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    Greetings, Jay and Company. Been off-line for the most part since Sunday (travel to get orientated for new job). Mobbsie let me know my inbox floweth over - will get that taken care of shortly!
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    In terms of the center beam, here are two plans from 1926 - the Orlop and Berth Decks with Planking removed. Berth Deck 18285-.pdf Orlop Deck 19506001.pdf Also see this one from Ware (1819) showing the location of the forward filling room on the Orlop deck. 1819 Ware plan Orlop.pdf Barrels of powder may have been stored in locations other than just the filling room - consider for a moment how many barrels of powder the ship would carry (about 11 pounds per round from a 32 pound gun, give or take a mite). There are, in the various papers I have not yet had transcribed, several discussing delivery of powder and shot for the Connie, as well as many discussions about the outfitting (which, since those are in my printed books, are currently about 130 miles from here). The point being that there would, assuming 44 guns needing 10 pounds per shot (on average) = 440 pounds per shot. Add to that the anticipated number of shots (let's be conservative and say only 20 per gun at the most) results in more than 8000 pounds of powder (at least 80 barrels at 100 pounds per barrel).
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    Greetings - have found the document I was looking for. Here is what JH had to say about the Orlop Deck beams: Pillars or stantions 3 tier under the gundeck and one under the upper deck made to shift Lower deck beams of the best heart pitch pine sided 16 inch and moulded 14 inch. The longest beam to spring 6 inches and the rest by the same mould. Carlings in 3 tier 6 by 9 inches of white oak Ledges in 3 tier 5 by 6 inches of white oak, 2 between each beam Spur beam one of live oak on each side of the main hatch tabled kneed and bolted on the foreside of the beam on the after part of the main hatch 12 inch by 14 and for gundeck the same. Orlope deck to be laid 6 ft 2 inch below the upper part of the lower deck beams of the best heart pitch pine sided 12 inches and moulded 10 inch laid with 2 inch common plank kneed with one good live oak knee at each end bolted with inch bolts. It will be best to put the clamps on the ceiling 3 inch thick Gundeck beams One under each port and one between of the best heart pitch pine as near as the hatchways & masts will admit as per draft, sided 18 inch & moulded 15 inch. All other beams to be laid directly over and under the frame. UPPER DECK Beams placed over the gundeck beams sided 13 and 14 inches moulded of the best heart pitch pine Source for the above: Humphreys, J.Contemporaneous or Certified Copy (made for information of action) to Henry Knox. 1794. Letter Humphreys to Henry Knox. Dimensions and Articles for 44 Gun Frigates. Contemporaneous or Certified Copy (made for information of action). Uselma Clarke Smith Coll. #1378D. Historical Society Of Pennsylvania. http://wardepartmentpapers.org/document.php?id=10736. Also see the attached transcription Knox, H. 1794. Letter, Knox to Tench Cox. Dimensions of Beams from Humphreys. Letterbook Copy. Sec Navy Requisitions on Sec Treas, RG45. National Archives and Records Administration. http://wardepartmentpapers.org/document.php?id=12215. 1794-10-22 HK to TC dimensions of beams ZXA06-86-88.pdf
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    One thing ti keep in mind is the difference between the magazine (location barrels of powder are stored) and the powder room (aft in the Connie, location where barrels were opened and cartridges/powder bags were filled). I believe only the powder room was coppered since that is where powder would be most exposed. Just arrived at hotel so will check Humphreys after dinner.
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    Copper lined to prevent sparks and also water inftration. As to the center line beam, that is probably not original - will check what Humphreys described tonight.
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    Interesting concept. One teensie fly - the stanchions (posts in your description) were intended by Humphreys to be moveable, not fixed. I need to verify the number of rows (I think it was 3 but not sure). I also need to do a bit of checking into those deck lights - not quite sure if they were original or later addition.
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    Actually, the use of lead water lines was NOT outlawed until the 1970's (and according to the CDC, if a house was built prior to 1986, chances are good that there was a lead water supply line used). I doubt the Navy replaced the lead pipes for the 1931 cruise unless there was an issue concerning the functioning of the system. However, the 1870 date seems more realistic for the type of fittings shown.
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    Regrettably, those are not included on the 2012 CD version
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    I suspect that the pump in question is a newer addition (late 19th or 20th century). I need to check again into the description of the "fire engines" for the Constitution (believe it was in a letter from Fox but not sure).
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    What they said, Augie! As to the adrift part, there are many of us in a similar state!
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    The fill room you note was the most protected and restricted part of the vessel - this would be where the powder bags were actually filled. The powder bags would be passed via a small slit in a tarp to a receiver outside of the room.
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    My goodness I am busy today - sorry if it seems I am hijacking your thread, Jay! Hank, in MSW 1 and again when MSW 2.0 came on-line, shared a spreadsheet he had compiled from the Josiah Fox Papers #773 - Hull Data, Here is an excerpt of the 44 gun Frigates (note that the Constitution was not included in the data). I believe the source is at the PEM in the Fox papers. You may be able to make some close approximations to the location of the bitts during the period of interest by relating to the United States and the President.
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    This plan may take a bit more pondering. It is listed as Ware (1819) Spar Deck Beams, but appears to show both the spar deck (top half) and another deck (Gun Deck?) below it. 15154-.pdf
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    Jay - Attached are two contemporary drawings that may be of use to you. Ware drawing (1816) of the Constitution Orlop Deck 1819 Ware plan Orlop.pdf Ware (?1820) Frigate United States decks. 87196001.pdf
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    I would not be so harsh with Marquadt. His AoTS is an attempt to describe and show as built, based on best available information AT THE TIME! Considering how many times the ship has been rebuilt, any type of reconfiguration, including riding bitts, is probable. Do not look at any features today and assume they were always there! If you doubt the Marquadt drawings, find better sources yourself. I have shared many times the most authoritative source (Humphreys, Fox, and various others in the War Department), including links to the scanned documents. Even the venerable Tyrone Martin has gotten things wrong concerning the Connie.
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    The British were not overly fond of white oak. From the reference above: The white oak (Quercus alba) of America was considered too susceptible to dry rot; and the British completely neglected the possibilities of the invaluable live oak (Q. virens or Virginiana) which grew along the coast of the southern American colonies. In the eyes of the British shipwright, the English Qercus robur, with its rugged individuality, was the best ship-timber in the world. The favouritism did not stop there, for naval contracts frequently specified 'good, sound Sussex oak'. The oaks grown in the clayey soil of that particular county had in the opinion of the English shipbuilders no equal.
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    By the mid-18th century, the British were challenged for oak - they had a strong reliance on North American (primarily New England) timber - both white oak and pine for spars. With the loss of that resource, they relied heavily on Baltic timber. They had depleted much of their native oak and other good timber over the years - with only a few forests reserved for ship building. Since the maturity time for the trees was outpaced by the consumption rate, they had serious issues to contend with. I am not aware that they had live oak available due to the climatic conditions where it was found (swampy, warmer climes - Georgia and Florida in the US primarily). For a good discussion of the British challenges see: Albion, R.G. 1952. The Timber Problem of the Royal Navy, 1652–1862. The Mariner’s Mirror 38, no. 1: 4–22. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/citedby/10.1080/00253359.1952.10658102.
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    In the case of the President, it was likely a combination of factors that influenced the scrapping by the British. Due to the on again/off again schedule for her construction, it's possible that a combination of white and live oak was used, as there were very significant challenges getting live oak. When the 3 frigates got put on hold, one of the missions for Fox was to inventory the available supplies at the three yards and coordinate their shipment to the remaining 3 yards. When there was the prompt need to resume construction, what live oak that was available wasn't seasoned, perhaps contributing to the issue with rot. HOWEVER - for a ship of the era, a 20 year career afloat was pretty good, particularly if there were no significant rebuilds done.
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    Ugh! I prescribe an ice cold adult beverage of choice, a comfortable chair and birthday cake while enjoying a fireworks display. Each revision brings a better result, kindly sir. Your work is amazing! Back to quiet lurking, I remain, Your ob't servant,
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    Cricket sends: "Thank you, Mr. John!"
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    More to the point, was Venice using bells! Let me do some digging around in some of the archeological records.
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    Cricket has made some nice progress on her Pilot Boat Elsa. Only one week left before she heads back to Arkansas - the 6 weeks have flown past!
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    Tom - Thank you very much for responding to the concerns and suggestions offered here - as you can tell looking through the forum, we have a very wide variety of backgrounds and experience. Knowing that you, as one of the major vendors for tools in our hobby, are responsive and listen is good for all of us - and for the improvement of the technology available. All the best -
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    All the best to you & the Missus - and continued great work on the Titanic!
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    Questioning is good, Jay - how else do we learn? Apparently the next big improvement came about in 1810, when the monopoly was toppled with the Lamb and Nicholson stove. This stove came with a much improved still that was capable of producing at least four gallons of fresh water a day. In addition, the new Lamb and Nicholson stove was advertised to use less fuel and the stove was constructed with three boilers. I will, when time allows, see what I can find about that stove as well.

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