Vladimir_Wairoa

On 5/4/2021 at 5:43 PM, mbp521 said:

Vlad, glad to see another build from you. Looking forward to following along on another beautiful ship.

 

-Brian

Thank you Brian, lets hope it will get interesting .  

On 4/26/2021 at 2:25 PM, rwiederrich said:

Vladimir....I recall when we first encountered and you had just begun or shortly begun your Cutty Sark build.   I was telling you of my passion for American clippers and especially for Donald McKay clippers.  You became enchanted as much as I .   I had initially begun my own study for my first build of Glory over 14 years ago and started the composite model in 2010.  It is amazing to me to see where it has all come.  I met Richard several years ago and he explained of his own passions for Glory.  It wasn't until Richard and I began a serious study of Glory when you brought your own talents of design and Cad ability to the table.

It probably wouldn't have happened as quickly and proficiently if we hadn't had the expertise of Mike Mjelde and his willingness to accommodate our desire to create the most accurate version of Glory that had been produced thus far.

 

Now we find ourselves at the beginnings of your own Glory build.  The results of a near year long compilation of many researchers and Glory historian buffs.  What a fantastic journey.   I can't wait.  I will be following this log with great anticipation.

 

I hope to be creating my own  build log of her soon myself.  We can bounce off one another on construction ideas and material uses.

 

I have already developed another clamping system and am planning on mods to the framing to accommodate more to scale entrance and exit dimensions.   Your participation in the fulfillment of this next build of Glory of the Seas cannot be underemphasized.  I appreciate your willingness to help myself and Rich in the acquisition of your fine scaled bulkhead frames.    It would be cool if someone like Nic of BlueJacket ship crafters would be interested in making Glory of the Seas a new addition to their fine line of finely crafter model kits.

 

And here we go.......

 

Rob

Thanks Rob for nice post. is been no doubt godsend to me the fact i was welcomed here and my passions for clippers by your gratious generosity friendship  and help . and others. its remark of 21 century technology might and human  brain evolution and genetic advantage to cooperate which gives us advantage apart of other living species. my apology for not   following  my own topic lately as im out of time atm. hopefully soon ill be free... 

On 4/26/2021 at 3:26 PM, gak1965 said:

I will follow with interest. 

 

A quick question. Do you have access to a laser cutter or use a commercial service? If the latter, which one and what did they need to do the cutting?

 

George K

George, thanks i follow your fish closely so i try to observe specific caveats of model shipways design as we made it upon their design. i use commertially available cutting service. they usually need only draw in pdf.  im not sure what laser they have. but ill ask becasue later down the road ill beed to cut miniarures with very thin cut. 

8 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Spent some time today fashioning all the stanchions for the poop cabin rail.

 

I first stripped the dowel stock I used for the  aft rail stanchions, by making a dowel reducing draw plate....that I ran the dowel through after I cut them in 1" lengths..put them in my dental handpiece and and ran them first through the sizer...then I went quickly to the handmade scribe/cutter I made for this purpose(Like the other one for the other stanchions).

 

Originally the dowel was too big and the joints broke...but once I reduced the dowel...it worked fantastic.

 

Here is the days work. First the finished cabin stanchion in comparison to the fantail stanchion.  A third of those will still need to be modified by way of cutting their head and feet to allow the proper cant to be achieved....then the rest will follow along vertically around the stern.

 

Note the height and size difference....?

 

Rob

Absolutely superb Rob, beautiful. Its quite something. 

8 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Yeah...reenie weenie  Is right...every attempt to make it as thin resulted in disaster....so I made a slight compromise.

 

Here we go...here is an image of one finished in my fingers

exquisite

8 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, as promised, here are my sketches of the turned rails as seen in the scene of her from the main deck. Note: the last teenie weenie two are to accurate scale. Good luck!

After posting my 1st sketch, I realized I hadn't done larger versions of the turned rails that surround the pop deck. Here they are up to 3/4ths of an inch, which is huge in comparison to true scale on the left. The iron bar at the front ends is visible in the busy scene of the main deck, which also shows that those rails cant inwards significantly towards the front, straightens up towards the middle of the peop and then cants just slightly outwards as it rounds the Stern. 

Even the Carriage House turned rails aren't verticle, they too cant just slightly inwards. What I also find fascinating is that the front has two turned rails about 2' apart at both outer ends, with 8 more at equal distance. While the poop deck rails are too small to count, I managed to count 18 of the larger ones per side. Including the front but not yet counting the rear, I get 46.

Lovely Richard, her decks are capter itself especially roof overhangs ...bit that will be dream of mine somewhere around next year. i think i will want to have stanchions laser cut and file rounded after. and draw them exact as original prior to that. V. 

5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I plan on trying more ideas.  The tool dulls even cutting wood and to sharpen it changes its form.  Uniformity is key.  Thanks for you advice. 

you are a Craftsman Rob, delicate stanchions at such scale , I watch with pleasure. youre giving us great ideas what to make in advance. 

very nice Gorge. watching with anticipation.  

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Vlad...I'd build in a larger scale myself...but I just don't have any place to house it for public viewing.  I will be removing my other Glory from her shelf and giving that to the new Glory.  She's next to the brick hearthed wood stove in the living room.  I'll put the older Gory in the back bedroom next to my second Cutty Sark.....I guess.

 

By the way...how is your own Glory build coming along?  Curious minds want to know.....

 

Rob

I didnt move on Rob. I scouted for planks to gather for hull.actually im thinking of wideness of planks, observing model shipways flying fish i will widen palnks according to ratio margin. so i elan to set on ( metric here 4 or 5 mm wide and 1.5 mm thick european basswood as it prvoee ne the best material cutwise and bending wise so i can taper down to 2 mm at the bow..... i like it enormously. and its fairly cheap . ( by the way Lime as it is called in my country is national tree of country so it has very long carving tradition as its perfect for sculpting and violin work. ) 

I will have to get it sawn to my liking. if i count  it should be smaller based on original Planks dimensions 6" - 2 mm is pretty much unusable by modeling standards in case i want to taper and bend towards bow and aftwards as well. 

i dont have window to dive into it properly and focus on her at the moment or anytime soon. 

i made a promis to myself that i will start with the autmun rains  so 4 months till than  but when there is a window i will work small bits. sanding bulkheads... and i want to put wooden blocks as suports for bulkheads as those are not so near to withstand sanding...so these are my actual doings...

Great job Rob Im amused watching ehat sou do in that scale folks.  1:72 warms the mind a little.  

12 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Mailed out.  Not sure how long it will take to travel halfway around the world

Thank you Rob. 

54 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Oh...I'm patient.  I'm spending time making items that will go on the model...they can be created long before they are actually needed.

 

Funny that you would suggest I would have the model finished before I even get the bulkheads....heehee  that's real funny......

 

Oh....I packaged up your book today and I plan on mailing it out today............Yippy......

 

Rob

Thanks Rob Im Thrilled. 

congratulation Greg. fantastic work and huuge milestone. most important visual aspect of the ship will proudly speak for itself. 

Rob , with this speed you will have ship built before bulkheads arrived :D. I was talking to guy if its already cut but he told me he had lots of work last weekend so didnt find have time for it. We have to understand he is doing it in weekend windows next to regular job. please one little bit of patience. I will check  after this weekend. V. 

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Doris is in a field by herself.  To be named in the same sentence with her is truly an honor.

I can only attribute my skill to God and to over 30 years of dental laboratory and machining experience.  Plus its nice to have all the tools and goodies to help you.

I truly do not attempt to compare myself to others ability...we all have our strong and weak points.  I do, however, appreciate the encouragement and enthusiastic edification.

 

Rob

Rob, I always admired your own unique way and ability not to compete in any way. And tried to learn from it in a good/my way. I myself dont follow the ( in my opinion  somehow broken) philosophy that there is only one way to Rome and paved with same stones. 

its brilliant Rusty. 

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, As you can see from all the well deserved accolades coming in from fellow modelers, your remarkable miniature carving efforts have been far more successful than you gave yourself credit for. Vladimir is absolutely right too. Even if it's possible to 3D print a meticulously precisely accurate miniature, it actually detracts from recognition of the artistic effort itself. One of the qualities of 17th Century miniaturists I admire most is their amazing carving abilities. For the same reason, I am constantly in awe of Doris and her incredibly lifelike sculptures is know that they're all hand carved from scratch. In conclusion, you have set a mighty high 'bar' my friend. It will be fascinating to see how others take up the challenge in their own creations, including possibly, eventually myself.

By the way, to answer your question, yes I did see the photo of Glory's Bow below her nameboard. However it wasn't until after being able to freeze the image did that occur.

That is exactly what i meant Richard. You know i myself was lately playing with 3D modeling figures. even antique figures for that reason so we could have precious arm and body pose to it and even toga overall dressed up but i lacked inspiration to continue for the same reason. at one point never in history was individual so close and fast from idea to finished product just as cnc or 3D printing allows, say even miniature face glipms or facial expression taken in miniature form. but it takes life from it bigger way that it seems. as original hand carved there are hands and eyes of sculptor to breathe life to wooden girl, its tradeoff of modern technologies that minds eyes and hand are detached from the object the way that only hand can say. there is danger in eprfection everyone wants to achieve - there is humsn imperfection in perfection that breathes life to it. your hand nameboard resemble that life computer one lacks....at least my thoughts of it... fro that i will proabyo tr to find a way to make my own one as well. but hoepw are not high though  

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

I learned how to access a new feature of my phone. Voila! Screenshots of "Glory of the Seas" nameboard and the Samuel Walters oil which graces the cover of Michael Mjelde's wonderful first book that follows. This should help Vladimir and others see how this beautifully rugged device actually appeared.

Of course this in no way compares to Rob's gorgeously realized miniature Athene Figurehead. Compare his work to the one at the Bow of Walter's spectacular oil painting and well, there is no comparison. I am in awe of Rob's results. Believe me after spending years trying to capture her essence, I know how complex and challenging a Figurehead she is.

Thanks Richard. Rob achieved something spectacularly authentic  didnt he?  I think that as well. 

6 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Well..I put my hand at carving a 7/8" Athena.   It was a struggle but I think for this scale it will have to do.  I just ain't no carver of the human figure..  It isn't perfect but.......I'm no carver....did I say that?

 

Here are a few pics of my trouble.

Rob you ate way too harsch on yourself indeed. its phenomenal. ! Carving in that scale is something extremely difficult and requires bloody skill i remember that from carving cutty sark bloody difficult ornamentals. You did put even beautiful face detailing with clear proportions and that is really something. hat off and i mean it. body proportions and hand reaching behind the head i would say it has more value than any 3d print as its handwork! i guess that secret magic lies somewhere in your teeth special instruments you have but its great! 

2 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

OK....I promised some new images of Glory.  Now Mike is still looking for his drawings of her stern carvings...but he assures me he has them and will soon send them to me.

 

Here is an image of the stern of Glory...partially skewed by tree branches.  But the stern name and origin are after she was sent to Ketchikan Alaska.

 

You can make out all her new deck buildings and the like 

this pic is beyond amazing. wow. 

oh my god, oh my god, thats an important photographs first of its kind to show her stern from the angle we can feel the curvature or rail. 

Thank you folks. V. 

16 minutes ago, Ron Burns said:

Vlad, you cut those planks by hand? I'm so far away from where you are so I don't have any idea how to treat the deck. Perhaps making a small trial deck

with a few planks glued to some stiff card. I like the idea of scraping as it doesn't lift up the fuzz. I love the look of your Winnie and really enjoy following along!

 

Ron

Ron, thanks for reply. Those are bought planks. i dont have saw to cut those. 1 mm thick so I can take off of them with calm mind but well. good idea to put aside few planks and try first... as you can spot I already tried to sand off of that center part but its quite firm wood to sand. on the positive side, it doesnt fuzzy at all so it should be beautifully clean ans smooth when done right. i think sanding with 200 grit should do. im a bit hesitant scrape it as some wood is along some across grain. only if very lightly. i am about to get new sanding paper tmw but still have lots to plank. Thanks for stopping by, i tried something disturbing at first   going with pear deck but for me it doesnt  distract colorwise. will see.  

i guess id need an advice / help guys. 

as you can see from the pics Floor looks horrible untreated. there are spots after sawblade and  planks are not uniformly thick. 

what do you suggest i should do? sand it of some sort i guess. i normally sand it 100 to 200 gritt and thats it. after i apply hardwax oil. thats all. 

what comes to my mind i did once was scraping surface after sanding with razor blade which worked on walnut quite well maybe i will try that as well...not sure. 

By the way i think it eas last time i worked with pear wood. its so breakable and tough across the grain ( obviously) but nothing for cutting planks by hand. ill stay with poor lime, baswood whatever despite of fuzziness. 

but lobe love the tone of oiled pear wood so once im done i need to treat it somehow...

Rustys pear planks are gorgeous. do you any proved suggestion please? 

thank you All.  

Fantastic invention Rob. 

5 hours ago, Rustyj said:

For me the center was the hardest. You should have smoother sailing now.

Thx Rusty i feel the same.