Vladimir_Wairoa

Thank goodness for Chucks stopping making ropes ! 

very nice. 

On 3/29/2021 at 2:53 AM, Matt D said:

I couldn’t resist starting on the gratings and coamings.  They were calling to me from inside the box!  I’ve actually been looking forward to making Chuck’s gratings since before I started the Winnie project.  So here is a picture of my first coaming and grating, ready for paint and WOP.

lovely Matt. i see you opted for squarish design. they are now ahead of me i am a bit scared though that i will messup . will see ...:)

I really enjoy your progress George. 

Watching Chuck ahead chapters is like getting another chapter package for free. so enjoyable.  

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Wonderful...you have translated her into drawings very well.  I can see how you designed her similar to the Flying fish design.  With amidships open so you can add the bulwarks later.  Interesting.

 

Love it.

 

Rob

Thanks yes, i find their design best so far ive seen for clippers as it allows to install proper timberheads up on waterway and from ther rail also topgallant one. most authentic possible i woudl say on POB. 

15 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Please do Vladimir.......I'm assuming it will be in 1/96.....?

Beautiful drawings by the way......

 

Rob

Thanks Rob, the beauty of it is that it is scaled by percentage..... variable. I created it in 1:20 measuring relative to 1:1 huge.  but no matter what program or simple picture viewer you open the bulkheads you can just adjust viewing percentage and voila you get scale you wish.......you need to know one reference scale only ....in 26 percent opened size it is 1/72 depending on where you measure the beam..... / widest point around middle=18.8 cm beam in 26 per cent opening  =44 ft in 1.1

opening and viewing at 19 per cent = 1:96 if you measure at the bulkheads exactly 14 cm...

19.5 per cent opened (but there needs to be program to count in half = 1:96 measured beam at widest -

20 per cent would be close but slightly more than 44 ft.

also all related pages are made in one program so it is all simply related....

same applied to centerbulkheads....just make sure you have it opened in same percentage size as bulkheads....its same measure....

same for ornaments page....

here you can see i finally managed to finish all bulkheads curved them and lowered as  waterway to be installed up is included...

I copied all exact design of built exactly after model shipways flying fish....it was painstaking work . just remember I diminished watterway for model making puropse by 2 mm. so instead of 8 mm in 1/72 it would be 5 mm waterway...

this is how they turned out. we can see and  feel the shape already...

Rob, Richard, folks,

i rely on your measures for sure, but i work differently  as i dont have knowledge of your caliber... by comparing distances.

i measured mold  to mold and it gives roughly 2x distance to copperline at 25ft for sure. photo is black but we can see approx  tip of rudder going to rudder hole,,, tjhat is mold to mold plus a bit i had measured it but forgot the numbers....

I can tell you folks, this is only inches discrepancies you play here....I looked at the draw again......there is no place to labor excessively as main  numbers doesnt allow to.....as LBP is provided and LOA is provided....you can either literary CUT OFF tip of bow if you want longer sleeker stern, or you can do vice versa if you want agressive bow and shorter stern. nothing else can be moved.......

yes can.....instead of 84 degrees stem angle we can go 86.....

or at back stern stem we can go from vertical to little leaning downwards....as we excluded these un Mckayish things.....i believe shape is pretty much established.....and I can quite comfortly have bulkheads cut....

i measured all over thoroughly and tried to update stern  and again measured bulwark heights and sheers watterway, depyth of hold......according last number provided.  I included planking exceeding behind sheer line mold as welll....I will now post pics with numbers... speaks for itself......

i measured bulwark again which gave me 6.12 FT....

to obtain 250 ft between perpendiculars....

and 265 overall, I shortened a tiny bit of forward tip to be less aggressive and used comparing distances measures so stern is now again different than before.....

what you say about stern shape now   folks ?

there is final pic as last one.....

@ Rob, I can send you folks bulkheads templates for the boat, but first i want to check them myself in hand to check  i drew them correctly...as I suppose this is testing phase for me

please underthand that I will never match your precision, truth be told im quite  thankfull that  Richard is kicking me into more precision...

as it helps it to shape it better but I would say at this point. I dont think it someone  would shape her differently placing all the shapes and measures at this point.....

 first  picture shows new more shallow angle of bottom of stern and original Michaels stern....

i can redone tip to more agressiveness forward as we had it before but i have to go back to more dull stern it makes.... 2 FT at the back or at the tip of forward rail....quite a lot to consider....

hope make sense

thanks

V.

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir,

I expressed your appreciation to Mike who's being so generous with these fantastic images which likely haven't been seen in decades. I was so impressed that I sent Mike a request for the rest of the vessel in this scene.

Meanwhile, the stern shows that the turned rails aren't verticle. They cant outwards almost imperceptibly around the stern, appear to be most verticle along the Wheelhouse section and then cant inwards around the large Stern house. The monkeyrail below also appears to do the same. The main rail drop almost appears to Bow inward but it looks to me like it's an affect of the short shelf like area combined with double planksheer moldings. Most fascinating is the 3' - 4' area below which ends in a slight ridge. While it gave an initial appearance of being solely around her Stern, I now suspect it encircles the entire vessel but is far less noticable. In fact, it looks like it aligns perfectly with the lower end of the Naval Hoods. What surprised me was that this same feature can be seen on McKay's illustration of sister Packet ships "Star of Empire" & "Chariot of Fame" as seen here. Finally as first suspected, the graceful drop below this line curves slightly inwards as it drops to the rudder. In totality, this area of Glory is far more complex than first suspected.

this is fascinating . seeing plan drawn by McKay himself - i was about to think from photo itself that rail seem to be angled...so it is confirmed though... i cant keep up with you folks, i didnt have time lately hopefully around weekend i will ne able to sit behind the desk. ...also with bulwarks, there is ton of stuff i have to measure remeasure....again. one question to ask folks, where is beam to be measured? at the widest part of hull - underwater included? at that would be widest though...thank you. V. 

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob & Vladimir,

I asked Mike for a better look at Glory's stern from the scene of her being towed to Alaska. Here's his original, facing down and a cropped version facing up. As I first noticed, her Stern is far more elegant and complex than earlier suspected. Her turned Rail stanchions, while appearing almost verticle seem to cant just slightly outward, as does the monkeyrail below, then her main rail looks like it bows slightly inward but I suspect it's due to the effect of her moldings. The area below that appears to bow out slightly. Rob can measure it. My best guess is about a 3 - 4 drop. Finally the rest of the Stern curves again just slightly inward as it drops gracefully to the rudder below. Far more complex than at first glance.

 

wooow what a beautiful closeup photos of stern woohoo. 

On 3/28/2021 at 3:13 PM, JpR62 said:

WOP -> Wipe-On-Poly

Unfortunately, very difficult to obtain in Europe ☹️

Scrubbyj427, Thank you for sharing this great technique !

Thank you Jean,...... good news for you,  > check amazon.de. they have a few in stock. seems easy to get even in europe   V. 

6 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir,

Probably the only picture of Glory which reveals the true location of her anchor stock catheads and gives an accurate idea of their dimensions. They're located completely under her fore quarterdeck caprail. They fit entirely within her 18" high monkeyrail. Cathead width can be calculated by comparing it to height, my best estimate is 8-9". Distance from first notch to second notch looks to be 5' and about 4' to the cathead. That would make the cathead's distance about 18' from the point of the quarterdeck caprail where they join just above the Jibboom entrance. As usual, Rob can double check and either verify or adjust my estimates.

Whoa this is magnificent look at her from the very rare straight low position . Thanks for cathead calculation Richard i will accomodate those. V. 

Guys would you mind explaining in short what WOP is? thank you...

fantastic JJ. 

On 3/21/2021 at 8:02 PM, oorsouw53 said:

Hello Vladimir.

I have been reading your construction report with admiration.

What a beautiful finish.

Hello Jan, thank you very much for stopping by, im glad you like it, well though it is not without flaws, but it is warming indeed.

22 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir,

Druxey's revised figurehead will fit right in. All he did was revise Athene's right hand to match contours of her hand and upper shoulder. One final observation of the Naval Hood. Three equal moldings trim the bottom while two continue from the Hull to trim the upper side. The three below terminate at the outer end the two above go completely around to the other side. 

Yes - and we have it correct on the drawing i hope i posted those pictures.  .  v. 

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir,

You always do such nice clean work. I am continually impressed. My only critique is that the fat, leading edge is not verticle. It inclines at a slight degree forward, to follow contours of Glory's flaring Hull. Top of the leading edge appears to align directly with the left side of the notch above while botton appears to line up with the center of that same forward, 1st notch. 

My tracing pad finally arrived, so I will make so tracings of Glory to be exhaustively precise.

Oh yes i will angle correct that, i know what you mean thanks. i will try to fit  Druxey figurehead hand with drapery double line detail over weekend  and hopefuly few more hull parts like deadeyes channels...

awesome job Bob. 

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir,

You probably won't like this but I just discovered a mistake I made in calculating Glory's height at her Starboard Docking Port (rectangular hole in her side). I gave specific details in an earlier post this morning. Bottom line, she's  1' 1 & 1/2" lower than before. Her loading dock is 5' above the waterline, 25" high, probably 3' wide and she's 45 & 1/2" to the lower molding. 

This is going to mess up your Stern again but in reality it goes back to my suspicion that we've had her Stern too big anyways. Speaking of which, one other correction I noted was that the drop below the molding is just a little deeper than you have it. My estimation is about 3'.

I agree with your sleeker Bow profile, which appears to match the better overall scene of Glory I just got from Mike.

Meanwhile I took another look at Glory's nameplate. Now it appears your sign board has a little too much space. Just from eyeballing, it looks like the letters "SEA" match the distance between the "Y" of GLORY and "S" of SEAS. the "of the" all lowercase would fit in equidistant from those words. 

Druxey did a great job of getting Athene's right arm position corrected. I would plug in his new lady, replacing the older one.

Finally, with a better image of Glory in Seattle, the question of her Cutwater configuration and prow underwater still bugs me. It appears that the semicircular curve goes through both Bobstay mounts and doesn't straighten out until afterwards. Then her prow down to what's visible above the waterline doesn't appear to go down vertically but more of an angle slightly back.

British took the lines off the Blackball Clipper "Donald McKay" so this Hull is reliable. Disregard my conjectural pencil sketch of her rigging, topmast positions are reversed in error.

 

Thanks Richard, hmm thankfully i kept also 1 ft lowered verison as well. its ok i will try to accomodate 3' downmold profile too and Druxey hand as well. 

i almost fainted yesterday as all hulkheads mixed up...i spent two hours to save them to original form.... started to be little too much at this point i have to slow down and go slowly and steadily. as for bow adjustments, i will than little recenter 2 nd bulkhead curve following curves right between 1 and 3 - bulkheads  - and it will shape that steady stepness of  profile - it was pushed way more towards 3 rd if you look back where bulkheads are posted...the way making mora drasric curve right from the start....gosh will this end some day? thsnkfully evenings up late are still rainy and cold....

its all very slow process because i have to magnify lines to set measure tool, mark move lines delete close lines , again and again...but looking back  - this is already  just twaeeaking ....

Hello everyone,

didnt have time yesterday......but started to aplly measures to the bulkheads...id say it would take some 10 working hours to complete so it wont be so soon....

i prolonged nameplate but its just sketch rather so please bear with me...letters somehow crippled, its starting to get pretty crowdy for my crappy computer though...letters are not properly placed just to get rough idea.

I didnt mean 7 in sheer Richard, its price for my worng expressing ..my bad sorry. i meant 7 in wide sheer plank or that fancy ribbon,....its tated in michaels book. imho, I think three ribbons conturing as lover strake of navalhood are all uniformly thick but if not we can reshape them no issue there its just detail...

another devil to open.I accepted.challenge quite dramatically intruded into Michaels work though.....im curious about your opinion...bow profile...

here is the widened nameplate and changed chocks position......

31 minutes ago, Bruma said:

Thank you, Vladimir for sharing your Cutty Sark. 
In two weekends you have achieved what I managed to do in more than one year!
Even if you are not planning to work on her in the near future, I'm sure you will see the end sooner than me.
I can't wait to see more!  

Cmon Bruma dont exagerrate. I have to let you down somehow for near or longer future I dont plan to continue as I am about to start 1:72 glory of the seas american late clipper...asI spent one month drawing proper vector plan for laser cut  ..id be more that pleased if you stop by though. meanwhile, I will enjoy and hopefully learn learnenormously observing sailing up your cutty, with those gorgeous sails you make. i intend to use it on glory...for sure...hopefully. meanwhile i couldnt resist half price discount on new bedford whaleboat but that will not move from box untill next christmass and still working on hms winchelsea....im not sure if i sleep

8 hours ago, bonedoctor51 said:

Beautiful work.  

 

Thank you, also everyone  for likes alike. 

9 minutes ago, Sailor1234567890 said:

Careful about her waterline there in that picture. It looks to me like there's an overboard discharge of some sort just below and abaft the fluke of that stbd anchor. It seems to be splashing the hull. You can see the darker wet region just above the waterline forward of there but the hull is wet a little higher where the water is splashing into the harbour there. There's also wet hull darkness below the outlet trailing aft. Leads me to believe there may have been wind coming from ahead at some point shortly before that picture was taken. Also makes the shape of her waterline there a little tricky to see. 

I already speculated about waves there otherwise her hull would be "amateurishy designed - not possible  " wave caused inward shape bump like..:) 

poplar for sure. you will thank us