Izzy Madd

Dude!I forgot to mention that I reinforced the plastic dolphin striker with a section of an old airbrush needle that I epoxied behind it on my Revell Thermopylae.I wish I would have told you sooner to avoid the breakage!.

No worries as I've snapped the striker. Of big sis so many times I've left it off for now. And only put the one on Mini Nan at the last minute. For the same reason. I'm a bit clumsy. I've even had to rig a fitted guard for the entire bowsprit on Big Sis. As I snapped the whole front end off the one on Mini Nan. It's surprising how much the rigging holds everything tight once it's all tensioned. They really had it all just right in order to keep things in balance. It's no wonder the design was never bettered, as it really was the equivalent of today's fly by wire technology wise. Right on the limit of the materials.

just tell her to leave the tail at home

As she's had a slight memory loss and forgotten where she's put her prosthetic hand. As the moulding was short by one hand. She'll be leaving it at home

 

I did have one thought though I hope don't end being remembered as the one with the "planked Willy" or the one with the "wooden Willy" just my warpped mind

 

It all right for the likes of Nenad at least he can blame Google translate . But English is my only language and I still can't spell right. That the gods for dyslexia. That and the insanity of having brought up three kids is my excuse for my lack of ability to spell words. And the occasional tot of course. Nothing to excess though just a bottle or two...

From these images it seem just about everyone is right as there are bit of just about all comments within them.

 

From the hanging, but hinged swinging table, through both becketed and wooden handle boxes to benches and more. It's no surprise there are so many thoughts on the subjects.

 

 

 

Repairs all done and dusted and works started on the other hull now. Just reached the point where I need to loose a planks width so might take a couple more minutes. :-) as I'll have to strop the knife... The n it's the base which once the plank nearest the centre is done as it curves inward violently at the bow. But then they are all straight so things move very fast. Especially using deck planks as the are so thin and supple. So by the weekend hopefully I should be ready to bring the game of two halves together at last. And get some pics up on her. So excitement building. All I need then is a 1/65 sized bottle of bubbly to crack on the hull. I thought I'd get Naniie over from the CS to do the honours as she's about the right scale.

Glad to hear about health side of things.

 

I hope your looking after the piggie ok :-) but Edwards Bowness from his booklet in 1959 seems to think they were chicken coops ‽ :-) can you make one side pigs and the other chickens then at least the crew will be fine at breakfast with eggs and bacon... ;-) take care

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but most sea chest had rope beckets for handles didn't they? So that a single rope could then be threaded through one handle of say twentyor more then safely hauled aboard. As the becket would flex to hang best and would be fixed as each sailor made his own so as to know his stuff didn't end up in the harbour. And while they are a swine to make they are extremely rugged with there four or more layers of differing materials from leather to sailcloth as well as rope.

To me it seems that wood and you recognize each other as old friends

Go on

Hi Nenad,

 

Yes since the age of 11 when I was first given a piece of wood to make a pencil sharpener with. Which I've still got unused. We've been inseparable. I think that if it wasn't for the fact that when I cut myself and it's still red. I would swear I had sawdust instead of blood. But as we are often called I've a heart of oak and a brain to match. When ever I see wood being painted for the sake of it I think. "Why make it from wood" if it's a mix same as Will should have been then fine your covering the mix. But if I can get away with the changes I will. Have you seen the new stand for Mini Nannie. And waiting in the wings is the massive 1.2 metre long Billings CS. Should be fun. As well as the 1.1 metre Heller Victory and th billings Santa Maria and the billings Marie-Jeanne. That me sorted til Christmas . Just don't know which century . Hope all well for you and yours. As much fun and thought changing yours is don't neglect your feelings. That's what family and friends are for. Best wishes

Hi,

 

Great work. I've just found this image from around 1960. It's not a criticism just a view not often seen of these ships. But it show a very dynamic view of the sails.

 

 

Image curtesy of Edward Bowness

Can you post a close up pic of the bowsprit/jibboom?I want to see how how you rigged it and if you pit the chains on yet.

Hi,

 

I can show the bowsprit but it's far from accurate as the instructions had none at all. I only knew there should be any because of the 1/130 version I'm also doing. And there are no chains at all on this little thing.

 

 

Also I had to add the lines to the bowsprit as I've snapped it off and the standing rigging for the fore mast would have snapped it again. So by tying it the right way it transfers the forces to the hull end of the boom.

 

I found doing the standing rigging front to back then the running rigging back to front. Also I made the mistake of thinking the running rigging would not alter ther standing. So glued the ends. If I'd left all as half hitch then I could have altered every thing just so. But that's the name of the game. Try it, fail, learn and try again. It's never too late to want to learn even if it's only how to tie a piece of thread...

 

Addendum:

 

Following the post above yours. If you go on the web the full plans are there for free. And they are pretty explanatory. Apart from anchor chains. I know as I'm building three models at once Mini Nannie 1/350 Big Nannie 1/30 and Will Everad 1/64. They should help a lot.

Hi just spotted your log. Not sure if anyone already given you this advice but I built this model many years ago and there is an airfix guide book that when used guides on the build, lots of modifications and step by step rigging. They are often on ebay. They are by Noel C L Hackney. He also did a book for the Mayflower and the Victory. I had all three and used his methods for all my future builds.

I will see if I can find photographs of my builds to show the difference they make. The victory kit still has pride of place next to my wooden ship builds and 20 years on I still use it as a rigging reference.

Hi,

 

Thanks I'll see if I can get those plans as I'm working up to doing the Victory and the Santa Maria. Thanks

Looks good izzy- strange seeing "will" in a planked finish

Keith

I suppose it must be odd for those of you who have only seen it done as per the original. But I like the look and the line between the two works well I think. As they are only butted.

I don't know how much truth there is in it. But I've seen images of mess tables with the obligatory square place setting (3square meals) and bench seating. Hung from the roof beams so that when the ship is in rough water everything can swing and so less is lost on the floor.

 

Like I say I only remember this and cannot confirm it.

Just let you know I've not been ignoring Nannie.

 

The mini is coming along great as I've got all the standing rigging done I think. Jut doi some of the running rigging.

 

I think the thread is to thick and I know it should be black but I like it and it's good practice for bis sis.

 

Also you' can see her brand new stand

 

 

 

Hope you all like.

Just a few words tonight.

 

I've finished the planking of the base of the hull

 

 

 

 

I like how it's turned out it is the look I was after. What are anyone else's thoughts?

 

And ther result of the over sanding

 

 

a good method is to wrap the thread around the block,  and with another piece of thread,  wrap the two together.  go about 1/8 up the line it's attached to,  and then trim off the excess.  what you did looks good.....just beef up the attachment point at the block.

Hi I've been looking at strop block closer and see what you mean about e amount of whipping. As I'd fallen into the same trap as most untrained artists do. That of thinkin "I know what these look like. Who needs pictures?" Which of course we all do as things are never quite how we think they are.especially for the Victory era. As for Little Willy, the may be another name change depending on the finished project. To honour a good friend who passed away a few years by who's first name Was Everard.

Ahoy me hearties,

 

Simple question. After the master shipwrights left the apprentice in charge of sanding while he nipped of for a quick chat with the local barmaid. I've now got a gaping hole in the side of my boat where the Rodney sanded through the the planks.

 

But having altready done this bit before and now owning two more billings boats. I was wondering about plank benders. I've not got much joy with soaking as the planks are just too thin so there is insufficient material for them to act like the full size and the outer surface just peals away.

 

Now I know a man who can make me a bending tip for my soldering iron. For free so I've got that covered. But I also noticed the plier typ benders. Which have a knife like edge and a firm rubber/plastic pad to bend planks.

 

My double question is.

 

Do they work well?

 

Also unless I'm much mistaken. Are they not just expensive and tacky anvil secateurs?

 

Which are stronger, designed for prolonged use and about a third the price.

 

Any advice please

browse through a few build logs and you will see some of the techniques others use.  tutorials can also be found here and on the web.

Thanks for the advice. I've been looking at many sources of methods. But I'm enjoying the trial and error method at the moment. It more a case of, I know there not right but I can't quite say why. Hence me asking as others can often see pat the wood to the trees.

In my country it is said : "Snow does not fall to cover the hill, but to every beast shows its mark"

It also shows those marks of all that are by your side but can not be seen.

 

I don't mean to be presumptuous but I feel that is all on here.

 

We stand not face to face in time of need, but shoulder to shoulder.

So as to be able the better to support one another if needed.

I'm happy to hear the surgery was good. Was this on your mother?  Hard times seem to hit everyone sometime.  I don't know who said it but it fits:  "Hard times do not shape character.  They reveal it.".   I hope that translates well.

 

Indeed, war is harder as too much of the unknown can happen too quick to too many people.  For right now, take care of yourself, my friend.

 

As mayor said "hard times do not shape character. They reveal it" also they reveal the true value of having a good family and true friends. And you have them both.

 

Best wishes to all and sincere hope for you as well

Izzy,

 

Have a look here:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7942-removing-paint-from-plastic-kit/

Thanks the Dettol worked brilliantly. Then again I was surprised that Dettol antiseptic contained caustic soda. Which explains why it feels slimy. But them again why do Dettol recommend it for pimples. AND say that the castor oil in it 'may' cause skin irritation. Nothing about the caustic soda fetching your skin of

a good method is to wrap the thread around the block,  and with another piece of thread,  wrap the two together.  go about 1/8 up the line it's attached to,  and then trim off the excess.  what you did looks good.....just beef up the attachment point at the block.

Thanks for the honest opinion and advice I'm not overly happy with the becket either. As for attaching I used a midline reef knot with the ends at the top the duped it in sealing solution then made the becket but I've been waiting for some more thread and I think, hope, I've got a better way of making it. Just a matter of putting it into practice. I'm reasonably happy with hold of the strops I just need thicker thread. As it tends to dissapear into the groove all the way round. So I'll be posting the next generation soon also I noticed on one the proportions are off. As the width is greater than the depth. And from what I can tell it's usually about 2:3:4 on a single block as a rough guide as they are all sorts of size. But the size that's given is the wheel size whic is also the width of a single pulley and that's very roughly twice the height and 1 1/2 the depth. It just gives me some sort of figures to work with. When doing them in bulk.

 

I've also figured a better way of doing the strop groove on the long sides and the lengths so it's like everything make it as you go along and learn learn learn.

 

That's why I like honest answers like yours which highlight what's not quite right. As I struggle to spot it as I'm too close so to speak.

As I've finally found a paint prepared to stick to big sis. Does anyone know how to remove an excess of acrylic paint without dissolving the hull?

 

Other than sandpaper and a copious amount of high viscosity oil of humerus. That is.

There be a lot of fancy words used there...  we're not but humble pirates.

This is the point I was trying to make. While maybe the terms I used were not scientifically correct the basic knowledge was there for all to read and understand. Without having to get the dictionary out.

 

As the saying goes KISS. That's "Keep It Stupidly Simple"

 

If some thing was falling at terminal velocity. Most normal people would say something like "that's moving fast" not "that must be close to its terminal velocity"

 

But both mean the same in the world of bit, bobs and boats especially when in a shed.

 

Well said Popey2Sea.

Mine and my ships cats thoughts are with you and yours. Keep well yourself as its all too easy to get down at times like this and you have a good family around you. Just having each other to lean on will mean so much. Don't underestimate each other's worth or strengths at this time. May the Gods smile down on you and yours very soon.

 

Love the chain but that's for another time. Soon. Good luck and better news be yours.

Furthermore, a word about 'strain' and 'stress' and 'force'.Even on Saturn strain is not measured with a force gage. Strain (in engineering terms) is a measure of the deformation or elongation of a material when a force is applied.Material don't break because of 'too much strain', they break when to much force is applied and the maximum stress level is exceeded. Stress being force divided by the cross sectional area of that part.People will break down under too much stress (not strain). Strain is simply the result of too much stress. It leads to wrinkles and other permanent markings.I know this is boring but I am sure any engineer will cringe when those three terms are always mixed up.

As it seems most engineers live in another world. On here and else where.

 

In the real world things like strain force newtons mass volume etc still exist they tend to have much the same definitive meaning as "average" does. But no one is.... Enough to bother asking is that mean, median or mode. They accept the info and adjust according to there own knowledge. So I would suggest putting your book of Phyisics 101 down. And do like the rest of do and either use or don't use the info your choice. As is the words I'll use to describe the force required to complete a destructive ad hoc test to demonstrate in real world terms.

 

And if someone using terms incorrectly then try suffering from a chronic lack of inter human discourse.

 

And I guarantee you get at least one word wrong as its always used incorrectly. But you are more than able to cope. As are we all when some one misuses a word. But with a subject as complex and with so many unique words. I'd have thought the last place to be throw in stones was in this glass house. As I can think of several words which mean totally different thing to an engineer, compared to a sailor. But they don't make you cringe. Never mind the newbies who don't know either wording.

 

Such as is it a pulley, a block, a block and tackle, or a pulley block, the answer is yes it's all those and more. So if you don't like misused words don't join forums which will contain real people's wording and real world situations. Just go and work out the last digit in Pi.