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    Indeed it is getting exciting. One item I'm trying to get over is not to step on Mike's feet. meaning.... every time we conclude error in his original drawings it makes me feel as if we're betraying him in some weird way. Yeah, I know that is all in my head, but I've been a fan of Mike's for over 10 years, marveled in his historical accuracies, and I respect him greatly. We are plowing up new ground here and it is odd to think we are pushing it further then he originally did. When I couldn't imagine being able to do that. It is a wonderful thing to know that even Mike feels he didn't go far enough and that we are joining along side him with our own energies...undergirding his research and efforts. Which is extensive to say the least. I hope his shipwright friend in Australia will be willing to redraw hull plans based on what we have uncovered. Great work. Rob
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    Good deducing....... Getting closer day by day. Rob
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    I thought about using some kind of silkspan myself for my 1/128 scale Great Republic but translucency was an issue for me...and hand painting every sail wasn;t what I wanted to do...though each of my sails is painted as well. I used paper and even used a crimping plier I invented to emboss the stress points. But at my scale it just wasn't necessary. Your 1/96 versions are wonderfully made. Here is my example Rob
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    Wonderful stay and jib sails....just wonderful. What was your technique for creating the folds and stress creases in the sails? Secondly...what did you use for the hanks and did you thread the stay through them prior to fixing the stay to the mast? Rob
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    Difficulty with comparing McKay designs is that he never, if rarely duplicated a design....unless it was with his sister ships. Rob
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    Great deduction. Utilizing other means I was able to conclude also that her bow was estimated to be 25', close to your estimation. If you compare that her copper line was 22' from keel foot...you can note that the distance from that line to her monkey rail is slightly longer.......25'. My 1/8" redraw of her stem shows this. She is roughly what we deduced....24'~25" Mike told me that 22 degrees is the angle of her bowsprit....but not sure if that is derived from true horizontal or from her sheer angle at the bow....which you suggest is 7ft above her sheer at mid deck. This would significantly alter the angulation of her bowsprit. Also....A point Mike pointed out.....if this angle is derived from her 1869 launching image or from her 1907 image where she suffered from hogging. 2 points to consider. Rob
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    What exactly could he mean by *Bold, dashy rake*? A 7 foot sheer defined as a 7 ft curve to her deck from aft to forward prow.....*Sufficient Spring* can be subjective, as well as *air of lightness and buoyancy*. All these descriptive portions can be misconstrued if not understood fully by the reader. Correct? Rob
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    Good news....Mike did tell me she had a 16" hog...and that could only be determined if as you said....she was in drydock. Good work. As I told Mike....I never knew she was hogged...that could be one reason why she may appear to be more raked in her bow and stem then she actually was. I've seen pics of Dashing Wave when she had a severe hog. Rob
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    I found your claim odd, so I reread that last night and could not find the suggestion that the image.....or any of them was taken from across the bay. I concluded just as you have admitted...that it was a mistake. Isn't that book full of great images, that you just can't find on the internet? At this point in her conversion...she had been fully caulked and repainted....preparing her for her long voyage and stay in Alaska. But I don't recall her being placed in a floating dry dock for this work....mmmmm. No matter Rob
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    Good work Vladimire. Where did you get that extremely clear image Rich? Nice. Rob
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    Looks like we are progressing on the hood and cheek plate ornamentation, very nicely done. These details are significant because every clipper was identified by these personal elements. I hope to get to work on my hull creation very soon. I'm side tracked with some driveway repaving issues, but not to worry. Rob
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    My crude drawing on the templet showing how it closely mimics the San Pedro profile... Adjustments can easily be made when the stem is added to the model. Rob
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    GReat work Michael...superb! Rob
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    Kinda like what these lofters are doing.
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    I finished cutting out the frame boards. I'll loft the hull by using the lofting jigs to aid in the hull's contour. I'll add the stem and keel after the hull is carved. Rob
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    I reposted them. These are of my cutouts I will use for the model. Notice how sleek she looks when I only portray her at water level and only the bow. These drawing are from the 1/8" drawing I superimposed over the San Pedro image. Like you, I feel, if several of us are satisfied with with her dimensions and overall look, then we are probably as close as we're ever going to get. We'll have to run this all by Mike, of course. but from what he has been telling us he thinks the last drawings that were made need some refinement....particularly of her bow and entry. Rob
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    Rich...I believe we are on the same page. Each image showing her low in the water exacerbates a low fast, sleek, sharp entry.....however...images showing her high or nearly out of the water, exacerbates a tall(war ship like), boxy posture. This, I believe is the crux of the observational perceptions we have been struggling through. If you were to include the prow of her hood and curvey figurehead into the entirety of her silhouette...they become lost(such as in the full boxy views of her) .....where as, if you exclude the entirety of her boxy hull from her sleek, fast sharp entry.....it becomes a conclusion in of itself. Perception, perception, perception....is EVERYTHING. Here is an image of my 1/8" redraw just showing her prow at the waterline. Rob
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    One item we can't overlook...and it appears we have. Is perception. All the images you provided only permit perception to be made from a limited aspect of the hulls entirety. This can give the false perspective that the rake of the bow is swifter then she may otherwise be. but if you place the entire hull, above and below the waterline, to include the entire length of the hull. Just a snippet of the bow cannot place it into the entire perspective. The example I created was taken from the corrections I made on the 1/8" drawing. I corrected the 7degree incline of the stem and I induced greater forward ark above the cutwater of the stem...lengthening the naval hood and *beak*. Taking just a small piece of the picture, doesn't place it correctly within the entirety of the hull....which can cause us to see it in a different light...and even make it appear larger or smaller dependent on our perspective. I cut out a waterline portion of my 1/8" redraw to demonstrate how singling out just a small portion of the hull can overaccentuate it dimensions. The beached image that Mike gave us demonstrates how powerful perception is and it makes the bow look nearly flat/vertical at the stem, which caused us to think the image was somehow distorted...because the other images at San Pedro make it look far more raked or sweeping. Something to think about. Rob
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    I redrew the small scale plans and made the corrections to her bow and stem and cut out a template that will be used to begin the cut out on a block of soft wood. I will also cut out templates in card stock to make sectional hull templates that I can place along the hull to use as I carve the hull. I'll mimic my small scale brothers and glue the top view onto a piece of wood and then glue the profile on the side and then begin the carving. Kinda like carving in 3D. Top....side....and profile. I hope to have something begun before the weekend. Rob
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    Further study reveals that the root of both the bowsprit and the jibboom were squared off as they entered the hull. the clear images of her bow and figurehead reveals this. I'm sure some *spring* was evident in both bowsprit and jibboom. Masts could become *sprung* when they became loose in the seats...caused by excessive force applied by extreme weather. Rob
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    And that is the hood on its upper edge..under the bowsprit? Interesting...and images show her bowsprit at a slightly greater angle from that of the hood. Rob
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    That would probably not be a bad idea. The process of elimination...no matter how minor can yield valuable information. Rob
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    Oh Rich, in that silhouette of Glory....it appears odd....Why is her forward left leg missing and appearing absent and why is there light coming in from behind her back? I've actually never seen this image before. Another note....the steeve can be determined from the angle of the bowsprit and either the waterline or the keel. Now if the waterline...one has to hopefully assume the hull is trim. However, that method can be wrought with error. I would tend to use the solid keel line for sucha measurement. When I made my measurements...it was based upon the assumption that the amidships waterline was true parallel to the keel. But distortions induced by the vanishing point made the attempt more an endeavor of hope then sound mathematics. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I was under the impression her entire back and toga were affixed to the hood? Rob
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    Oh, I assumed as much. I only posted not to be critical, but to show exactly what you just pointed out. Many measurements we do know can aid us in figuring out the measurements we don’t know. This entire exercise has been just that. I’m hoping our Australian friend can incorporate some of what we discovered into more accurate drawings. Or possibly we will . I think if we couple Mikes overall body plan ,with our corrected bow details, we might have an extremely close representation. The best one could hope for.
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    Wonderful images...I took the liberty to make an observation of the figureheads curved dimensions.....and how she's a bit under sized. Great drawing by the way. Rob

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