Drazen Posted March 3, 2013 #1 Posted March 3, 2013 Ahoy there! Since all the information has been lost, first I want to ask you if I shall post the project in progress till now (I am working now already for two years on it). I could post the photos as I have saved ithen and add some very short comments. ?? Dražen FrankWouts and henkvankomen 2 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
RiverRat Posted March 3, 2013 #2 Posted March 3, 2013 Naturlich! Please do. More reconstructed logs (especially pictures) are always good. FrankWouts 1 Quote "Give you joy!" Current Build: RATTLESNAKE 1:64 POB (Mamoli) Kits on hand: "Lexington", Mamoli: "Robert E. Lee", Scientific Scratch to do: "Fannie Dugan", 1870s Sidewheeler Steamboat
mtaylor Posted March 3, 2013 #3 Posted March 3, 2013 Drazen, It is your choice. Do as much or as little in way of catch up as you want. Some people are doing a full restore and others are just doing a quick summary or review. FrankWouts and Keith Black 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
amateur Posted March 3, 2013 #4 Posted March 3, 2013 Glad you are back! You can do a 'speed log' as many of us have done: just the highlights of what was done before. Jan FrankWouts 1 Quote
Anja Posted March 3, 2013 #5 Posted March 3, 2013 Hello Dražen, Jan is welcoming you back. So somehow I missed this one on the older version of MSW. It would be great to see your build of 'De Zeven Provinciën'. It's indeed your choice. A complete log of your work for over two years may a little to much and will take a lot of time. But please do post the pictures. Thank you for sharing and reposting. I will follow your build with interest. Take care, Anja FrankWouts 1 Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo
Drazen Posted March 3, 2013 Author #6 Posted March 3, 2013 I will do a more informative restore, but will take my time for that. Please, be patient. I am just in the mid of building the decks together from hundreds of small pieces I made in past months and would like to finish this job to make me feel better .. Dražen ... and I hope we learned from this hard disc-disaster and will have a good backup in the future. FrankWouts 1 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
mtaylor Posted March 3, 2013 #7 Posted March 3, 2013 Drazen, Do what you need to do. We'll be here. I can understand about a zillion parts all over the place. As for the "disaster", I think the lesson was learned. de7provincien and FrankWouts 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Piet Posted March 4, 2013 #8 Posted March 4, 2013 Hey Dražen, Good to see you back and good to hear you have been busy with the 7 P. I'm also in the process of rebuilding my log but am very slow at it. Cheers, FrankWouts 1 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #9 Posted March 4, 2013 Here we go… My model of the Zeven Provincien does have following dimensions: Overall length: 135.6 cmLength of the waterline: 102.6 cmLength of the keel: 89,3 cmHull width: 28.2 cmOverall width: 57,8 cm I had started the project in February 2011, collecting some sources for the project for few months before this date: Plans, books, etc. Why I decided to go with this model...There have been also several other French and English ships as options, also the Swedish Vasa. Vasa would be much easier concerning the information we have about this ship, but Vasa has a bad karma in my opinion. 7P at the opposite was a ship serving for many years with great success and thus contributing significantly to the Dutch history. I had been working for 13 years for a Dutch company (Philips) - who knows – maybe this had also contributed towards my decision to build this ship. ... and indeed, the main issue for me, and the main time consuming hurdle is – searching for the relevant historic information. Often, I do not have distinct 100% information which says: “Do so” or “It has been made like that”, but need to collect different sources and make my own decision. Dražen de7provincien and FrankWouts 2 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #10 Posted March 4, 2013 ... the happy thing is that I have few very serious coaches helping me with this built to whom I am very geratful. Some of them are friends and even very good friends of mine: Mile Bijelić – a very good friend from Zagreb/Croatia. Mile won Gold on the World championship twice: 1998. (am not sure exactly about the year) with the Royal Caroline, 1749 and 2013 with his HMS Royal Prince 1670 Ab Hoving – a very dear guy whom I extremely appreciate and see as the most relevant source for the knowledge in Dutch ship building. Artitec (www.artitec.nl) – I have got some very important information from Herbert Thomasen and am very grateful for this Some other not less important people, from Netherlands providing me with different information and sources Our Russian colleagues Alexandr Dobrenko and Dr. Mike and their video about ship building – a lot of excellent techniques which I post here as I make progress. And also thanks to Jan (MSW name: “amateur”) who follows my progress and provides a lot of fundamental information. Dražen FrankWouts 1 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Arjan68 Posted March 4, 2013 #11 Posted March 4, 2013 Hi Dražen, I followed your build on the old forum and it is some inpressive work you are creating ! Being Dutch I am also very interested in our 17th century ship building. You mention Ab Hoving. He is indeed a great source of knowledge. I have met him in person last year when he still was the head maritime curator in the National museum. He is retired now but still very eager to help others. Arjan FrankWouts and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote If it doesn't bend, it breaks.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #12 Posted March 4, 2013 yes, Ab is really great! de7provincien 1 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #13 Posted March 4, 2013 I will post here some historic paintings for people who do not know the ship and please you to read about it's history/facts in e.g. Vikipedia. ... also a photo of a model made by Herbert Tomaesen and a prortrait of admiral Michiel Andriaszoon de Ruyter who was commanding this ship. Dražen FrankWouts, avsjerome2003, Archi and 3 others 6 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #14 Posted March 4, 2013 ... than, before iI start with my build, i post few photos from the ship my friend Mile Bijelić made. Well, I hope to be not to far from the quality of the model, but, let's see... (Mile is the guy in blue shirt, I am on the left - the ship is the HMS Prince 1670, 1:70, won gold last year on World championship) Dražen Mirabell61, yvesvidal, druxey and 13 others 16 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #15 Posted March 4, 2013 My plans are not from the Rijksmuseum or by Dik, but I use the recent plans from the replica in Lelystad. They are quite different from the plans Dik made. Here you see the checking/correcting some drawings. Dražen FrankWouts, Archi, tarbrush and 5 others 8 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #16 Posted March 4, 2013 Making bulkheads... (Oh dear, this is my old fret saw. Now I am happy to have/use a Hegner Multicut 2 - a great machine indeed) Dražen Elmer Cornish, flying_dutchman2, FrankWouts and 3 others 6 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #17 Posted March 4, 2013 Making construction which is going to hold the model... Dražen Elmer Cornish, Archi, avsjerome2003 and 3 others 6 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #18 Posted March 4, 2013 ... and here the construction built together Dražen tarbrush, flying_dutchman2, Elmer Cornish and 1 other 4 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #19 Posted March 4, 2013 ... templates which I used to make bulkheads and later on to check the ship line. Dražen tarbrush, Elmer Cornish and Archi 3 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #20 Posted March 4, 2013 ... bulkheads on place. Please note that I have several horizontal ones at the places of strong curvature to control the shape easier.. Dražen avsjerome2003, Luca, Elmer Cornish and 5 others 8 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #21 Posted March 4, 2013 ... making wood to fill in the places between the bulkheads. I will have a more or less solid hull as a base for planking. Dražen Elmer Cornish, tarbrush and flying_dutchman2 3 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #22 Posted March 4, 2013 ... and also the places for the masts... Dražen Archi, tarbrush and Elmer Cornish 3 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #23 Posted March 4, 2013 The ship will stand on two massive screws covered by a piece of wood, so we need a construction to hold it securely. Dražen Archi, Mirabell61, avsjerome2003 and 3 others 6 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #24 Posted March 4, 2013 ... adding the wood to fill in the shape of the ship... Dražen tarbrush, Archi, Elmer Cornish and 1 other 4 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #25 Posted March 4, 2013 the hull is ready - nearly.... Can you recognize here the De Zeven Provincien? Dražen Archi, Elmer Cornish, flying_dutchman2 and 2 others 5 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #26 Posted March 4, 2013 I am painting the bulkheads in black for easy/safe control when grinding later on. Dražen tarbrush and Archi 2 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #27 Posted March 4, 2013 I am first using chisel to remove rough excess of material. Dražen Archi, Elmer Cornish, tarbrush and 1 other 4 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #28 Posted March 4, 2013 ... and here is the result. Dražen Archi, tarbrush and flying_dutchman2 3 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #29 Posted March 4, 2013 The hull after grinding and the tools I used for it. Dražen tarbrush, avsjerome2003, Archi and 1 other 4 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
Drazen Posted March 4, 2013 Author #30 Posted March 4, 2013 ...making extensions of the side walls... Dražen Archi, Elmer Cornish, tarbrush and 6 others 8 1 Quote There are no boundaries... … besides those we set for ourselves.
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