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Thought I'd let you know I'm following along and love your build logs. You do incredible work! I've wanted some mini chisels so now I know what to get and that I need to learn how to sharpen them even before 1st use. I have a chisel like xacto blade, but I believe these will work much better.

I got eager and put the first plank of the 2nd layer on. It's probably the easiest to do. I decided to use 3-step planking pattern, and came up with 5.5" length planks as the best. That means 3 full length planks run the length of the hull. And then I realized I had planned to mark off the hull so I could taper planks at the bow so everything works out nicely. I've always done this "on the fly" or by eyeball in the past. It's worked out ok, but I thought on this model, I'd be more careful and try to do better. Of course, I forgot, and the first set of planks will remain as is. I divided the hull into two sections, an upper and lower. I used tape to try to make the two sections approximately the same width, and I wanted the dividing line at the stern to be where the stern post and counter meet. Then I used a fan type pattern to mark off plank widths at a few places along the hull. I'm just using this as a guide for tapering planks, and it's certainly better than guessing. I feel like there's no way it's all going to work out perfectly, so I'll do the best I can, and then fit in whatever I need at the end. In last photo, I've started adding the 2nd row of planks

Here's the Duchess ready for 2nd layer of planking. The bow stem and keel outer facings have been glued on.

I found it amusing that I use same #11 xacto blade knife for tapering planks and that I have the same travel iron for plank bending. My forms that I bend around are a little different, but I like what you did, and I believe that's what Chuck did in his video. I thought mine would work as well, but they don't, and I think this will work better. Plus it's simpler. Love the Byrnes sander! Had to look them up and I see they make small table saw also. Do you have one? or any of their other tools? I do it the old way with sanding blocks, so I can't be very accurate. I assume extra accuracy make a difference, it usually does. I will lookup your Cheerful log. I've thought about that being my next model.

I found some bar clamps I'd forgotten I had to use on the 2nd bulwarks piece. They worked much better than tape. You can see them in top left of photo. I used the small alignment holes but had some trouble getting nails in them. Ended up using may half dozen of the holes. I used regular titebond and it started setting up, so between gluing, clamping, and trying to get nails in position, I needed 5 hands. I also discovered that nails have to go in straight or you still can have alignment problems. The 2nd side ended up glued slightly higher than I wanted. I think I would have gotten closer if I'd stopped worrying about the nails and just aligned by eye using windows and portholes. It's a minor issue and shouldn't cause any problems later on that a little sanding won't fix. Since then, I've glued on the outer facing pieces on the bow stem. These use little rectangular pieces of wood as alignment aids, and I much prefer them to the nails. They are easier for me to handle, and almost force things to align properly. I'll add photos when I get the bow stem and keel pieces glued on.

Here's the stern post and counter glued onto model. I've also glued on the first outer bulwark piece. It took a lot of clamps! and I used some tape to hold part of it. Wasn't the greatest, but seemed to work. I had no trouble soaking and bending the bulwark pieces. It was easy using the plywood bulwarks as the form.

Glenn, I'll check out your Flirt log on plank bending. I've watched Chuck's videos, but they might be worth another look. I've been using his travel iron method. I think a major problem was I didn't realize how much edge bending was required. I got better as I did more planking, but I'm always looking for better methods. I've also looked in reference books (TFFM HMS Swan) and saw how to determine how much edge bend is required, so I'm going to give that a try. I was doing a lot of guesswork on the first layer. I need to use these reference books much more than I do, but there's so much detail, I get a bit lost. On Syren I did no edge bending and struggled with it, but still ended up with pretty good results. I knew I was forcing planks a lot more than I wanted to. Being inexperienced, I never realized that you could bend a plank edgewise without much trouble, and that would make it much easier. At the time I was thinking it was some kind of odd twist that I needed. I've planked a lot of model airplanes over the years with balsa, and never did edge bending. Of course, balsa is super flexible, so it's not an issue. It's similar to planking first layer where you don't have to be very precise and can use a lot of filler. This is a whole different ballgame.

Hi Glenn, I got my drill (actually called a screwdriver) and mini-drill chuck adapter from Micromark, but looks like they still sell the chuck, but not the same screwdriver. Looks like they are selling perhaps a better version. The one I got is cheap and cheaply made, but it's worked. I'm sure there are higher quality ones if you look for battery powered screwdrivers. This one is very low powered and turns a drill very slowly which I like for model work. You have to be patient with it, especially on harder woods. The chuck adapter handles very small drills. I've used 1/16" down to number 80 drills. I used (and broke) a lot of number 77 drills making starter holes for nails on the first layer of planking. Next time around I'm getting a nail pusher! I saw amazon is selling the drill/screwdriver I have. I guess no surprise since they have almost everything. But I couldn't find the chuck adapter I use. It's all very simple, cheaply made, low powered, etc., but I've had good luck with it and use it all the time instead of pin vice. Here are some links: https://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-500-Precision-Screwdriver/dp/B002XZLTQO/ref=sr_1_21?crid=3GC4X77QPQG9C&dchild=1&keywords=battery%2Bscrewdriver&qid=1629327553&sprefix=battery%2Bscrew%2Caps%2C330&sr=8-21&th=1 https://www.micromark.com/Drill-Chuck-For-Ultra-Tech-Precision-Power-Screwdriver

Thank you Bob, Derek, and James! Very interesting about the two types of sterns, round tuck and square tuck. The other two models I've built had the square tuck, so I had never seen this type. Glued the stern post on, and will do the counter shortly. I'm back making progress. I don't think I'll be ahead of you for long, Derek! I go pretty slow, especially this time of year. This kit really has gone together quite easily. I've been very impressed. It's by far the best kit, airplane or boat, that I've built. Sometimes I forget that there's supposed to be some work involved, challenges, and problems to solve. Dave

I think I've got the stern planking/counter area fixed. As I trimmed thru my planking I found the filler pieces that were part of the kit. I hadn't sanded them enough when fairing the hull which caused most of the problem. I'd rounded them off smoothly, but it took a lot more for planks to bend toward the counter like they're supposed to. It took some trimming and sanding, and I added some filler, but that probably wasn't necessary. It turned out an easy fix, and I didn't need any extra wood. Here are photos of a test fit of stern post and counter after a little reshaping of the stern. Now I'll be able to have 2nd layer planks fit up against the counter and stern post. If I do it right, the top plank on the stern post will also hit the counter. This is the first model I've built with this type of stern counter. Many thanks for the quick responses to my question. I'm very impressed with this web site and wish I'd gotten involved sooner when building the Syren. There's no one around here that build model ships that I know of, and it wouldn't surprise me if there's no one in the state that does this, so I've worked very much on my own until this year. You all have no idea how nice it is to get suggestions on how to do things and lots of encouragement.

Thanks so much for your quick response. I heard from James H also, with a larger version of one of the photos. For some reason I didn't realize how the planking curved into the counter. I saw how it tapered to the stern post lower down, but got confused in the stern post/counter joint, and didn't understand how 2nd layer of planking fit in that area. This morning I was thinking I can trim back some of the planking a little, and put in some scrap wood pieces and shape them so they curve into counter and fit into the stern post. Then I saw James' response said the same, so I've got a plan of attack. Might be a relatively easy fix. All I need is a reasonably smooth surface for 2nd layer of planks. It doesn't have to look pretty at this stage.

Wow! Thanks James for the quick response! I have been coming to the same conclusion this morning. I think I can trim back existing planks and put in some scrap wood blocks and shape it the way it's supposed to be. This may end up being a relatively easy fix. I found a small drawing in a book I have that shows planking in this area, and it's not like I thought. I should look at this book more, but it's so detailed, I get lost pretty easily. I can see how the 2nd layer of planking would fit over yours and look like it's supposed to. Just my inexperience. I never realized how planking in this area of stern post was done. Always learning! Thanks again!

I agree with you Thukydides. Bulkhead fairing was fine, but I found it took a lot sharper edge bends than I originally thought, and each plank required a little different edge bend. I was just starting to get the hang of it when I was done. Hoping not to forget on next model! Now I've got another problem to deal with. I did some test fits of the stern post and counter. Not quite sure how to explain this, but in the area where the planks curve from the stern post to the counter, I have them forming a concave curve. Looking at the few pictures I can find on other logs of this area, it looks like others have kept planks along counter and then have them making a 90 deg turn at the stern post. So the planks transition from the concave curve to a sharp 90 deg joint between counter and stern right at the stern post. Mine don't do that and if I glued stern post and tried to plank 2nd layer, the planks wouldn't hit stern post. They'd be hanging off the stern. In fact for the ones on the counter, I'd be doing good to get the planks hitting the edge of the counter like the side planks will do. Thinking I need to trim back first layer and redo the planking or add some filler wood to get things to match up better, so when I add the 2nd layer, they'll fit to both the counter and stern post. I didn't put much of a downward bend in the first layer planks right at the stern. It would be a real sharp bend to hit the counter, which I could have done, but didn't. My inexperience shows, not knowing how this stern section goes together. Pictures in the manual look like 1st layer planks were almost cracked to get this bend in. I saw that, but didn't match it thinking it was something that would be trimmed off. Has anyone else run into this?

We are about at the same place building Duchess. Yours is looking good. I'm looking at how the stern post and counter fits and don't like the how my first layer of planking looks against the stern post. I've been looking at other build logs, and pictures of stern are few and far between. I allowed the planking to follow the aft bulkhead so there is a distinct concave curve to it looking from aft. But when I put the stern post in there, the planking doesn't hit it up near the counter, so a 2nd layer wouldn't either. It looks great lower down, but not up near the counter. I'm inexperienced and never have quite understood this little area of the stern. Looks like others have bent some 1st layer planks a little inward to the stern post and others toward the counter. And one plank in between has angle cuts with one side along the counter and the other along the stern post. I've sanded on my some, but not quite sure what to do other than trim some out and redo a small area of planking. How does yours look with stern post sitting in there? For me this is a tricky area.

Here's views of bow from the front and stern from the back.

Thanks Derek! I did a couple more 45 min sanding sessions, and have declared it "done". Here's some things future builders might want to think about on the first layer of planking. I planked from keel downward. About halfway down the keel I added the first plank along the keel. I felt like this gave me a target to shoot for as I got closer to the keel. Originally I was going to plank down from bulwarks, and upward from keel and meet about 2/3 the way down toward the keel. But once I got going, I didn't feel like this was necessary. When I got to the end, there was a small, less than 1/8", gap that tapered to fine points. I chose to fill this in with two pieces, split roughly at the halfway point, with the joint on a bulkhead. It was much easier to fit in the little sticks doing it this way, instead of trying to fit one piece for the entire length. I tapered all the planks at the bow. Not a lot, but I'd guess around 3/32" to 1/8". I also did an edge bend downward at the bow. I found it needed more edge bend than I thought right at the bow. I think that's one reason I couldn't get them to lay flat on the bulkheads in that area. There may also be a twist involved, but I didn't try to bend that in. The problem area for me was around bulkhead 2 about halfway down. On the first side, I tried to force the planks down to the bulkhead and hold with nails. It would be ok at first, but after 10-15 min, the planks would raise up a little from the bulkhead, often just on one side, the lower side. I did better on the 2nd side by adjusting the edge bends, making more or less edge bend as required. It meant playing around with the edge bend quite a bit to get it to fit, but it's worth the effort. On the first side, I didn't taper the first half dozen planks at the stern. But it started looking like I needed to taper them to get them to run right along the hull, especially when going around the concave curve at the stern. So I started making a long slight taper of about 3/32" over about 6 inches. I ended up adding a small stealer plank right at the stern on first side. On the 2nd side, I tapered all the planks at the stern. Same kind of taper I did on the first side, but did it to all the planks. This helped going around the curves at the stern, and the planks seemed to lay along the hull easier. However, as I got closer to the keel, I needed a couple of small stealer planks. These are easy to do to fill in the gaps, so I'd recommend tapering planks to the stern. I used a water based wood filler which worked fine. Started with 100 grit sand paper, then 120 grit, and finally 220 grit. Saw no need to go any finer on first layer. I feel like you kind of want a little "tooth" to the wood for glue to stick to. I thought about painting hull with acrylic with some pigment, so I could see humps and bumps better. But ended up decided not to do this. It was easier to take closeup photos to see areas that needed more sanding. I also felt along the hull with my fingers for bumps and places to sand, although I found I had to wipe off sawdust with damp cloth before doing this. Sawdust makes your finger slide across hull and it feels a lot smoother than it is. Here's some photos. Surface is smoother than it looks. There's wood, filler, glue, pencil marks, etc., so all this makes it look rougher than it is.

Here's more pictures after a few hours sanding today. I trimmed off excess planking at the stern and sanded it to match contours in stern frames. For some reason I'm always a little confused by the stern, how stern planking and hull planking come together, so looked at pictures in the manual and tried to make mine look the same. Photos in the manual are excellent. I've never seen an instruction manual as good as this one. Photos are real useful to show you areas that need more sanding, so I've been taking quite a few. Looking by eye and using my fingers to feel for bumps, I miss a lot of little stuff. It's probably good enough now, but I'll spend couple more hours sanding some places I see in photos. It won't hurt.

Finished planking the hull last night. Put some filler on and did first sanding today with course sand paper. I can see places, like on the bow, where I need some more filler and sanding.

Very nice work getting planking on gunports to align with planking on stern. I know that's not easy and takes a lot of time. I see on the picture of finished model, gunports are closed, so it looks nice to have planks aligned. Made me wonder if builders of the real ships worried about things like this, or to save time and effort made gunports with whatever they had. Considering the decoration on the stern and the time that took to make, they probably had it all aligned. This really is a step up in difficulty from Syren!

Appreciate the support and nice comments! It helps keep me going. Thought I'd take one last photo before finishing the first layer of planking. The last 3 or more planks have fit on the bulkheads better than ones about halfway down. As I got closer to the keel, it's been easier. I'm almost there.

I haven't posted anything for a while as I've been distracted with other stuff, but I've been slowly adding planks. I've got approximately an inch gap on both sides left to do. I'm getting there. In this photo the problems I'm having with planks curving around bow on the bulkheads shows up better. Lots of edges showing. I'm gradually getting better at it. Hoping by the time I start the 2nd layer of planks, I'll be able to do a better job.

Prince de Neufchatel model, case, table, and lights. Included this just to show effect of new lights in case.

I finally received the custom table for the Syren display case, so it's now officially done. I also had a nameplate made for it. It looks very nice. Wish I hadn't gotten so much rake in the masts, but that kind of happened before I realized it. Always learning! I also added lights to the old display case for the Prince de Neufchatel. This was my first model ship and I stained the hull & deck too dark. I looked at notes and the Prince was finished in 2005, the display case in 2006, and the table was added in 2007. The lights really show up the rigging and deck. It's a big improvement. And of course, it's been moved to a new location in the house. Photos show both cases and tables, Syren first, Prince last. I'll include photo of nameplate. This was an inexpensive addition and I was surprised at how something that simple made it look better.

I think I'm doing a little better on the starboard side.

I'm going real slow with planking. It's a fairly slow process anyway, and I got distracted with some other projects. It seems like there's still something I don't understand about how planks fit when curving around the bow. I've been edge bending them downward, and that helps getting them to fit, but I still can't get them to lie flat on the bulkheads. In the bow area around bulkhead 2, I have to force them down to the bulkhead and it's hard to hold them there even with a couple of nails. And if I do get it on the bulkhead, the planks don't want to stay in contact edgewise in between bulkheads. I think I'll need a lot of filler to get all this smooth. I'm furthest along on the port side.