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Nice Jig Russ,

Are you turning your deadeyes or cutting them out of dowel rod?

Sam

Robbyn,

Nice work. Its very satisfying pull off something you have never done before.

As for the spousal grumbling, I ran into the same situation here. To keep the peace I committed to one weeknight reading with her rather than building. Worked for us. Of course that does not include "Datenight Friday" Maybe a kit for his birthday?

Sam

Robbyn,

I am wondering how stain is going to work on the transparencies. Most stains are designed to work with a porous surface. You might need to stain a full sheet and let it start to set up then use a 1.5-2"dry brush and a rag to wipe it off to the level you want. It would be process similar to glazing a stain. You seal your wood, then stain on top using the the brush to pick up stain and wipe it off the brush with the rag. brush the whole page up and down wiping the brush off regularly and then left and right. As the stain starts to dry you should start to get a even tone. It might work for this, it may also just pool up on the acetate. A better option may be to try some paint or tint and an air brush if you have one. A mixture of raw sienna and burnt sienna might be a starting point. Maybe 3 parts burnt to 1 part raw sienna. There is a company called TintsAll that sells 1 oz tubes of UTC tints for a buck or two at paint stores and the big box home improvement stores. Mix it in to some naptha or mineral spirits. I have used oil based stains to do this on cabinets once or twice. It worked OK, not great, just ok. The stain takes so long ot dry on a smooth non-porous surface that it usually collects dust in the air and any on the brush. With the size of your window glass that may not matter.

Have fun! I am very curious as to how it will turn out.

What size gun ports do you need?  I have two that look to be identical to the ones adriake posted, they are 11.8x13.4mm. They are yours if you want them.

Sam

Robbyn, Just getting caught up with your build. I agree with the others, your hinges look really good. Your almost making me wish I never bothered with the expense of photo etching. 

For your yellow film, have you tried a photography store? Most of them still carry gel filters in all sorts of colors. Or, you mentioned you work at a collage, maybe try the auditorium/theater dept?

Kitty Kitchen Hockey. HA! have to remember that term.

Sam

Chuck,

I would contact Constructo directly. I messed up on my planking and ran out. It took a couple of weeks but they sent me some more 2nd plank material, no charge. My best guess is they would do the same for and instruction booklet.

sam

Robbyn,

Nice start on the doors. There is something very satisfying about looking at a kit part and saying "I think I can do better" And yes, it seems to be contagious and addicting, watch out. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.

Sorry, the Star Wars geek in me just came out, I'll put him away now. 

I would agree with Russ, $15.00 is way too much for brass sheet. If the hobby and craft stores dont have it you can try the hardware stores they frequently have a K and S rack somewhere in the hardware section. 

Sam

Russ, like always, great work. Did you use your toothpick trick to fit up the transom margin plank? What is the "steeve of the bowsprit" mean?

DId  I miss out on the completion of your restoration project? I was really tied up with work for most of Jan and Feb and lost track of a lot of builds. The unfortunate demise of MSW BC (Before Crash) didnt help either. Would be a shame if I missed out on that.

Sam

Sarah,

Nice jig. Mark better hurry up, I have my cat burglar outfit on and am coming over, if he isnt quick I may steel it first.

Sam

Robbyn, I have used the red mahogany stain on other mahogany projects in the past, found it was hit or miss depending. Like you I found it nat at all to my liking for ship building. What are your plans for a top coat if any?

Sam

Robbyn, your hull looks great. Am I seeing Minwax red mahogany there?

sam

I understand completely JP. My work room is also the spare bedroom and gets converted 3-4 times a year. I keep telling my GF she needs to get a better job so I can retire and she can buy me a bigger house where I have my own workroom. Last time I said that she picked up the chef knife I had just sharpened and said she was going to show me a better job. Being "from Mars" I dont translate Venetian well, do you think that means I will be getting me my room soon? I hope so......

Take your time, finish your gift and enjoy your guests, I wont even check in on you ten seconds from now this time. I will wait at least 15.

sam

Admiral, Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.

Rich, Russ, I agree "work around" is probably the solution. The potential for making things worse is very real. It will be a reminder in the future to check, check, and RECHECK everything.

Carl, yes Muy Tie would be one solution, but a bit more drastic than even I am willing to try. Explosives.... now there is a thought... "There isnt a problem in the  world that cant be solved with the proper application of high explosives!" 

As far as Commander  Lorcan, that little beast eats WAY more than she needs. She helps the dog eat his dinner, eats her own meals and now in the last couple of months she expects a treat at night when Gunnar gets his! She even sits right next to him for it. I have found the best solution is to limit her diet of modeling stuff by only letting her in my work room when I am there. Opening the window for her to sit in has helped tremendously also.

No building for me tonight, my day started at 2am. I will work around the situation and get some pictures tomorrow.

Sam

Oh I see... Out of town were you?? hahaha

Ok so here is something that is entirely my fault all alone, I cant blame this on anybody but myself no matter how much I would like to blame it on the manufacturer.

This first photo shows how the instructions say the stem should be trimmed out.  

This shows what I have built

Here is how the instructions call for the stem to be finished.

I installed the stem so it is inline with the keel. One nice straight line from the stern to where the stem starts to curve up. Its been so long since I installed the stem that I dont recall if it matched the drawings on the plans or not. Part of the problem is I put too much upsweep on the wales i think. The red lines show where I believe the wales should have landed.

Whatever mistake(s) I made I now have a dilemma, tear it out and redo it or find a work around. At this stage I am leaning towards a work around, tearing out the stem will potentially damage the hull and moving the wales down will definitely damage the hull, re-staining will be beyond difficult.

I am leaning towards the picture below, just forming the parts correctly.

I also notice a couple of spots where commander Lorcan was trying to inform me of my error a few weeks ago.

Commander Lorcan, 9 pounds of frolicking feline fury:

Rich,

Still trying to figure out where I went wrong. I will get some pictures up later today or Saturday (have to go to THAT Park tomorrow morning, early)

Basically I have the stem too low for the Whales and feet as the are called n the instructions. Take a look on page 41, See how everything lines up with the lower curve of the stem? Mine does not. So far my measurements are all within a bout .5mm so I dont know where I have gone wrong. If I was the only one building this now or in the past I would assume the part was cut wrong. But you, Auger, and I think desert sailor as well as others whos names I cant remember and dont appear to be "Active After Crash" have all done it wright. Stands to reason I have done something wrong. Correcting it will require some serious surgery on a multi-step-stained hull. Not to mention the glue that will have to be cleaned off. I am working on a fix, but I have to bend up some strips and see what it looks like.

As far as the deviations from the kit, I am not really sure how all this "bashing" as Robbyn calls it happened. I started out with the intent to just build the kit with minimal investment, somewhere along the line I started making "improvements." I am going to blame it all on Russ's advice to do my scuppers in brass tube instead of cutting them out like the instructions called for. Yep Russ, Its All YOUR Fault! I had nothing to do with it. hahaha 

BTW, Russ, am I missing a build of yours? Havent seen anything from you in a while. Teaching taking up all your time? 

Sam

Ok, I waited ten seconds and there are still no pictures. what gives.....?

Jp,

Thanks for the painting schedule it is making more sense now, for some reason I was confusing that technique with your deck staining pictures in the painting and finishing forum. Was wondering what you were using blue for! Silly me. regardless I am (im)patiently standing by for your pictures. no rush

Sam

Wow Robbyn, thank you. Welcome back to building. I am enjoying watching your progress.

That is the great part of this hobby, you can make it as easy or as complicated as you wish and you dont have to make anybody happy but yourself.

The etching was actually easier than I expected, other than finding the chemicals here in California; it seems like any time Darwin rears his head in this state, our congress critters feel the need to protect the rest of us from ourselves. Otherwise it was pretty straight forward. Now the cleanup on the other hand...All those little inconstancies are mine alone.  

And as far as the "skill" part, when I get over my latest boo boo I will post a picture, it seems I have mounted my stem too low on the bow. I think I have a work around that wont entail ripping a bunch of work out..... I hope.

Stay tuned.

Sam

Russ, Shawn, Thank you both. Its nice to be building again. the hand rail were fun, I did end up making the posts twice, just couldnt make the tenons correctly by hand, next time. 

Russ, I am not sure if 8 parts will be enough, we shall see. The camera REALLY exaggerates little inconsistencies.

Shawn, lurk away! I guess the streams are calling? I know the feeling, I used to fish every weekend I could; ocean, lake, stream, the fish store.... I am lucky to get two trips a year in now. My brothers, nephews and I try to go up to Bishop creek near Mamoth every year for a long weekend. Caught a 5.5lb German Brown last time, I didnt think they got that big in a stream.

Sam

Rich,

The build looks good!

As far as your stain, what color are you shooting for? Before you try a paint to tint with see if you cant find some Universal Tinting Colors or some dyes designed for the same carrier as your stain. Years ago I tried adding paint to a stain and ended up with a mess. Depending on your stain and paint compositions you could end up with a ball-O-goo instead of stain. If you have a Rockler store near by, they carry the TransTint Dyes I mentioned in the Painting  and Finishing post. That will tint your stain no matter what the carrier is, ie water, oil, etc. Also, sometimes I have found it pays to buy several stain sample packets in the general color range you are looking for. Dont expect the picture on the can to be what your final stain will look like, that depends as much on wood species as it does prep. You can usually find sample packets for about a buck or less each.

If you just want to lighten the color, you can add some of the same brand clear to it or even some conditioner as long as its the same brand and carrier; water or oil base. If you need to shift the color; ie too red, find a color wheel online and use that to determine what color you need to add to get what you want. For instance if it is too red add some green tint, that will neutralize the red. There should be instructions when you find a color wheel.

Another resource is a place called homesteadfinishing.com, there is a forum there and people are just as friendly and willing to help a newcomer as they are here. 

This tool might also help you.  http://woodworking.rockler.com/hardware/Stain-Color-Wheel

This is a inexpensive tint I have used for making glazes in the past. It should work for color correcting your stain as well, just test first. I have bought it at all of the big box home improvement stores here in Los Angeles. The Do-It Center (if you have them in Texas) has carried it most consistently I have found.

http://www.amazon.com/Sheffield-Bronze-1524-Tints-All-Colorant/dp/B003TGW9B0

Have fun and good luck!!

Sam

Rich, Thanks

The kit part is in the lower left corner of the photo. Back during the dark days of MSW B.C. I was waiting for some new lumber to come in and started playing with photo etching. I want to make my own gallery windows since what was in the kit was rather sad looking. another user, Auger, had built his own and I felt they looked much better than the kit so I thought I would give it it try. As I was drawing up the window frames to be etched I figured I would etch some port hinges as well. The new parts look ok, I need to do some clean up and may have to make a couple more to get two more or less matching pairs.

I have made a couple more parts. Pictures to follow. domestic duties first.

Sam

Jp,

I think I understand what you are doing with the paint, any possibilities of some step by step pictures?

Sam

I have seen several topics about this, mostly on the old MSW, but also a couple here about the difficulties of staining basswood without splotching. It got me wondering just how tough basswood was to stain. So this weekend I went out and purchased some basswood strips and set about to staining them. 

One of the things I learned building and finishing cabinets and furniture over the years is that sanding plays a huge role in how your stain comes out. The stains available at most hardware and building stores are a pigment based product in an oil or water based carrier. The pigments lodge in the pores of the wood and in the scratches left by the sandpaper. The finer you sand the less nooks and crannies there are available for the pigments to lodge in. A lot of woods, Cherry, Maple and evidently basswood have inconsistencies in their structures and evidently some woods have variations in their sap content. This causes them to take stain unevenly or "splotch". 

One of the most common methods of combating this is to use a pre-stain conditioner. Its really nothing more than linseed oil thinned way down in mineral spirits. You can make your own by taking one part boiled linseed oil to 9 or 10 parts mineral spirits. Saturate the wood with it, let it set for 5-10 minutes and wipe up the excess. Apply you stain in the next hour, before it dries and you get a more even stain.

Another method and  my preferred method is a washcoat of thinned down finish. I usually use  1 pound cut of shellac. A one pound cut is simply 1 pound of shellac flake to one gallon of denatured alcohol. depending on the size of a project I may only make a quart at a time. 4oz of flakes to one quart of alcohol. brush it on, let it dry 30 minutes and scuff sand with 320, wipe off the residue with a tack rag and stain. You get a very even stain, although quite a bit lighter than if you stained on unsealed wood. 

Another method I have used is to glaze. Seal your wood make your glaze and work it in. I have my doubts as to its applications in model ship building, its messy and all the details in a build make me think glazing is a recipe for disaster.

I started by simulating a deck or hull. I didnt bother cleaning off the glue since I wanted to see if it was possable to sand out a glue smudge.

I clamped them down overnight  

then removed the clamps

Next I started sanding, I sanded the entire board to 150, then 3/4 of the board to 220, half of the board to 320 and finally the last quarter to 400. Normally on a piece of furniture I would only go to 220, but with all the directional changes on a hull I felt 400 would be better. At that point you are getting to where the scratches are becoming close to the same size as the stain particles. 

I applied my washcoat to the center horizontal 1/3 of the board and minwax stain conditioner to the bottom 1/3. I left the upper 1/3 untreated. My stain was Varathane Golden Mahogany, just something I had in the garage. On the untreated portion the stain splotched pretty severely. On the conditioned side you can see an improvement, especially in the 320 and 400 bands. The wash coat is the most even, but considerably lighter.

Next I applied a couple of coats of Varathane Poly clear satin. 

After looking at my results I got curious. Dye stains can also be a great tool for splotch prone woods. Dyes color the wood on a molecular level so you get a very even color. You wont find dyes at your local home depot or hardware store. You need to go to a specialty wood working store like Rockler, Woodcraft, or my favorite, Homestead finishing. An internet search will turn all of these places up here in the USA. I am sure there are places in Europe and Australia, but I dont  know the names. One of my favorite brands is the transtint dyes. They will break down in any carrier; water, alcohol, lacquer, alkyd, oil, whatever. Thy are a bit pricey. $20 if I recall for 2 oz but the last a long time depending on how you use them.

I had some brown mahogany water based dye here so I mixed up a very small batch; 1/8 tsp in 4 oz of water. I sanded the entire board to 400, then applied the dye to the left side of another board and the same golden mahogany to the right side with both conditioner and washcoat.  The dyed side came out very even. although I dont know if this is a good color for basswood.

Then I applied 4 coats of blond shelac to the top half and 4 coats of linseed oil to the bottom half. Something really unexpected happened when I applied the shellac, the brown dye turned greenish brown. Also if you look closely at the bottom of the board you will see a small green blob that is a small spot of the clear poly I used on the other sample. Prompting  my use of the  linseed oil. This is a great example of why you should always do a test board when staining and finishing. I think a garnet shellac would offset the green but I would need to get some flakes and see. Also a light red dye would shift the green to a brown. 

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After all of this I am starting to think that maybe the best solution is to either wash coat or not stain at all. One of the furniture makers I worked with years ago swore if you wanted a dark finish go with a dark wood. If you want a light finish go with a light wood and clear coat. 

I hope all this helps somebody, it seems like this question comes up frequently

Sam

]Didnt get a whole lot of time to work this weekend. I did manage to start on the gunport hinges. Forming them around the hinge pin to create the barrel was a bit of a challenge. soldering the parts together was far easier than i imagined it would be. I barely touched the flame to the parts and the solder was flowing. I have done a very small amount of brazing in the past and it always took a few seconds to heat the metal. This brass is so small its instantaneous.

I only need 2 pairs, I am going to make several and choose the best. As you can see they vary a bit. Some of the barrels are out of alignment and some of my drilling is off. All in all though I am pleased with how they are coming along.

On the upper left are raw parts off the tree from the photo etching. on the right are "completed" parts. Below is teh kit part I am basing my hinges on and a gunport. I havent decided if I will blacken them or leave them bright and coat with lacquer. Most likely I will blacken them, it will hide the inconsistencies think.

Sam

sarah,

I think your doing a great job. I was poking fun at myself too for the instructions. I am also on my first build and find the instructions to be....... vague at times. Especially when the translation to english doesnt quite work.

Masts and rigging as magical creatures? With a sadistic mind of there own! And besides, who would want a fat free hamburger?!?!?!?! For me at least, I would rather have one hamburger a every six months with with bacon and blue cheese and caramelized onions than a fat free one every week.

Keep up the great work.

Sam

Sarah,

Just getting caught up with your log. Looking good! I know what you mean about working with splinters of wood, sometimes I feel like the splinters I dig out of my hands from work are bigger than what goes into my build! AS for instructions, who needs instructions?? Dont tell me your one of those people who stop at the gas station and ask for directions are you?!?!?!   

Sam