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HMS Terror by Jond - OcCre - 1:75
clearway replied to Jond's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
slap me thrice and hand me back to me mother this is going to look awesome Keith- 43 replies
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HMS Terror by Jond - OcCre - 1:75
clearway replied to Jond's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
you are welcome- it is good seeing a different take on the diorama as most i have seen show the ships ice bound or in open water- looking great so far. Keith -
HMS Terror by Jond - OcCre - 1:75
clearway replied to Jond's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
She certainly looks the part- i have heard the two ships were merchant rigged regards running rigging and Matthew mentions the large iron truss still attached to the foreyard so i will be fitting an iron swivel truss to my Erebus (i rigged my Terror with chain trusses navy style) and would alter the way the yard halliards / tyes are rigged. as regards the flying jib it would not be furled on the flying jib boom which is why you don't see it on illustrations and the boom would be run out if it was needed with the sail then run up. Keith -
Gotta love when a plan comes together -nice work there Keith Keith
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Thanks for looking in- have started putting the eyes in the decks around the masts and also between the helm timbers for the blocks to guide the steering ropes from the drum on the helm to the blocks on the bulwarks which take them to the tiller (eyebolts fitted for those too), also fitted the timbers midships for the boats to rest on (don't know why Occre have them on gallows)? Also fitted the Kevels for the main and foremast yard halliards. still need to fit the eyebolts with the rings for securing the anchor chain. Take care all Keith
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7mm is close enough - in full size terms you are only talking around an inch - i made my bowsprit around 7.5 mm diameter tapering down to around 6mm towards the cap Keith
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HMS Terror by Jond - OcCre - 1:75
clearway replied to Jond's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
once finished this diorama is going to look awesome- regards masts, rigging etc i used James Lees 'Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War' Keith. -
the doubling at the mast head (from the top to the mast cap) should be around 4-5 times the diameter of the mast head- yes you can see on Matthews plans that the doubling is about twice what occre give- on my Terror from the top to the masthead is around 35mm on the fore and main masts and a little less on the mizzen. here are the lengths in feet of the bowsprit and lower masts (outboard for bowsprit and above deck level for masts) from the 1838 admiralty order for a 10th rate frigate which the mast diameters tie in with (occre actually got the topmasts bang on)! bowsprit 29' - 22 1/2" dia. foremast 48'6" - 22 1/2"dia. mainmast 53'6" - 24" dia. mizzen mast 43' 6" - 18"dia. taken from Lees 'Masting and Rigging the English Man o War' hope this helps Keith
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good feeling when the whisky plank goes on! regards bowsprit 11mm shouldn't really make much difference to be honest- another thing to watch out for is the mast doubling which needs to be more than occre give. Keith
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Thanks for the likes and comments - always appreciated. After putting it off for a while have made the brackets for the davit posts and painted/ fitted them (sorry didn't get a pic before in the bare brass), using some scrap brass etch formed them using pliers and drilled a 0.68 mm hole in the 'lugs' then tacked them to the capping rail with CA gel then drilled and fitted Peco blackened brass track model railroad pins cut to length also with a drop of CA. I am making the posts that hold the skids 4mm square and the others 3mm. Also did a little more work on the bowsprit with the bees filed to blend with the bowsprit, blocks of wood fitted underneath for the fore topmast shroud sheaves and the jib boom saddle fitted. take care all Keith
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HMS Terror by Jond - OcCre - 1:75
clearway replied to Jond's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
The jib boom on all sailing vessels is made so it can be shipped and brought further inboard especially in port to prevent it getting snarled up - the flying jib boom is about two thirds the length of the jib boom and likewise when stowed it wont protrude much beyond the jib boom. Keith S and myself couldn't agree regards the gaffs on the fore and main, while they are there on the earlier expedition there isn't any sign of them on the newspaper illustration showing them leaving on the Franklin expedition- my main argument being they were to help in calm weather where as the steam engine that was fitted would make them redundant. all the standing rigging would be able to be removed and stored so would really depend on what moment in time you want to "catch" Also unlike Michaels drawings it looks like no mizzen topgallant masts were fitted or royal masts above the topgallants (they aren't there on the model of her as built at the Topsham museum) Keith -
nowt wrang wid that keith looks great😁 Keith
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HMS Terror by Jond - OcCre - 1:75
clearway replied to Jond's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
from drawings and paintings i have seen it looks like they struck everything bar the lower masts , bowsprit and shrouds/ forestays for them, the jib boom would have been brought in as well with not much protruding beyond the cap. it is nice to see terror can still mess with peoples heads😁. Keith -
Cheers Keith- snook under my radar- i was thinking should i review the kit but James saved me a job😁 Keith
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bought this a couple of weeks ago - looks like they have modelled her as she now appears in the museum- there are options to alter her depending on which era you want to depict though that could be opening another can of worms!!!! Keith
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i hear yer Keith - remember the fun i had having to strop all the deadeyes then drilling through and soldering brass wire through to attach them to the bar style plates on my Terror- the davit posts are square section that need bent to shape, drilled for pins to hold them to the bulwarks- think its more the thought of doing them than the actual deed! Occre have got me again and i have just bought their Fram kit which will need more of the same! Keith
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HMS Terror by Jond - OcCre - 1:75
clearway replied to Jond's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1801 - 1850
really moving forward now Jond- the fun and joy we inflict on ourselves! Keith -
thanks Keith- she has reached that stage where all the jobs are going to be fiddly with lots of scratch building ahead for the chainplates and brackets for davit posts which kind of put me off! Keith
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Back on Erebus after a couple months of 1/35 armour distraction! Glued the panels for the sheaves that go through the bulwarks for the fore and main course sheets and the main braces, also made a start on the bees battens on the bowsprit. Take care and thanks for the likes and looking in as always. Keith
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missed this bit- according to Lees masting and rigging there is a set length for bowsprits (outboard length not total length)- in our scale for the already mentioned 10th class frigate it is about 116mm long after it leaves the bulwarks at the bow. Keith
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ouch Keith! You guys get better soon and grit them paths young man 😱 Keith
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