops, the tour guide didn't know what he was telling you. I love all the pictures you put up from the Batavia. You are giving me a detailed tour of what is located on the other side of the planet. Thank you. Marc Keith_W 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Keith_W Posted April 6, 2014 #14 Posted April 6, 2014 (edited) As far as possible, I try to avoid coming across as a smartass. But this time, I really thought that something interesting was amiss. I knew for sure it was not copper plated, and it was my interest in history that lead me to question him, rather than any desire to show him up. To his credit, he took it really well. All the theories postulated above seem plausible to me, so thank you gents. Edited April 6, 2014 by KeithW flying_dutchman2 and *Hans* 2 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 6, 2014 #15 Posted April 6, 2014 As far as possible, I try to avoid coming across as a smartass. This is the approach I always take. My knowledge of plants, soils, insects and plant diseases is very advanced. I also love what I do, so that helps. I am very good at it. When I do explain to people a question they ask, I give details and I will tell them the way it is. Sounds arrogant? I can be. If you know your sh*t, there is nothing wrong with correcting others. Sounds harsh, but as a Dutchman, we are "direct", no flowery language. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
mtaylor Posted April 6, 2014 #16 Posted April 6, 2014 Misinformation by guides abounds. The best one I've ever heard was that the "birth deck" (sic) on the Vic was where the sailor's wives went to deliver their babies. flying_dutchman2, janos and dafi 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 6, 2014 #17 Posted April 6, 2014 Misinformation by guides abounds. The best one I've ever heard was that the "birth deck" (sic) on the Vic was where the sailor's wives went to deliver their babies. :D :D :D :D :D That is good one LOL. It is the logical answer. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
dafi Posted April 27, 2014 #18 Posted April 27, 2014 Misinformation by guides abounds. The best one I've ever heard was that the "birth deck" (sic) on the Vic was where the sailor's wives went to deliver their babies. Already looking forward to include this in my build :-) XXXDAn janos and mtaylor 2 Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit), USS Constitution 1:96 (Revell) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html
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