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Hi Chap, No, I did not have a long drill bit.... 🙂 I have had a thought, (Today of all days), why not, after planking, affix a Brass tube, Brass or similar, to the Sternpost with some "Strong Tape." Same ID as you Drill Bit.... (4.0 mm?) You can then be assured that the hole will be square and perpendicular, sound like a plan? I bored my Stern Tube hole holding the Bit on the Sternpost, as mentioned, loss of skin.... (I guess you may be able to find a longer 4.0mm bit but once the hole is started and deep enough, it should follow. I wouldn't use Power but do it by hand, my opinion only. (I used Long Nose Pliers and Fingers to turn the Bit.... ) Anyway, I am hopeful that this will work for you, nice to "Articulate" things if possible. (You can then operate the Tiller and the Rudder will move.... (Not that anyone will know apart from yourself.) I think maybe the Tube/Tape Drill Guide option will give you the required clearance between Rudder and Sternpost also?? What do you reckon? The communication is good, Sir, it's like revisiting the build and what I might have done differently. 🙂) I guess the Hull Planking first to add that strength to the False Keel structure? Anyway, at the end of the day, your build. (you'll decide the best ay to approach things, consider carefully and maybe there are others on this awesome site that can offer more learned advice than this Chap. Really happy to proffer my advice. 🙂 Cheers and Regards, Harry. (HOF)

Hi Chap, In response to your biggest question first.... I drilled the Rudder tube after Planking, Hull and Deck. To gauge the angle, I held the Drill on the Sternpost, this ensured that the hole is at the correct angle and perpendicular. (As discussed, if the hull is planked first, the False Keel wont break. The "Doubler idea was just a thought....) So, the drill goes from the bottom, up. I placed a bit of Masking tape on the Deck where I judged the drill would come through to avoid any "Break-out." , Just take you time but keep the drill next to and in line with the Sternpost Make a template from Card for the Joggling operation first, it might save tears.... Cheers....HOF.

Hi Chap, The penetration for the Rudder tube was drilled after the False Keel/Deck installed, and Hull Planking completed. The Hull Planking ensured that the Rudder Penetration did not compromise the False Keel integrity. ( I guess an idea is that you could laminate/glue a Doubler either side of the False Keel Rudder Penetration prior to planking, (That would give you a better idea of where your Drill Bit would be tracking and not compromise the strength of the False keel Just a suggestion....) From memory, I used a small bit and drilled parallel/vertical to the Stern Post, gradually increasing the drill Bit size. (The bigger Bit follows the smaller hole….) Give a bit of "Wriggle Room" so that when you get to the final diameter, the Rudder fits flush with the Stern Post. (I used my fingers and {liers to turn the Drill Bit to this hole, a bit painful but well worth the discomfort/time/shredded skin.) Don't do this until you have the "Skeleton" completed, and, probably better complete before Planking is started. Or, If the false Keel is strengthened first, as per above, or, your Planking is installed first. (I am just suggesting an approach, you need to be comfortable with the method that you will take. Have a careful think about things and the "What If's?") 🙂 The penetration/hole of the Dowel diameter will ensure that the Tiller/Rudder will be able to be "Articulated" if that's what you wish to achieve, otherwise, just glue it in place.... ) (I love the moving bits if possible.... :-)) Yup, the "False Keel "Doublers." You need these. (Either side) The space at the bottom of the False Keel is so that you can fair everything in before planking and achieve a "Knife Edge" profile for Planking. They also provide support for Planking at the extremities. This is a "Single" Planked Ship, no additional Keel so the more you can get the symmetrical "Fairing" "Knife Edge" of Keel extermities the better. Planking will extend a little further than the Keel extremities, don't worry about that too much, there's plenty of thickness in the Hull Planking to carefully blend into the faured Bulkheads/False Keel. (You'll see....:-)) Take your time, consider your next move at least three times and then sleep on it..... 🙂 False Keel/Doublers takes a bit of patience. narrow sanding Block and "Cross Grain" sanding to remove excess material between the Bulkheads. (Don't gouge the Bulkheads!!) Get the "Knife" edge around the False Keel and the Planking should follow. (Flow) Does this make sense? Cheers and Regards, HOF. (Harry) If you want clarification, I have plenty of time on my hands at the mo until settlement. (Happy to assist if I can.) Domiciled in a holiday Park Cabin for the mo until 9th of June. Missing my three Abyssinian companions, Cattery in Wellington. at the mo.

Ditto.... Nice upgrade of the Billings offering!! Very nice indeed. Cheers....HOF.

Hi Chap, Good to see you "Back into the fold", as it were. Some "Positive" reinforcement, The shi looks awesome!! I think that the "Joggling" suits very well indeed!! In my humble opinion, of course, it suits the Ship.🙂 I'd be interested regarding the steps achieved to get the result that you have achieved. (Yup, Pen Duick, Joggling on the Centre Plank, but interested in the process that achieved your results with "Joggling" in the Waterways. I have read heaps but I'm hoping you have some "Process" Photos.) (I've got so many ships to build, so little time.... (As one of my colleagues used to say....) I'd like to do something like this for the "Flying Cloud." (Wished I'd done it for the Cutty Sark.) Life over the water is o.k.. Had to sell my forever home in Wellington and have purchased a new property in Manaia, Taranaki. (Not so many Earthquakes but living under a dormant Volcano.) Movers completed the "Uplift" Yesterday, Models Crated and moved into storage along with all other contents., hopefully they will be in one piece when they arrive in a few weeks time.... (Got them to label the "precious" stuff "Fragile.") Anyway, settlement on the new property, early June. myself and my partner are in temporary accommodation in Taranaki. (Abyssinian Cats in care at a Cat Motel, three of them....) I cannot do any modelling until we gat set up, god knows how long it's going to take to sort all the boxes but at least I can still get on-line.... 🙂 COVID19 Stuff: Not so much of an issue here at the mo, Level 2 today? Not quite sure what that entails but it's got to be better than Level 4, no movement, nothing and yesterday we did not get stopped by the Constabulary travelling to Taranaki. (Yourselves?) Anyway, probably too much information for you and this Forum.... You asked!! 🙂 Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Hi Chap, Sounds like you had a great "Road Trip!!" With the log I sent you yesterday, (Page 2 - 3), if you print the Deck pictures, (A4), it should be pretty close to the Model Deck dimensions, from memory.... Joggling on the centre can be more accurately calculated. Anyway, all the best and I'll keep an eye out. Cheers....HOF.

Hi Chap, That's some awesome Decking, love the "Joggling!!" Cheers....HOF.

Hi Chap, All the best with your build. I'll be on-line at our temporary accommodation in Taranaki for the next four weeks or so before we take possession of our new property, early June, so, I'll have some time on my hands to assist if I can. (interesting that I saw your build log last night, my Pen Duick is my last Ship Model to be "Crated" by the removal company today.) A few Videos that you may have seen already…. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pen+duick&&view=detail&mid=C14908C78CA25C11217EC14908C78CA25C11217E&&FORM=VRDGAR https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pen+duick&&view=detail&mid=4FF9B7C7C6B7889AA39C4FF9B7C7C6B7889AA39C&&FORM=VRDGAR https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pen+duick&&view=detail&mid=2C78B6E807DD3F8FED552C78B6E807DD3F8FED55&&FORM=VRDGAR Cheers....HOF.

Thanks Chap!!

Hi Chap, Found the Website that helped me "Joggle." http://5500.forumactif.org/t1271p50-pen-duick-d-artesania-latina Page 2 - 3 Cheers.... HOF.

Yup, Looking forward also. Pleased you picked up on the Sails.... Be careful with the Dowell measurements, there is no extra catered for. Also, take care with the Centre Mahogany Plank, If your going to Joggle, make the Cross Grain cuts with a Razor Saw, in fact, all the Mahogany parts are extremely brittle.... I "Articulated" the Skylights, just something different.... 🙂 Trying to find the Joggling that I copied from another modeller….. Tomorrow perhaps. Cheers, Harry.

Thank you for the complement Chap!! I am but a "Newbe" myself. Joggling the deck I was fairly anxious about myself but worked out o.k. I'll see if I still have some near scale photos from another modeller that I copied the "Joggle." Just take your time.... Sails, mine anyway, were a bit of a mission and not quite correct in length, "Luff?" My Partner did the sewing thing for me. I hope to be on-line soon, moving Myself, my partner, cats, ship models and the house contents from Wellington to Taranaki as of tomorrow afternoon.... Cheers and Regards, Harry Funnell.

Awesome!!

Looking good!! I was also looking at the Meccano....🙂 Cheers....HOF.

Hi Chap, Looking good, The Garboard Strake was always a bit of a mystery to me no matter how much I read. Looking forward to more of your "Practicum." Just a question, how are you planning to mount this? (Wood or Mirror?) (I think the Bourbon worked well!! 🙂) Cheers....HOF.

Ditto the above, Awesome!!

O.k. Trying to get back into it.... It's been a while, that's o.k. In between getting the house ready for sale, buying another, no one can move given the current climate.... So, pulled out the Rudder/Sternpost and associated components. Sternpost is at least 10mm too long so carved out the first layer of planking to accept, still too long so will have to make the Keel a bit thinner. Once I have things fitting, I'll try to "Articulate" the Rudder. Doesn't look to flash at this time.... (Second Planking can then follow.) A couple of photos.... Cheers....HOF.

Hi Chap, With regards to Masting/Rigging, have you seen Mr. Earls' Bluenose II practicum? https://modelboatyard.com/bluenose2_articles.html Cheers....HOF.

Hi Chap, A look at your photos, I don't think that your Mainmast Chain plate spacing issue will be too much of an issue. I had an issue with the lack of Scuppers in my build, just had to move on. (I didn't see your issue when I first looked and I don't really think that anyone else viewing will see this otherwise.) In this pastime, Both I, you and all others, strive for perfection.🙂) Don't worry too much about it, it may annoy you but what can be done? (If you really wanted to, you could re-do.... Fill/Patch/Sand/Touch-Up Paint.) Your choice Sir, Looking good!! "There is no such thing as a bad ship model, only better ones...." (Don't know where I got that quote.... ) Cheers and Regards, Harry. (HOF)

Looking great!!

Hi Chap, I forgot the name of the member, (MSW), I got these off a few years ago.... Hope they are of some assistance as the plans/instructions are not!! (I printed them off, to me they are "Gold" for this model!! 🙂) Unsure how accurate as I am not there yet, but better than A/L Plans, anyway, something to share.... (Thank you for triggering my memory. 🙂) The reason I requested these is that the Plan and Sheer views provided in my kit were 1:1 B & W photos, extremely difficult to get any accurate measurements off. If you can't see them, send me a PM. Cheers and Regards, Harry. img001.pdf img002.pdf img003.pdf img004.pdf

Nice work Chap!!

Hi Chap, Had similar issues with this Kit.... Mine were a couple of feisty Abyssinian's bent on chasing a Bush Rat that they bought in.... Started this one, but.... My A/L Kit fell out of the storage due to rat/cats.... Carpet, lost a lot and decided to discontinue and go with the Sergal version, albeit, the Ship Room is now firmly closed when I'm not in attendance.... I do now have the newer A/L version awaiting with sails. So many Ships, so little time.... 🙂 Cheers....HOF.

Nice!! Are you going to bother "Linking" the Batteries? (Sorry, a detail thing.... If it can't be seen, why worry.... just a thought.) Cheers....HOF.

That's a great result!! Looks like the "Scrap" behind the Bulwarks worked well to prevent drill "Breakout." (Something I learned many years ago in my secondary school woodwork days....) Have you thought abut "Pinning" the Bulwarks to the Waterways/Transom? Planking pins affixed with CA? Maybe it will prevent the Bulwarks becoming detached in the distant, (Or near), future? There are many more learned than myself on this site, so maybe others can offer advice? (Pinning) (My experience only....) Go on, you can do it.... Tiny holes.... 🙂 Up to you Chap.... I guess the only downside is that you will have to re-do your paintwork.... You mentioned that you are going to redo this anyway. (The late & Great Frank Manstini, (Ship Modelling Simplified), always recommended "Pinning" stuff.) He also disliked CA adhesives.... Called it "Stupid" Glue. Cheers and Regards, Harry.