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MODEL LOT#4 = Doyusha 1/100 C-47 boxed unstarted Model is free, just pay for HERMES delivery. Please let me know if you want one or more of the lots and we will use PMs for exchanging payment information. This item now GONE

MODEL LOT#3 = Airfix 1/72nd Swordfish (AO4053) boxed, unstarted. Model is free, just pay for HERMES delivery. Please let me know if you want one or more of the lots and we will use PMs for exchanging payment information. This model is now gone

MODEL LOT#2 = Nichimo 1/200 U-boat Type IXC. Boxed, part started but believed complete. Model is free, just pay for HERMES delivery. Please let me know if you want one or more of the lots and we will use PMs for exchanging payment information. On hold, see post#14

MODEL LOT#1 = Nichimo 1/200 I-19 Japanese submarine, boxed, pretty sure it is complete. Model is free, just pay for HERMES delivery. Please let me know if you want one or more of the lots and we will use PMs for exchanging payment information. On hold, see post#14

I am having a clearout. The members of MSW forums are welcome to the stuff if you pay the carriage, usually HERMES but I may use Royal Mail for some of the small items. I will start three threads, titled Free models, Free literature and Free tool stuff, and this part of the text will be in Post#1 of each. Each lot will be in a separate post so they won’t get mixed up when communicating. I am grouping items of common interest together and each group will have a lot number. Each lot will remain together for transport and I will try to pack them securely using recycled boxes. I will do the packing and sending, my best idea for receiving the money to cover the costs is PayPal. Please let me know if you want one or more of the lots and we will use PMs for exchanging payment information. I think this will probably work best for UK and EU destinations. First come, first served. To make it clear, the models-books-tooling are free, just pay for whatever the carrier charges come to. Bruce

We should be careful what we say: we don't want to challenge the testimony of Lt Pardoe (see page 1 of attached PDF). And yes, Lt Pardoe really was in command of Fearless on that date. Brodum.pdf

Thanks for the responses. I am certainly better informed now on this obscure point and have enjoyed re-re-reading a bunch of Chapelle. His 'Baltimore Clipper', 'Search for Speed Under Sail' and 'The History of the American Sailing Ships' all provide pieces of the puzzle. One piece of the puzzle that started me of was this from United States Bureau of Fisheries Report, Volume 14, of THE COMMISSIONER FOR 1886. “About 1815 the "half sharp" schooner made its appearance, and from this date rapid changes were made, and a few years later, about 1850, the "sharp-shooter" (as the clipper schooner was at first called) was introduced.” The theme of this part of the report is the traditionally slow working boats in the mackerel industry and the introduction of faster craft. However, it is easy to believe I am not the first to ask this question. In her MA thesis published online (NEWASH AND TECUMSETH: ANALYSIS OF TWO POST-WAR OF 1812 VESSELS ON THE GREAT LAKES), Leeanne Gordon makes a detailed study of the hull forms of her subjects and states: “There is no definition of a sharp vessel, even in terms of these various coefficients. These terms are used only for comparison of different hulls.” I think she is right. I found pretty much the same in Steel and some other English language publications of the period but nothing that nails it down. So I will keep the subject in mind when reading old stuff but, for the moment, it looks like the phrase was a general term with no specific implications. Thanks for the input, will post if anything changes. Bruce

Is this something that may have been used around the time of WW1? There is a collection of photos taken aboard SMS Seeadler, a disguised auxilliary cruiser converted from the clipper Pass of Balmaha. The deck planks are very dark and the caulking appears to be white and possibly a bit wider than expected. It is possible the deck was completely replaced when the Germans converted the ship but I have not seen anything to confirm or disprove this. Wahka est, sorry to deflect your thread.

Thanks, good point. I am re-reading it now, first quick scan through drew a blank. ... and this is the point my brain won't process without sending me back to the original thought: sometimes it appears to identify a ship rather than describe it. In 20th century context: all Destroyer Escorts were destroyers, but not all Destroyers were destroyer escorts even if they performed escort duties. I appreciate any pointers, my attention is held by a comment from Wayne: Wayne, my fingers are crossed that you can find a book easier than I can!

Thanks, that was actually my starting point when I decided to dig into this. Although it is the best single source of clues so far it stops short of making the type of statement that would clear things up. Having asked for input, perhaps I should explain. We have all seen vessels described as ‘clean’, ‘fast’, ‘sharp’ etc. but I have come across a couple of occasions where the expression ‘sharp schooner’ seems to be a complete description as if that phrase classified the craft, not merely pointed out a characteristic. Also, some vessels are described as ‘sharp’ (rather than using the word to describe her bow or stern, either of which could be sharp). Where the descriptions are detailed, and The Search for Speed Under Sail is a good example, there are some common denominators such as ‘short keel’ and ‘heavy’ or ‘great’ drag. My pedantic mind cannot ignore the fact that very knowledgable sources such as Chapelle made the distinction so there must be something there. I just need to find it, perhaps someone already has? Or am I chasing phantoms? Thanks, Bruce

What were the characteristics of a ‘sharp schooner’ in the late 18th century? I have found some later descriptions which anecdotally describe some of the features of individual vessels but so far none that actually say what makes a ‘sharp schooner’. I may have overlooked a source. As an aside, it would be interesting if the definition varied in different countries... If there is a proper definition from that time I would be grateful. Thanks, Bruce

Have you been looking through my windows?

Welcome! That sounds like a 'once in a lifetime' moment when you saw him grip the stem, clearly he had liked what he saw and had confidence. Looking forward to seeing your project.

I refer to northern Greece and Bulgaria. During WW1 there was a bidding war between the Central and Allied powers for this product.

Welcome to MSW.

I do not promise mine will be as beautiful but I am working on it. It has been a while since the lessons were posted and I have started and stopped and started etc but the lessons are always there so I make a little progress. Ab, thanks again, and please say thanks again to Rene.

I am pretty sure the 'Any Old Iron' metal collection in the UK which started in 1940 would not have had any impact on a Thames barge in 1940. The government-run process was very comprehensive and started with actual scrap before moving on to harvesting good metal from buildings, signs etc. The benefits of the stages were monitored and observed and one of the most useful aspects of the drive was the way the public perceived it: people grumbled but most were fully committed. Removal of railings and some train station signs had little impact on the real war effort but it kept the public involved and was continued long after it was strictly worthwhile. So, short answer: if the barge had metal rigging at the start of the war then it would not have lost it to a scrap metal drive. It would have retained the metal rigging till it was unservicable. Then it would have been snapped up (and at a good rate). This was in part because the replacement rope rigging was also in great demand. A large part of the Royal Navy rope was traditionally made from Balkan hemp so that wasn't working out well either in 1940.

Welcome to MSW. That is a lovely model and a good subject. I was in Teignmouth, Devon a year ago and found a pub named after the boat. I was curious to know the history of an English pub named after a French boat, so did some digging. The link is very slim: The pub building is a conversion of a closed supermarket. A few small businesses were demolished on the site where the supermarket was built in the 1970's. One of the businesses was a small factory. One of the women who worked in the factory was married to a man who had crewed on the Jolie Brise. That was good enough for Weatherspoons to name the pub after the boat! I will watch your progress, the carving is impressive. Regards, Bruce

... and I expect Their Lordships had an opinion on a captian taking the day off to go fishing with his officers.

... and the one I have is September 1933 to April 1936. I see a pattern.

Captain Hook, I am deeply impressed. Well done!!

Thank you Druxey, and compliments on your timing. This has been on my 'sooner or later' list for a while and you just bumped it to the 'get' list.

Great subject, and a brave choice by Jo-han in the sixties when hot-rods and dragsters were what modellers wanted. I built one 'way back then' and painted it black with red seats. I loved the look but really wished the wheels looked better. Then I saw a masterpiece in a local model competition. It was finished in pearl white, had a cream tan simulated leather interior and oh-my-how-did-he-do-that wire wheels and brake cables: I was amazed. Also amazing was that this piece of art placed 4th to (1) a T-bucket, (2) an AA Altered and (3) another AA Altered. The winning T-bucket had full scale metalflake paint. On one of the altereds the exposed inside parts of the body were unpainted. This was the beginning of my lifelong scepticism about all judges being impartial. I will watch your Caddie with a smile.

Hello Crow and welcome to MSW. There are a few half-hull models in the forums, you might want to check out the excellent Half-Hull Planking project, a planking tutorial put together by tlevine. Search 'half hull' in this forum: https://modelshipworld.com/forum/10-build-logs-for-ship-model-kits/ ... and you will see there are a few build logs of the project. Whatever you decide to model, this is a good place to hang out.

Hello and welcome to MSW. Sounds like a good choice, it was one of the kits suggested when I started sniffing around. Enjoy it, that is the only rule.