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EJ_L
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EJ_L got a reaction from zoly99sask in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Looking good indeed! Speaking of your work bench, it is looking more and more like a veteran builder's desk with nice storage, tools, clutter and only a tiny space left to actually build on!
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EJ_L reacted to popeye the sailor in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
I'm thinking that you haven't painted them........just the color of the wood that's throwing you off. John has a cool head.....if it looks good Mark, leave it
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EJ_L got a reaction from Eddie in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
I ran into similar alignment problems on La Couronne and I have seen many other builds of these 1st rates that have alignment issues also. I think the main problems come from how the framing actually works on the model. The ports are laid out on the drawings as though the framing was built realistically. The model however uses false framing in the form of bulkheads. With actual framing, the ports can be inserted anywhere as the frame members can be cut and framed out to accommodate this. With the bulkheads, that solid panel of wood makes those modifications much harder.
What I have done in the past and intend to do on S.R. is that on the false decks I can adjust the layout enough to get the ports off the bulkhead frames and that will be fine. The upper decks that get finished I cut away all the excess false bulkheads to simulate actual framing. This to me not only makes the finished model look better but it allows for the gun ports to be installed where they are supposed to be and for the guns to have their rigging installed without having a large wood panel in the way. For an example, l look at how I cut away the excess false bulkhead wood to allow for the cabin build outs. I just trim away the bulkheads until a proper frame thickness is left that can be planked over properly.
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EJ_L reacted to popeye the sailor in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
I haven't had the pleasure of building a ship of this size.......I always wondered what would be done with the gun port spacing. not sure about a hull entry.......as with anyone who has built the Vic, it might depend at what time your modeling. wish I could help.
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EJ_L reacted to jbshan in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Don't forget to transfer the planking lines to the outer surface of the frames. They'll be a lot easier to see. 8-)
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EJ_L reacted to WackoWolf in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Keep the pictures and post coming, have always like this ship.
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EJ_L got a reaction from coxswain in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
My first reaction is to say leave it, especially if you are a long way into it. My next thought though is I have seen you redo just as much for even less noticeable reasons and so I think this will bother you the rest of the build and after and therefore tear it out. That sucks but I think you will feel better and with the effort you are putting into this build I think it is the right thing to do.
As for what to use instead, I think the cherry wood may come out too dark for a red ocher. I used pear on my Couronne build and while it is more pinkish than red, I think it works and I can just say it is sun bleached!
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EJ_L reacted to Stevinne in Roter Lowe by Stevinne - Mamoli - 1:55 - Dutch-built Galleon
Moving along slowly. Back from a vacation in Charleston, S.C., with a visit to the Stede Bonnet monument at the Battery and Fort Moultrie on Sullivan's Island - a much more interesting and enjoyable place to tour than nearby Fort Sumter in my humble opinion.
Tonight I sanded the gun deck to ensure it followed the line of the frames, so there won't be any surprises when I start planking and then painted the metal gunport frames so they will match the wood that will surround them. Next comes the process of gluing the frames in place and trying to ensure they all lineup correctly with the hull planking.
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EJ_L reacted to Canute in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
How visible is the finished area? Main decks (very visible), I'll bet you redo with appropriate woods. Lower down, probably leave it. But, like Patrick said, wait for that clear head before you do anything. Hope that beer was good and you let your problem cogitate in the ol brain juices. However you decide will be the correct one.
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EJ_L reacted to cog in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
Clear head ... maybe better to refrain from the beer ...
Just a few questions to get things clear to me:
Why should the holly be removed? Is it imperative to paint ... (to paint or not to paint) Does the colour of the wood define the colour it would have been washed/painted Enjoy your beer
Cheers
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EJ_L reacted to Omega1234 in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
Hi Mark
Now, that's one of those "Oh S..." moments, for sure. But, just have a beer, or three, and let your thoughts lie for a day or two.
Don't make any decisions until you've got a clear head.
All the best.
Patrick
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EJ_L reacted to Jim Lad in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
Not my model, Mark, but I think if it was I might be inclined to leave to holly in if it looks good.
John
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EJ_L reacted to mtaylor in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
Well... I just irritated the h*** out of myself. I'm really needing beer at this moment... <sigh> Just realized the French didn't use whitewash on inner bulwarks like the English/Americans did....<deeper sign> So I'll sleep on this (I hope) and either claim artistic license and continue with the holly or rip out what I've installed and use cherry for red ocher.
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EJ_L got a reaction from coxswain in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
I've been planking the hull some more on the port side and started to lay out the gun ports. I have quickly noticed that they are not lining up with the dummy blocks that were installed before hand. Not a big deal to move or install new ones but a little annoying. The more frustrating part is that some of the ports are intersecting the frames. So I had to do some shuffling of the ports and I think I now have a pattern that will work. We shall see...
While laying out the port holes I got to wondering if S.R. had an actual entryway? As most 1st rates did and being as tall as she is I cannot imagine there not being one however, there is no detail showing an entry. I have no problem scratch building one as that is what I did for La Couronne but I thought I would ask if anyone knew the answer or had seen a model or drawing showing an entry.
And now on tot he picture!
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EJ_L got a reaction from Sargon in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
Thanks Scott! Not throughout the whole ship but all the cabins and the stern lanterns. If the lower gun decks were detailed out and not just dummy decks I would probably do the whole ship but outside of the cabins, everything else can be fairly easily seen.
Now for the update: Admiral's cabin is complete! Spent almost the entire day minus a few breaks for food, drink, bathroom and puppy play time but still logged in 8 solid hours of building furniture and finishing the cabin today. The Captain's cabin is next but before that one gets built I think I will spend some time back on La Couronne. However, before that I think I need to give the eyes, fingers and brain a break from tiny detail work so I am thinking that it is time to run more planking. I have a lot of deck planking I can get started on as well as raising the hull planking up at least on one side. The other still needs to remain down till I can finish running all the wiring down through the hull. Plus, the table is in a nice messy state that is perfect for cutting wood and not so much for rigging so may as well keep on with the same type of mess!
As always thanks for looking in and for the likes and comments. More will be on the way!
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EJ_L got a reaction from Eddie in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
I've been planking the hull some more on the port side and started to lay out the gun ports. I have quickly noticed that they are not lining up with the dummy blocks that were installed before hand. Not a big deal to move or install new ones but a little annoying. The more frustrating part is that some of the ports are intersecting the frames. So I had to do some shuffling of the ports and I think I now have a pattern that will work. We shall see...
While laying out the port holes I got to wondering if S.R. had an actual entryway? As most 1st rates did and being as tall as she is I cannot imagine there not being one however, there is no detail showing an entry. I have no problem scratch building one as that is what I did for La Couronne but I thought I would ask if anyone knew the answer or had seen a model or drawing showing an entry.
And now on tot he picture!
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EJ_L got a reaction from BLACK VIKING in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
I've been planking the hull some more on the port side and started to lay out the gun ports. I have quickly noticed that they are not lining up with the dummy blocks that were installed before hand. Not a big deal to move or install new ones but a little annoying. The more frustrating part is that some of the ports are intersecting the frames. So I had to do some shuffling of the ports and I think I now have a pattern that will work. We shall see...
While laying out the port holes I got to wondering if S.R. had an actual entryway? As most 1st rates did and being as tall as she is I cannot imagine there not being one however, there is no detail showing an entry. I have no problem scratch building one as that is what I did for La Couronne but I thought I would ask if anyone knew the answer or had seen a model or drawing showing an entry.
And now on tot he picture!
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EJ_L got a reaction from Elijah in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
I've been planking the hull some more on the port side and started to lay out the gun ports. I have quickly noticed that they are not lining up with the dummy blocks that were installed before hand. Not a big deal to move or install new ones but a little annoying. The more frustrating part is that some of the ports are intersecting the frames. So I had to do some shuffling of the ports and I think I now have a pattern that will work. We shall see...
While laying out the port holes I got to wondering if S.R. had an actual entryway? As most 1st rates did and being as tall as she is I cannot imagine there not being one however, there is no detail showing an entry. I have no problem scratch building one as that is what I did for La Couronne but I thought I would ask if anyone knew the answer or had seen a model or drawing showing an entry.
And now on tot he picture!
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EJ_L reacted to Telp in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
Just spotted this build E.J, looking glorious indeed so I think I shall pull up a plank to sit on and watch if I may. Would love to know how you wire up lights ect as its something I'd like to attempt but I don't have the technical know how.
regards
Terry
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EJ_L got a reaction from mtaylor in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Been looking forward to seeing you start this build Elijah. Gonna pull up a chair and enjoy what I know will be another fine journey. Happy building!
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EJ_L reacted to Elijah in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Hello again everybody! In the past two weeks or so I have gotten most of the steps before planking done.
I glued the parts that form the base together on the flattest surface available. I then glued the keel to the base.
I then proceeded to the framing. It was a simple process of beveling the bulkheads where it was needed. The process did not take long because the bulkheads included laser etched guides. I used Legos as squares to glue the frames straight.
Next up are the cockpit floors and the lining off of the hull for planking. You might have noticed that the lines on the frames in the photo above are to help with that process. This kit has proved so far to be very well designed! Thanks for looking in!
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EJ_L reacted to puckotred in Vasa by puckotred - DeAgostini - Scale 1:65
I think it took almost 6 weeks before the first issue came. But after that it settled on every 4 weeks.
3 years is a long time to wait... but not a bad idea. I could never wait that long though... If you are patient starting the build when you have 40 issues is a good idea. It will spare you some problems with alignment of the frames.
You can still paint all those decorations....
Templates came with issue 41.
We'll see what more faults this model has, but luckily we are on a forum where other members are kind enough to guide us in the right direction.
Thank you for your kind words, and I will finish it...
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EJ_L got a reaction from Elijah in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
When in those foreign ports I'm sure the Admiral did some private entertaining.....
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EJ_L got a reaction from mtaylor in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
When in those foreign ports I'm sure the Admiral did some private entertaining.....
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EJ_L got a reaction from Sjors in Le Soleil Royal by EJ_L - FINISHED - Sergal - Scale 1:77 - 1669 Version
When in those foreign ports I'm sure the Admiral did some private entertaining.....
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