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Working with Hull Planks on Model Space HMS Victory Kit
mtdoramike replied to CDW's topic in Wood ship model kits
The wood used in this kit is good quality wood that unfortunately resists being bent no matter how much you soak them. I used a pair of crimping pliers to get bends out of some of those stubborn planks. I would first soak them in boiling hot water with a little dish washing soap like Dawn with a little ammonia added to the water. I would let the planks soak over night and then while they were still wet, I would use the plank bending pliers, which helped get the proper bend and even a twisting bend is possible doing it this way. I would then apply the plank while it's still damp on the hull with super glue and nails. Then the plank can finish drying on the model. But make sure you lay a plank on each side of the model or hull as you go along as to not introduce a bow or twist in the hull once the plank dries. mike -
I received these today, too little too late I have to admit. But I'm hoping for no more cut hands. mike
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Yes, I went that evening to an Urgent care facility, they cleaned the wound and decided it didn't need stiches, so they used those butterfly type band aids to close it up and suggested I have my primary physician look at it in a few days. But he's out of town until Monday. I iced it down yesterday and last night so the swelling has come down drastically. mike
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hahahahahahahah, my wife threatened to take away my tools. The Monte is on the work table calling my name, but it will be at least a week before I will be able to really do a lot with my left hand, which has swollen up to almost twice it's normal size. mike
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Lay out line down the center of the deck from bow to stern. Then start your planking in the center of the deck working out to the sides. Never start your planking form the bulwarks or sides and go towards the center. Sorry, but looking at the pictures, I ain't seeing no bend or warp. mike
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Thanks George and Ken, yep, I found a pair of the butchers gloves on Amazon and ordered them. Cheap investment of $15.00 will keep me humming on the Monte. I'll be convalescing for a few days anyway so it will give me a chance to get the gloves. mike
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Well that old saying of a dull knife will cut you quicker is wrong. I mis-proved that statement today. A sharp knife will cut you longer and deeper. This happened with a new blade and again cutting out gun ports. I'm going to have to take a few days off and then when I hit it again, I will used my dremel tool with a router style bit and see if I can't keep from getting cut. This time I actually had to seek medical treatment. Blood spewed every where, it nicked a vessel. My work room looked like I had butchered a hog. mike
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I broke down and went to the store this morning and bought some new hobby knives AND BLADES! Take that Xacto. mike
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Thanks guys, and yep I leave a piece of me in every model that I have built. You know Don after reading your post, I just had to go in and get me a sip of a little Vodka since I had bought it back a few months ago when I came down with a bad cold. It helped cure the cold and made my finger feel not quite as bad as it looked. Well Craig right now I would have to say it's cutting out those %#&*&^())_))*&% gun ports. mike
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I did a little more planking yesterday until while cutting out the gun ports, my hobby knife slipped and cut my left thumb and left me with about a half inch cut. The bad thing I knew it was pretty dull, but I figured I would try and get a few more gun ports out of that old blade. But like the saying says "a dull knife will cut you quicker than a sharp one will". mike
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Thanks George and Ian, The problem with this kit to me is the thin wood used for the bulkheads and then with fewer bulkheads used, I figure it might help give a smoother finish to the planking once applied. I would have done this even if it were to be double planked hoping to get a smooth lay of the planking. mike
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Also to give you an idea of the length of the white wood and the reddish hull planking, the planks can be laid in one solid piece if you choose to do that. But although I appreciate the long length of the planking, I don't plank like that way. I prefer to do mine in sections just like the deck planking. mike
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I started planking the hull with the supplied wood and you can make out the contrast in the two dark woods. I planked the upper sides with some of the dark hull planking wood I had left over from the Latina Victory and now using the reddish colored wood to plank the bottom hull. I think it will look pretty neat once it's sanded and a good finish applied. mike
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The cheap quality woods and some fittings are what turns me off with Model Shipways kits. With their kits, you have basically one way to build it and that is usually painting the model. But with most foreign made kits, they use exotic woods and you have two options, either build the model and leave natural wood or paint it. Heck even their cheaper kits come second planked with a nice thin wood veneer. Plus I have never gotten a foreign kit with white pot metal cannon and fittings, they are usually turned brass from the cannon to the belaying pins. So I don't mind paying the extra for a kit that gives me these options plus a multitude of subjects to model. mike
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Oooo, lucky you Mark. I hope you start it soon and post some details of the kit as you go along. mike
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This is one fantastic piece of work on one of the most majestic ships in history. mike
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WOW, you are you are lucky, the only thing we can get around central Florida is red oak and maple. mike
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Thanks for the info Py, I was thinking it was a member of the walnut family, but mahogany makes a bit more sense. It is beautiful wood. I also notice that a lot of foreign kits use it, so it must be easier to get overseas than in the States. mike
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hahahahahaha, Heck I live here and this is the first I'm hearing of that BIG CABBAGE shortage. I didn't know we grew that much cabbage. I'm going to have to check into this I might need to stock pile some and jump the price up . Thanks guys, I'm going to start laying a few of those reddish planks and see how the contrast will be. mike
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I usually don't pay that much attention to paint schemes since over the decades most ships under went changing paint schemes. But if it were a historical ship with documented colors and I were building it as a commission for a client which requested historical colors then I would paint historical colors. But usually if it's mainly a display model that I'm building for myself or for sale then I would paint it the colors that I like. mike
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I had some left over planking from the Latina Victory and decided to use it for the upper sides and bulwarks planking because it is a different wood than the supplied hull planking wood from OcCre, which looks quite a bit like mahogany, which is a more redish color than the dark brown sapeli from Latina. mike
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Rigging tools how are they used
mtdoramike replied to Telp's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Just buy them, you can get them for like $13.00 on ebay. So at that price, why spend the time making your own when you could be spending that time working on your model. The most useful tool to me is the one with the flat end and a groove cut into it for pushing the rigging line onto playing pins. BUt you will need some type of rigging tools depending on the size of the model. The smaller the model the more the tools are needed. mike -
They use Sapeli on the Victory, which is quite a bit like dark walnut. Most of the larger more experienced models from AL only come with single planking, but the smaller or more of a beginner or intermediate level sometimes comes with double planking. But I think they are trying to get away from the double planking system. OcCre which is an off shoot of AL also uses single planking. I prefer single planking rather than using the white wood for the first layer then a real thin veneer as a second layer. You have to stain or paint the first layer because if you don't and there is a minute gap in between the second layer, it will stick out like a sore thumb. So if I have to do all that work, I would rather spend it on the first layer. mike
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Boy o boy, is this going to be one beautiful Victory. I can't wait to see her finished. mike
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I bet daddy, that Latina wood is some hard stuff, like cutting steel. I got so tired of cutting gun ports on the Vic, when I was finished cutting them I didn't want to see another gun port. I'm glad however that I gave myself a 1/8th inch space for the back of the dummy mount to the sides, had I positioned them flat on the inside of the sides, it would have left very little space behind the plank for the blade to cut the planking and I think I would have punched out a lot more than one gun port mount in the end. mike
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