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Very nicely done, the model (and its case) looks great! It's definitely a unique kit, I love how it shows the internal structure of the vessel.
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A bit more work, and I finished the cant frames at the stern. Once again, this took quite a bit of adjusting the fit bit by bit until they lined up. There's quite a curve around them to meet the sternpost, but fairing should smooth that out a bit and there don't seem to be any bulges or anything. This will be a very challenging stern to plank, though! Next up will be the bow cant frames. As I've mentioned before, the frame drawings for cant frames A and B, which run partway down the stem, don't really show their ends: So, as I'll have to do a lot of trial and error to fit these in, I decided to add a batten to help get the rough fit right. It was a lot easier to glue this in with the hull removed from the jig. They're just glued temporarily to some frames and have been left unglued at the bow, where I can use a clamp to fit them into place.
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Damaged model, looking for the original details on it
JacquesCousteau replied to Kevin Kenny's topic in Wood ship model kits
I was under the impression that was a topmast that had fallen off the mainmast, not a separate mast in itself. If it's actually a separate mast, then the model seems to have three behind the funnels and one ahead, whereas Arizona has two ahead and two behind. Arizona also looks to me to have a much larger superstructure amidships, vs the line of deckhouses on the model. Are there other photos of the model from different angles? -
Hello - very new builder
JacquesCousteau replied to Rowland_Hill's topic in New member Introductions
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Thanks, Keith! I'll definitely do a test to see how it handles sanding--the interior bottom isn't faired yet and some frames need a good bit of sanding, so I'd hate to add the wire pin and find that it impedes fairing. I know I must sound like a broken record at this point, but the cant frames continue to give me a lot of trouble. As mentioned above, the D frames stuck out way too much, forming a bulge that would be impossible to fair without sanding nearly through the frames. In fact, trying to bend my thinnest batten around this point cracked the wood! I was going to shift the frames a little higher on the deadwood, but before doing so, I checked the height if the top frame end above the bottom of the keel against the plans, and found that the frames were already a good bit higher than they should have been. After some consideration, I ended up trimming material off the bottom, which lowers them slightly and brings the frames in a bit, getting rid of the problematic bulge in the hull. The issue now is that the frames are technically cut shorter at the bottom end than they are shown on the plans, even considering the width of the deadwood. That said, I then realized that the width of the deadwood on the cant frames would have to measured not across the beam, but at the same diagonal as the cant frames. Considering this, they're closer to what's given in the plans. In any case, they seem to be a lot fairer now based on running battens around them, although it's all a little hard to tell given how much fairing is needed. I guess I'll have to see how it goes when I get to fairing, and at worst will have to just cut them out again and make new ones. I've also started on cant frame C at the bow--just the port frame so far--and similarly am having a lot of trouble with it. I'm constantly shaping it slightly, offering it up to the hull and checking with battens inside and out, and trimming it again, while keeping an eye on the height of its tip. I'm not quite their yet, but, while I've trimmed a surprising amount off the bottom, it seems from the battens like it will fair up well? Anyway, I'm still enjoying the build, but as I've already mentioned quite a few times, I really wish the plan set had more accurately depicted how the cant frames intersect the keel/deadwood/stem, as this is really causing a lot of stressful confusion that could have been avoided.
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If it's not a restoration, then what is it? As mentioned above, it's basically impossible for anyone to help you on this without posting some photos or giving more specific information. Fregata Española is a generic term which, combined with the link you posted, suggests a generic decorator model. In which case, Chris is right that there really isn't any scale that would be accurate because the model itself isn't accurate. Maybe it actually is a more accurate model, but nobody here can know that without photos. If you need replacement parts and if it's a decorator model, you can just buy whatever seems like a reasonable size. A lot of vendors offer scale rope, blocks, etc in different sizes. If it's not a decorator model, you'll need something that's in scale, but again, nobody can offer any real help with the minimal information you've provided so far.
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Welcome! I definitely suggest posting a build log.
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Thanks, all! Keith, I've thought about it, but am a little concerned that the parts are thin enough I'd need to sand down toothpicks or something to a consistent size to serve as pins. A draw plate might be useful, I suppose. I decided to start with the aft cant frame pair D, as they've already been shaped. Gluing them in place was a bit tricky: I used the 3-2-1 block to again provide a vertical surface, and used a clip at the top to keep the frame from dropping too low. The result looked nice! However, I then decided to check the fit with a batten. It's a bit tricky to tell, because the hull hasn't been faired yet and I don't really have a very effective clamp to hold the planks to the frames, but the cant frame seems to be a bit too low, forcing the plank to bend down in a way that goes against the preceding curve (not to mention making it much harder to bend the plank back again to meet the sternpost. So, I think I need to unglue the D frames and reglue them just a hair higher up. Also, I clearly need some more effective clamps before I get to the planking. How do people clamp onto POF hulls?
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There's a helpful list of banned manufacturers here: Unfortunately, both Unicorn Models and Modelship Dockyard are on the list, so neither model can have a build log here (although you can of course build them without posting a log). If you'd like to post a build log, it would be a good idea to check the list of banned manufacturers first and choose something that isn't banned.
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I ultimately decided to add the normal frames now and the cant frames afterward. One challenge I've had with working out how to position the cant frames has been that the frames I was positioning them in relation to weren't fixed in place, so this will allow me to more easily set up ribbands to help position the cant frames. I found the 3-2-1 blocks really useful for this. As seen below, I set up one to mark the edge of the frame, which ensured that the frame would be vertical. The other was used as a weight to clamp the frames while gluing. I used the blocks to also hold Frame 1 at the proper angle. I couldn't really clamp this one, so I'm a bit concerned that it will be fragile. In fact, the frame-keel joints are generally rather fragile, as there are no notches, just parts butted up against each other over a small area. I would like to add the two floor planks (or are they considered a keelson?) before I do much fairing, as they would significantly strengthen the structure, but I need to fair the interior, at least at the bottom of the hull, before I can add that. I've therefore added some temporary supports around the top of the frames, leaving the hull open for now (although I may add some temporary crossbeams before fairing the exterior). The frame tops aren't yet trimmed to their proper size, and the supports are made from scrap, so it's pretty ugly so far. Once they were added, my curiosity got the best of me, and I carefully removed the skeleton from the jig. The structure is fragile, but sturdy enough to be handled a bit. This model has been a keel and a pile of disconnected frames for so long, it was exciting to see and hold it as an actual 3-D structure! I can see some areas I could have been more careful with in framing--some of the joints between floors and futtocks don't form as fair of a line as I would have liked. That said, Pâris described these vessels as having roughly-made frames, so I think it will be fine enough as long as the hull itself is fair. Clearly, I have a lot of fairing in my future. I've made some pine sanding blocks with different curves to better fair the interior. My plan for the next steps is to put the hull back in the jig, fair the bottom of the hull interior, and add the two floor planks to better secure the frames. I'll then work out the cant frames, in part by running battens to make sure they're lined up properly. After that, I'll have the choice of either continuing to fair the interior and adding the stringers* to strengthen the hull, or doing the exterior first. *As is often the case, I'm not totally sure about the proper terminology here. From what I can tell, a lengthwise strip of wood running across the interior of the frames is a deck clamp if it supports a deck, or a riser if it supports thwarts, and a stringer is a more generic term for such a part. On this build, it will support tiny decks fore and aft and a crossbeam that supports the mast, but nothing else, so I'm not sure whether it would be a clamp, a riser, or a stringer.
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You're welcome! I mention it because, on my Lobster Smack build, I was surprised to see that the planking of the cockpit bulwarks turned out barely visible after I added a thin white wash. It may be more visible across the full length of a hull, though.
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Very nice work on a deceptively tricky little part! I forgot to weigh in earlier, but I think painting the deck will look great. You may want to experiment with some scrap, though, to see how visible the planking is through the paint, and whether it would be a good idea to lightly scribe over the joints to make them slightly more visible or not. My sense from photos is that the deck planking is very subtly visible on the actual ship.
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I think you'll have better luck getting helpful responses if you can share photos, and also the measurements of the model. Also, you mention photos of the finished kit--what company made the model?
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There are a lot of different ways to go about this. A lot of people use legos to hold the bulkheads square, or other things like machinists' 3-2-1 blocks. A small carpenter's square is also very useful. I've also tried using large binder clips along the backbone to try to square up the bulkheads, although it's not wholly ideal. Above all, I think you just have to go slow and repeatedly check each bulkhead as you go. Good luck!
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Welcome! Those are some very impressive builds!
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