hms triton; first attempt at plank on frame

[yamsterman]

hi all

just a quick update.frames are now done and raised on the keel.ive used some fillers to brace the frames. these will be covered by the planking at a later date.the one thing i forgot to do was take some photos of the frames in the jig. i didnt make anything special as far as the jig was concerned just asimple right angle arrangement with frame c as a reference point.all frames aligned with frame c and braced and glued one at a time. all held together with a heath robinson contraption of clamps and elastic bands.

 

 

this will probably be the last post for a couple of weeks or so as im waiting for my new brynes saw to arrive.exciting!!!

i will need this to cut the planking and decking accurately.

 

 

cheers....mick

[Pete38]

Congrats on the frame raising     

 

Always a nice milestone in the build.  Looks like you may have already done some sanding on the frames, if not nice job on the raising.  Looking forward to more...........

[yamsterman]

Hi Pete

Yep frames are up. Couldn't resist doing some sanding...four hours later!!! Started with some 80 grit will now work down to some finer grits as the basic shape has been achieved.just got to wait for my new brynes saw to turn up and I can then start to cut some planking. I've always been somewhat daunted by this method of building so thanks to everybody involved in designing the project and drawing up the plans, makes life easier for my part. Looking forward to the rest of the build.

Cheers...mick

[yamsterman]

Hi all

Good news is that my Byrne's saw is on its way!I can start cutting some planking for the cross section.

I've also downloaded some of the PDFs for the triton full build. I think the dark side comment! I'm going to have to change my name to Darth yamster!

I do however have a question about the building board. I've had the frame jig printed out, I presume we use this on the baseboard to line up the keel and the square frames, also the cant frames. The spacer strip controls the distance of the second guide? For the frames. Is there a recommended thickness for this second jig?

I would appreciate if anybody can help

Cheers....mick

[mtaylor]

Mick,

 

The thickness is variable and by that I mean that it shouldn't flex.  You can use thinner material but you'll need to use more spacer bolts.  I hope I'm interpreting the question correctly.

[d_yur]

Hello, Mick! Thank you for your interest in my work. I hope you do not mind if I answer here. The thickness of the top of the pile does not matter. The main thing that she kept the form and does not limit your actions. Its primary purpose to hold the frames in the correct position during assembly. I used a 6 mm thick plywood. 

 

Good luck to you. 

Yuri

[shoule]

 I've just come across your log, Mick, and I have to say: very nice work, so far.

 I look forward to following along.

 Oh, and I wish that I had a Byrne's saw on the way. I'm stuck doing everything the old fashioned way, with blades, scrapers and lots of sand paper. Fortunately, I'm quite used to it.

 Keep them coming.

 

Steve

[yamsterman]

Hi mark

Thanks for the answer. Yes you did interpret it correctly.having never used this arrangement before I was just wondering whether this former(?) Was of a criticalthickness .if not I shall probably use ply or MDF 9 to 12 mm thick.thanks for taking the time to answer.

Cheers mick

[yamsterman]

Hi Yuri

Thanks for the info.just having some of the larger plans printed up in preparation. Will have to finish the cross section and finish rigging the slloop model before I can start on the full build. I shall be following your build closely !!!!

Keep up the good work

Cheers....mick

[yamsterman]

Hi Steve

Thanks for the interest. Been drooling over Jim's tools for a while now. Just sold three horse drawn carriage models in order to help finance the purchase. Expensive game to import to dear old blighty....$195 in shipping and then another $120 in fees for her Majesty's customs and excise. OUCH!!!!!

but if you want the best you have to be prepared to pay for it....should last a lifetime though.

Now to start saving somemore pennies for a thickness sander!!!

I must admit I tend to do everything else by hand myself,I don't have a scroll saw so use a jewelers saw for cutting out the frames,various planes for thicknessing timber and the inevitable sandpaper!

Thanks for the interest in my humble offerings.....more soon.

Cheers.....mick

[yamsterman]

Hi all

Today mick is a very happy bunny!!!!!! The Byrne's saw was delivered this morning!!!

And what a cracking bit of kit it is too! Top marks to Jim and Donna. Time to make some sawdust this afternoon! Almost a shame to get it dusty. Too anybody humming and arring about getting one......DONT!!!! Despite the added costs of importing to the UK its well worth it, far superior machine to anything we can buy in Europe.

Now too save some more pennies for some extras and the next machine.

Cheers.....mick

[yamsterman]

hi all

just been looking through gary roberts list of drawings for the full hull build of hms triton.

the plans for belfry layout,binnacle capstan details,capstan layout,tritons stove and the wheel dont seem to be listed in the downloads section.

were these lost to the ether in the great crash?

are they still available?

would prove to be useful ,save me rooting through tons of reference material.

would be greatful if anyone could help,just spent a a couple of hours printing off all the plans so the printers red hot and probably running low on ink!

cheers........mick

[yamsterman]

hi all

back home after a couple of days chillin (rock beer and curry!) serious abuse of ones ears and digestive system. marvellous!!

just a few more photos of the cross section,been sneaking a bit of time in whilst finishing the sloop model off.

 

frames faired, i hope. wale strakes fitted in ebony.

limber boards and strakes fitted just working my way round the various ceiling timbers.

 

have cut some forms for the deck beams will be soaking some pear later and clamping everything up for later.

 

will now be working on triton section more or less full time,whilst i do some planning for the next full hull build.

 

 

cheers for now.

[Pete38]

Very nice work....is that ebony you are using or just a stained wood...

[yamsterman]

Hi Pete

Thanks for the compliment. I've decided to try and avoid using paint or stain of any description on this build. So its pear wood for the bulk of the timbering,ebony for the wales and a couple of entry steps ,bulwark capping and fenders. Boxwood for planking above the wale and holly for decks and planking below the water line. I'm trying to find a fine grained timber that's a descent red color for inside the bulwarks and gun carriages. Any ideas?

Cheers .......mick

[Pete38]

Heart wood seems to have a very nice reddish tint.  If you look over in Rusty's  (GREAT)   triton cross section around about here     http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/275-hms-triton-cross-section-by-rusty-148-completed/page-10   you can see how he used it in his build and what it looks like.  And here  http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/materials_and_tools/Modelling_Woods.pdf  is a good list of woods in the MSW database  that is a good reference...looking forward to see how you choose.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Pete38

[yamsterman]

Hi Pete

Thanks for the info.

Cheers ....mick

[yamsterman]

hi all

bit more progress to report. ceiling work finished up to first deck level.....preparing to treenail.

 

pulled some 1mm sqaure pear thru a byrnes drawplate down to no 29  , which appears to correspond to 0.7mm. done a couple a trial fittings and all looks ok.

 

first two deck beams cut to size.....thats it for tonight.

 

cheers....mick

[yamsterman]

hi all

with thanks to pete 38 for pointing me in the right direction , ive been experimenting with a few different wood species primarily for the waterways and bulwark planking.

 

seems to boil down to about three species. chakte kok (redheart) , satine bloodwood and the lovely pink ivory.

 

ive uploaded a few photos for your appreciation. all timber is cut from pen blanks on the bandsaw ( apart from boxwood and ebony) and is still a little on the rough side.

 

all comments welcome.

 

photo 1 l to r  ebony,european box , pink ivory , satine bloodwood

 

photo 2  as photo 1 but with flash.

 

photo 3  satine bloodwood  and redheart

 

photo 4 ebony and european box

 

photo 4 pink ivory .

 

photo 5 satine bloodwood

 

photo 6 redheart.

 

photo 7  close up of photo 1.

 

 

 

im seriously tempted to use the pink ivory!

 

 

cheers.....mick

[Pete38]

With the flash and with out the flash the pink ivory sticks out as my  favorite. Was drawn to it first with out know which was what.  Any of the woods would be a good choice...so it boils down to what "YOU" like in your model. 

Looking forward to your choice....Good Luck

[yamsterman]

Hi Pete

I think I will finish both the pink ivory and blood wood and see which I prefer! I'm leaning towards the pink!

Thanks for your thoughts.

Cheers......mick

[harvey1847]

Hello Mick!

 

I´d go for the wood "wood for triton 007.JPG" for the wales and waterails and "wood for triton 008.JPG" for the interior and exterior planks above the wale.

 

Next time remember to click (once you have all the pics uploaded) on "Add to the post" (on red) so can describe every single pic you attach to the post...

 

Best wishes!

 

 

Daniel.

[yamsterman]

Hi Daniel

Thanks for the info...I was wondering how to do that!

Cheers....mick

[yamsterman]

hi all

just acouple of photos to show current progress. treenailing of thickstuff and ceiling timbers now done. just started work on lower deck.

 

cheers.....mick

[Matrim]

Coming together nicely.The wood is also a good colour..

[yamsterman]

Hi matrim

Steamed swiss pear from arkowood in Germany. Should look nice with a coat or two of osmo top oil. Cutting these joints is a fiddly business! Back too work for the next four nights so no model making till next week.

Cheers....mick

[yamsterman]

hi all

its about time for an update on the cross section progress. 

unfortunately i got carried away with unbridled enthusiasm and forgot to take any photos of the completed lower deck.

however some of the work can still be seen, as ive left some deliberate gaps in the planking.

photos show current state of play , just about to start the gun deck , and this time i will remember to take some photos!

 

been busy this morning cutting up some holly and boxwood.

 

also purchased a couple of 1mm 3 flute milling cutters. i will need these when i get round to making the ladders, plus they will come in useful generally!

 

might just get some in 1.5,2 2.5 and 3mm to cover a few eventualitys

 

thats all for now folks

 

 

cheers....mick

[mtaylor]

Mick,

 

Impressive work you are doing.  Keep it up.

[yamsterman]

Hi mark

Many thanks. I just keep looking at what the guys and gals are achieving onvarious blogs and hope to emulate the high standards set by others.......hopefully!

Cheers...mick

[jaerschen]

It's looking great Mick, very clean work