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Would it be possible to experiment on a bit of sprue or unused part to see how hot water or boiling water affects the plastic Alan
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Really tidy work Roger. I agree about limiting handling of the PE. I find its necessary to be careful of the long and relatively unsupported pieces like railings even while they are in the fret Alan
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Still moving slowly forward with Campanula. I had planned to paint the port holes black and then cover with gloss carnish to give a glass effect. In the event I didn't like how it looked. It just looked like black paint. So I drilled out the 44 port holes and the PLA is tough to drill. One ended up a little ovalised but was repaired with a ring of thin plastic strip and CA glue. I put the first coat of white on the hull. I added a little light grey to take the pure white down a bit. After air brushing 1/700 scale destroyers this was like painting the house with a tooth brush. It took the first bottle of paint to get the base coat down. I have a couple of cheap air brushes and my usual one with a 0.2 mm nozzle seemed to be doing better than the other with a 0.4 mm nozzle. It may be time to go up market and get an early Christmas present from the Spraygunner people. I plan to leave the white looking a bit tired. I want to try to get the Atlantic Convoy look if I can. The white has shown up a few imperfections in the hull which will work as weathering I think. The printer has been behaving and knocking out prints consistently during the last few days. I started working out the plan for the deck pieces and the necessary shimming to bring all the pieces flush and level. Thanks for looking Happy Weekend Alan
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Beautiful job on the PE guns Craig. They look great. Alan
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The hull painting didn't happen. Instead the day was spent going down a series of rabbit holes researching likely deck configurations for HMS Campanula in particular the wooden decking. My reference book has a plan view of Begonia which was one of the same batch as Campanula. This shows the short aft wooden decks and the asymmetric wooden fore deck. The plan is from her time with the short forecastle so I don't know if the decking survived the refit unchanged. They aren't in an area that changed so I plan to go with the early deck configuration. At some point I think I have to accept that this is a generic Flower and some inaccuracies must be accepted. I think the number of port holes is wrong for Campanula (and most other Flowers I checked) and I am not going to mess with that. I think I can use a piece of a scrapped deck print to sit behind the wooden section (behind the pencil line) and compensate for the extra thickness of the wooden deck In the course of my roaming online I did find this nice cut away illustration of a Flower class corvette and it shows why the meals for the ratings rarely arrived hot or without a shot of seawater. inside the navy flower corvette - Bing Thanks for looking. Slow progress but a lot of learning going on. The voodoo for the printer seems to have been restored. Alan
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After successfully printing over twenty prints without an issue today the voodoo ran out. The prints started to fail to adhere to the bed and then the nozzle just pushes a ball of filament around. I ran the alignment print and closed up the nozzle to bed gap by an eighth of a turn on all four screws and the current print seems to be working out okay. Ace hardware seem to be out of black cockerels as well as automotive primer so hopefully the fix is good. Tomorrow the care parcel from Sprue Brothers should arrive. I put my biggest nozzle on the air brush in anticipation. Alan
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Based on the Geisenau build, my first big project. I found a couple of points to watch for in future big ship builds. 1 - Watch out for any complicated PE railings on the superstructure that might be difficult to bend and test fit at a later date. Solutions could be to fit it early before the superstructure gets crowded (that has its own problems), Or pre-bend the railings and set aside for later (in a very safe place). Make a cardboard template early before assembling the deck in question and use that to bend and test fit the railings. 2 - The fit of the wooden decks around the base of the superstructure can be very tight. If you have a fully detailed assembly to fit then you can't afford to get fierce with it to make it sit down on the plastic deck. I had one of the Geisenau structures pop off because it wasn't really sitting on the deck, just wedged in the wooden deck. Its a pain trying to trim the installed deck so anything you can do to confirm its going to allow the structures to drop in place is a good thing. You probably know all this so apologies for clogging the thread if uneccessary Alan
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Hi Mike Yes there are twelve of the canister life rafts provided. There are a series of PE side decks to install and the life rafts get added to them. I need to add the deck to the hull and then the superstructure to get to that bit. Alan
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Progress but slowly. I seem to spend more time on the web looking for information on this one than I usually do. Possibly because it should be possible to find more information than for some of the WW2 boats. So trying to find good clear photos showing where hand rails are on some of the side decks. A lot of the photos are not really clear enough and neither PE sets provide any railings expect the WE has the main deck railings. I worked on the hanger adding some delicate PE (for me anyway). I used the Trumpeter PE throughout on this assembly. It was actually more comprehensive than the WE set and the yardarms were a folded single piece whereas the WE had three pieces to each yardarm which would have required some very accurate and tidy gluing to get the same result. The hanger door is a temporary installation to prevent overspray. tomorrow My discovery for cutting primered PE from the fret was to change to a clear piece of acrylic sheet and put a white card underneath it. The fret attachments then show up so much better. Sorry if its obvious but I was quite impressed. One disadvantage is the fret casts a shadow onto the card and i found myself cutting the "ghost" attachment point. A piece of white acrylic would be a better solution but I don't have any. I started working up some of the details. The RIBs, main gun and the Harpoon launchers. The kit provides plastic launchers and the WE PE has the launcher frames and nothing to put in them. I made up barrels with plastic rod and put them in the PE frame. I'm leaning towards the PW framed ones but will see how they look after painting. Thanks for looking Alan
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Thanks Mark There is definitely as much black art as science in this I think. Alan
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Hi Mr Gray I used two and a half cans for the hull and stocked up on a few more ready for the decks and superstructure. I probably could have managed with less but the first coat showed up more areas needing attention than I thought. It worked out at nearly a can (12 oz) per coat. Alan
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Thanks for the info Roger I have the Lifecolor set and like the paints so I will definitely be using them. I think I have the Tamiya options too. I think I will be a bit behind everyone with the Hood. I want to get some progress in assembling the basic structure of the corvette before starting another big project and based on what I learnt with Geisenau it will be quite an adventure for me making a good job of either POW or Hood. For me they are too big and complex to try to work them in parallel with something else. I lose my place in the flow of building. Thanks for the reminder about the wooden decks. I did get them for the Prince of Wales but I have forgotten them for the Hood. I'll get them ordered tomorrow. Thanks for the note Alan
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Thank you OC; the support from everyone has been a great help. Now its starting to feel like fun. Have a great weekend Alan
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Thank you OC. I've used the seller before and he has always done well but this time we were six days away from the end of his stated delivery window. I was glad to see the package today and no mistake especially as it was the right shape, After your experience I have been imagining it wandering around the world gradually leaking small plastic pieces. On the other hand I just sent a package to my dad in the UK and it arrived in five days. Alan
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A bit of a muddled update here. I think I'm incapable of working multiple projects at the same time. I keep forgetting where I am on this one so I think there may be some backtracking. The foremast PE was built up. I used the WE PE as i thought it looked nicer than the Trumpeter stuff. I also modified the top of the bridge structure to take the WE PE bridge wings. WE even provide stays for the yardarms which were an exercise in breath control The major elements were primered and the dark grey deck was air brushed where needed. The hanger has some nice interior detail (and a door to glue over it when its done) that I have started to work on with dark grey for the shadows and light grey and some dry brushed white for the highlights. The light grey has been painted on the main structures. The indifferent lighting does not show the deck colour as darker but it is in real life. So now I need to backtrack and work on the hull and start the main mast. There is some detail in the mouldings for the quarter deck but I don't think it will really be visible once assembled so I have done some basic basic painting in that area before putting teh roof on. So far the PE is going quite well even though it is fiddly. Trying to read two sets of instructions from Trumpeter and WE keeps things interesting especially as the WE parts are really for one of their own models. Thanks for looking and have a great weekend Alan
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A minor end of week update. The printer is churning out parts without needing any adjustment. I completed the large bridge piece without issues. I'm still nervous about talking about this too loudly though. I'm convinced there is some voodoo in there somewhere. I'm still using a combination of brims and corner brims and so far no warping In between the thunder showers I got the final primer coat on the hull and sanded down. The finish has come out quite well and i think I like the slightly subdued panel lines My local Ace Hardware is now out of Automotive primer After wandering around the web and buying another corvette book I have decided to go with HMS Campanula as the subject. The paint scheme is the better defined of the two choices (HMS Poppy was the other) and she was an early Flower but had sufficient refits to justify any artistic license with the wooden decks, engine room skylights etc. I found a view of Poppy showing the foredeck wooden section but teh paint schemes are hard to nail down especially as I don't want to build the minesweeping gear. Campanula is the nearest I'm going to get to Compass Rose so I'm happy with the choice. Accordingly I put an order into Sprue Brothers for supplies and now realise I forgot the dark grey deck. I'll have to put another order into Freetime Hobbies to spread the load around; it gives the chance for a few other things to fall into the shopping cart. Thanks for looking and have a great weekend. Alan
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Thanks Steven Its good to see a whole hull after the initial rocky road. I was regretting getting into this project for a while😄 Alan
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Yesterday marked the 56th day since my Hood package was shipped and still no sign of delivery. I checked Trackingmore.com and there was an entry for Wednesday suggesting that the package was still wandering around China. I checked Freetime Hobbies and they show HMS Hood out of stock but still had Prince of Wales Then our nice post lady knocked on the door this afternoon with this Both arrived safely at last. Both look impressive but daunting. So much for thinking I would beat the on=shore stores with the delivery. Alan
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Whenever I drop mine they always land points down - in my leg or on the tile floor. I think the points are getting beyond filing and straightening so these might be a good option. Thanks Alan
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Printing process remains steady. The mouse ear brims continue to stop the corners warping and I seem to have hit a working combination of variables. I've printed about twenty parts without needing to do anything more than wipe the build plate down with alcohol between prints. A major change for the better if you compare with the first page of the log. Hopefully I haven't jinxed myself. The hull has been sanded and primed again. It needs a last coat but its been a rainy day today so that's on hold. I've been spending a lot of time researching options for the actual ship to be the subject of the build. Given the nasty nature of the PLA plastic when it comes to cutting and sanding I don't want to stray too far from the kit of 3D parts being generated. So the subject has to be a long forecastle and mast behind the bridge configuration. The John Lambert book I am using also shows the wooden deck arrangement and the number of ports in the engine room skylights as other obvious differences. I suspect that there are many others but just these four variables make it interesting enough. It is hard to confirm all the details given the limited number of photos of many of the corvettes. I have it down to two choices that I favour. HMS Campanula and HMS Poppy. Campanula is the better documented and is also the model for Monserrat's Three Corvettes ship. It has a nice WA blue, black and white camouflage but it may have the wrong engine room skylights. There are a couple of nice photos showing the wooden decks on Campanula. Poppy seems to have the right skylight configuration and has photos showing a 507a / 507b grey camouflage scheme as well as a WA scheme that is hard to see clearly. Poppy looks like she was carrying minesweeping gear when she had the WA scheme. The wooden deck layout is not shown in anything I have found. I suspect that either direction is going to have in consistencies with the real ship but given that this is a first dip into 3D printing as a model medium and the limited reference material I think there will have to be some license. I did look at getting the book Warship Perspectives for the Flower Class Corvettes but at $118 for 96 pages secondhand I decided that was a bit steep, especially as it may not show anything new. I'll decide which appeals most and get some paint ordered and some plastic strip for shimming the decks - the next part of teh build. Thanks for looking Alan
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I broadly follow Craig. I paint railings, ships boats and rafts, and gun turrets off the model. I suspect other than these which are fairly fixed in my process I think it depends on the model, the access when installed and the ability to paint without getting overspray where you don't want it. Alan
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