Vladimir_Wairoa

Rob deck is fantastic ! 

36 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, your framing looks spot on! I don't know if you're going to welcome this nit-pickey detail or curse me instead. The 1869 "Glory of the Seas" on the Ways is clear enough to count her strakes. For the Starboard side, I count exactly 4 strakes to make up the side of that loading port. As each strake was 6 1/2" wide, the height was exactly 26". My best guesstimate for width is 3' as the port is definitely wider than it is tall. From her 1869 Fitting Out scene we can see that the loading port appears to be 2/3rds closer to the Mainmast and seems to align with the rear wall of the large house just behind the Foremast. 

Thank you Rich Thats exactly what i needed. youre safe bet.  I think its too low now will have to redo. 

53 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir since your vessel is 1:72nd scale, she must be 4" shy of 4'. At that large scale, it's even more critical to be as precise as possible, since mistakes become magnified. From the pics you've shared, it looks like you're doing an impressive job, fairing her out. 

I remember when reading Ed T's "Young America" build, how he made frequent references to getting the angle of each bulwark accurate in reference to the others or else planks wouldn't sit just right and unsightly bulges would be the result. It was fascinating reading.

So it looks like your approach is in very, very good company, my friend!

53 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir since your vessel is 1:72nd scale, she must be 4" shy of 4'. At that large scale, it's even more critical to be as precise as possible, since mistakes become magnified. From the pics you've shared, it looks like you're doing an impressive job, fairing her out. 

I remember when reading Ed T's "Young America" build, how he made frequent references to getting the angle of each bulwark accurate in reference to the others or else planks wouldn't sit just right and unsightly bulges would be the result. It was fascinating reading.

So it looks like your approach is in very, very good company, my friend!

Rich, thats right with her size. but to me she looks small or perfect after 1:24 cutty. Today I  constructed port opening on port side, tried to  locate it from Michaels book. 

I outdoneyself today So now both sides  are faired and planks are on the way.cant wait...

26 minutes ago, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

'Just love your fairing technique ... running stringers at different angles and taking the 'long view', since the eye can see any 'wobble' in the line.  I'm learning all sorts of techniques and tips from different builds so when I get into the next ship I can do a better job of it.  Slatki kak sacha.  Spasiba !  ...  Johnny

Thanks Johnny for comment. Yeah this method worked fo me previously so i stick with it. i do it exactly as you wrote I lay it across so it gives grace curve and search for hole between bulkhead it the is one. all throughout the hull. V. 

Fairing fairing...

I returned to Hulk again. Its never ok with boats to say ship shape..

But finally i finished starboard side to pointa i Can say good enough by eye and by photos. Portside to be completed gopefully next week and Bull Will be definitely ready for planking. ! I work different say fromRobs, i domy want to put woodfiller or cemented layers to event bumps so i need to make sure Hull IS sa much good as possible beforehand.

After planking with 1.5 mm thick planks i plan put another thin coat dyed with liberon  ebony dye to ensure black on wanlut strips. Will try first. Photos from checking smoothness of Hull...thank you for watching...

On 7/9/2021 at 3:39 PM, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, CONGRATULATIONS!!! on the Cutty Sark Museum request to display your impressive, large scale model. While you no longer possess this magnificent creation, I encourage you to contact whoever holds it to see if they might like to honor the Museum's request. Knowing how most collectors feel, it's almost a sure bet they too would appreciate the opportunity to see their miniature in display at the home of the actual vessel herself. If nothing else, besides raising monetary value for any potential future resale, bragging rights alone would also be a positive motivator. If you haven't informed the new owner, I strongly encourage you to do so. They might be thrilled and thank you for letting them know. Good luck!

Thanks tou Rich , im aloe to read my own thread oh, i did exactly what tou wrote.

15 hours ago, gak1965 said:

A very brief update. I've completed the poop deck, and added the doubler for the capstan on forecastle. Next up, the coamings for the extension of the after deckhouse and the vents. The deckhouse extension vents are the only ones that are sitting on the deck, rather than having the decks butt up against them. I didn't want to have to deal with maintaining the camber of the deck given where the coamings would be sitting on the bulkheads, but I think that I could have probably done it in retrospect. Something for the next build I suppose. A couple of pics, and as always, thanks for looking in.

 

George

very nice indeed George. 

7 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Vlad...that is a unique method to create the effect.  Great job.  I have a feeling your hull will be magnificent.

Greater detail can be incorporated in your scale.

 

Rob

Thanks Rob i should really start planking though still waiting for planks.  i believe such subtle detail is probabl even better obtainable bu sanding off finished planked hull if planks are thick enough to allow it. well...

10 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Rob, we know Ruch and his determination. I surrendered many times before ( poking fun here) so we Can tell ourselves that we are not buidling POF models with futtocks :). :))) 

byt for the sake of discussion i put another layerof complexity to stern in hope that line Will be perfectply visible by sharp bent of planks.you can see in photos how. Lets hope It will work. 

Oh looking at last Rich post i do IT worngly. Its Vice versa. So redoing IT.

Rob, we know Ruch and his determination. I surrendered many times before ( poking fun here) so we Can tell ourselves that we are not buidling POF models with futtocks :). :))) 

byt for the sake of discussion i put another layerof complexity to stern in hope that line Will be perfectply visible by sharp bent of planks.you can see in photos how. Lets hope It will work. 

17 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Having this example we can see in this drawing the area in question.  the item you are talking about is most likely the second deck area

Yes Rob I also believe its celarly post timber angle but i would say it is more complicated than that. Even Crothers bible ! is not showing one stern with full convex stern frames of latest era only very convex ones like on this picture. Thus i believe that bump is very delicate and almost impossible to spot certainly not visible from very far. as it Almost almost drive beautiful curvy line. but it is there therefore it is not easy to make it perfect on model even for bigger scales. ill try to photograph it today on my stern. V. 

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Indeed, I noticed the anomaly some time ago myself, but I gathered it was a structural  issue and not a signature of the shipwright.  Personally I wasn’t sure it was worth trying to replicate in this scale.  I’m sorry I strayed from replicating this unique feature.  I suppose our year of research has finally been breached by my lazy oversight.   I hope Vladimir will include this detail on his model. Good eye.   

Friends I follow this one with interest i fully agree with Rob, it would have been impossible on his scale from planking thickness eprspective etc..

Im fully aware of that sharpish curvature  and hopefully it will be pronounced on mine stern i will try to photograph it. thx  Rich for keeping esharp eye. V. 

5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I did the rail work at the same time as the painting but one had to be before the other....I guess.

 

Next images are of the planksheer and rail molding being added.  I also worked on touching up small blemishes in the hull on both sides.

 

Some of the images are taken to mimic some of the images of Glory on the beach and such.

 

Next thing will be to add the starboard naval hood and its trim.   Enjoy the images.

 

Rob

beautiful stern ! you can be as proud as possibe Rob. classy work in every aspect. clapping hands. 

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Comparative hulls

my gosh its her !  

8 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

It almost seems beyond comprehension that anyone could arrive at any other conclusion then what we arrived at.    The rub of the inconsistency lys in the fact we used 3 heads and we bounced ideas and observations off one another.  Ron with all his years of experience simply had himself (though that in of itself is significant).  It still did not allow for a peer review.  I think, if for no other reason, we had the advantage of numbers.  Not to mention the original author himself,  Mike Mjelde.   I’m satisfied with my representation, based upon our conclusions,  In spite of the current apparent mischaracterization.

This is very well observed and thought out Rob. 

9 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir my friend, after seeing how the actual "Cutty Sark" Museum, Greenwich, England has requested the honor of placing your massive 1:24th Clipper "Cutty Sark" for public display, I have no doubt you will give Rob quite a "run for the money!" Just remember too, especially in modeling at this fine level of meticulous accuracy, entirely scratch building from self developed ship's lines, sometimes slow & steady wins the race too. .

Rich allow me to refrain from racing narrative.  it was meant like humor, im not a man of competing in this hobby at all.  besides, i cant compete with Robs building  ability not speaking of american composite masts sails etc so its pointless topic. yes i was surprised to see email after 1+ year , but unfortunately i dont have ship nor track record of it atm, but hopefully person i sold model to... this is vaguely offtopic but here it go....

even If i had the ship and i would certainly donated it to museum i assume it would cost me a fortune  even to deliver it to them ( due to shipping over size etc) ando there would have to be mutual agreement on shipment and tremendoul liking from their side to have it  nevertheless, its a fair bit of satisfaction for model builder to get such email for sure i never dreamed of when building it. sepaking of- its far from standard or perfection with planking etc...but sum up  seemes that cathegorical rigorous fashion of building and laying all planks as shipwrights do is not necesarrily needed to get reaponse from museum ...  lesson learnt. i remember i just put all my love to that vessel fro 1 year of my life . and photos are to stay  forever here at msw  so i will try to point her to person owing ship now. and now pls lets back to Glory.  

On 7/9/2021 at 11:30 PM, rwiederrich said:

To finish things off for the day....I painted a coat of latex over the entire hull and I will again begin to sand and finish the hull some more.

It's a never ending cycle of sanding and filling...and sanding and filling.

 

I'll let this dry and then begin the process all over again....and finish up the stern and add the starboard planksheer and monkey rail trim.

 

I'll tackle the starboard naval hood and scrollwork after that.

 

Rob

Rob! youre quick. main rail is beautifuly crafted.  we are just staring at what youve acxomplished now i woudl sell this one damn glorious Glory of the Seas with all her cargo fat belly glory and gracious clipper entrance / end. As i see correctly only monkey rail is to be fitted and you have her. 

I also believe its overhang George. cant be otherwise. V .

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, recovery progress is continuing to be the toughest of my life but I am slowly, determinedly improving. I also want to admit Rob that I am truly humbled by your generous compliment. I had no idea that you held my viewpoint with such high regard. Meanwhile, I personally continue to be in awe of your rapid, yet beautifully accurate modeling skills. Such careful attention to small details like the multiple moldings of Glory will result in what I am now convinced will be the most impressively accurate miniature of "GLORY of the SEAS" ever produced so far. Lacking anywheres near the modeling skills of either you or Vladimir, I want to only act as a guide to assist you both in realizing your objectives to achieve the most accurate reproductions possible. It has been the thrill of a lifetime to collaborate with other fans of Donald McKay's incredibly beautiful Clipper Ships, especially being able to communicate with one of my favorite Maritime authors as well.

So It's damnably frustrating to be sidelined by my slow recovery, especially since I feel an even greater sense of serious urgency to redo accurate lines of "GLORY of the SEAS" to finally do her true justice.

After doggedly pursuing real genuine faithful reinterpretation of Donald McKay's last glorious Clipper Ship for just over twelve and a half years now, I refuse to accept seeing another set of unfortunately crappy lines be published that do McKay's brilliance such an injustice.

What we have learned from over a year's worth of intense study and exhaustive evaluation of practically every inch of McKay's longest lived merchant vessel has been so encouraging and enlightening. Our mutual approach has consistently relied on precise, scientific, measured investigation of every incredibly clear image so generously shared by author Michael Mjelde. I personally am firmly convinced that what Donald McKay accomplished in his final effort was the culmination of his decades of single minded pursuit of excellence in creating a very swift merchant vessel with an extremely sharp Clipper Ship entrance and exit coupled with an enormous capacity for storage as well. Remember this amazingly durable Clipper was the very last vessel to accomplish the arduous Cape Horn journey from New York to San Francisco in under 100 days (1873-74 in 96 days - Pacific Marine Review). She also still holds the record for travelling from San Francisco, California to Sydney, Australia in 35 days, a feat accomplished despite poor vessel condition, as the Ship herself was crank due to insufficient ballast. With a strong beam wind Glory was practically on her beam ends. As a result the crew had to send down her stunsail booms as well as royal yards. Yet despite undesirable vessel condition, she sailed with very favorable wind and weather conditions (Pacific Marine Review). Now it's time to pull all that intense detailed research together into one coherent whole and produce a coherent blueprint of what she truly looked like.

Wishing you steady recovery progress indeed Rich, i hope you can get some amusement from our friendly racing with Rob :)). Just so you know, it echoed again in my head when fairing a bulkheads that I have to be more precise as Rich wouldnt like to see some bumps etc...you see how effect those hours in front of computer had thru spring ;)....

14 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Ron Haug's proposed new line impressions for Donald McKay's Clipper Ship "GLORY of the SEAS" as sent to Rob and I a few days ago. Ron told Mike that in this design, he believes that somehow McKay has "drifted back to his old Packet Ship days of the 1830s even with the stem" with this design. 

Honestly, I'm personally very sad to say "here we go again." My impressions of Shipwright Ron Haug's lines are that he either never saw the incredibly detailed photos Michael Mjelde's shared with us or he doesn't see the same svelte vessel we see. Our past year's collaborative effort has led me to hope for so much more than... this. While this group has been concentrating on reconstructing Glory's true form for about a year, my own journey of discovering Donald McKay's last Clipper Ship has now been just over a dozen. I don't know how Mike will react but as I've always consistently said, my first loyalty is to the memory of Donald McKay and his lovely vessel. Mr McKay deserves better.....

Hm, frankly im not overenthusiastic.Looks like little moofted Michaels profile, with all whats been already said...extreme stern rise  with all consequences for stern shape etc..

13 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

While working the hull....it just pothered me.  It appears the bulkheads still needed filling in and I must have missed it...but once I primed and sanded...it became clear to me that further filling was needed.  the aft 1/4 to the fantail is spot on.but slightly forward of amidships..forward to the forkastle, there still is a depression.  Kinda like the hull loses its fullness.   So I applied more filler to compensate for the error.

You are still detailist and perfectionist Rob :)). Fantastic moldings lines around.  

Lovely work Frank. 

gorgeous Mike. 

offtopic. this is kind of nice. Royal museum greenwich contacted me about my 1:24 model of cutty sark for exposition  . well - i dont have it anymore 😕 

Now finally some 3 D instalations check - hoods...Im pleasantly surprised how they fit in right  from our drawing. ....