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Hi Nils

Thanks. Yes and the white wall doesn’t swallow to much light either. It was a good idea for the working place.

The sprit topsail yard will follow and also carry a furled sail (first time I will try this).

The shape of the sail was chosen only to reduce the amount of furled cloth. It should represent a normal spanker where its foot matches the length of the boom. The lashing is according to Lees sketches of spanker and driver (have you got that book yet?).

Cheers

Peter

Hi Nils

Great sails, great progress. If you go on like this, you will soon be up to ‘Mobbsie-speed’ (similar to speed of light: you cannot go faster without using some rather exotic physics).

Cheers

Peter

Hi Mobbsie

Beautiful!

Your change will be a sad loss for us humble kit builders and a great win for the dark arts. Are you aware that you could actually tempt other, innocent souls to follow you? You take great responsibility there, my friend!

Cheers

Peter

Hallo Nis

So, I presume you are a member of that club as well? Thanks for the welcome.

The profession was very nice – except maybe when you had to master all possible horrors of aviation twice a year in your simulator sessions or when you had to steer an aircraft through the thunderstorms in the bay of Bengal or while trying to stay awake and alert through countless endless nights or while trying to get some sleep in a rundown hotel somewhere in Africa or freezing your behind of in Moscow while wondering if having your aircraft heated with the exhaust gas of an old MIG engine really was the best way to get rid of all that snow and ice or while being held back somewhere by some unrest or civil war or other or – and that was the worst of all – while reading your chief pilots monthly bulletins.

But the sunrise was always beautiful.

Good question! It seems really a bit strange that there is never something like an in-hauler or similar. On my Pegasus the lashing of the jibboom prevents the sling of the spritsail yard to move further forward but I think the main back holding force of the whole arrangement came through the braces and a bit through the sheets. This however in turn would mean that the thrust from the sail was also brought to the ship through exactly those same lines. Or perhaps the friction between yard and bowsprit could also transfer a significant part of the force. Anybody got any other ideas?

Regards

Peter

Hi Ken

Yes, the spanker is in place. The reduction was done by cutting it rather as a mizzen sail with a vertical aft edge than as a spanker with a wide foot..

Below you find the sketch of the ‘spanker’:

Regards

Peter

Hi Michael

Just lucky shots, I think…

Thanks anyway.

Peter

Hi Nils

Glad to be able to help a bit.

Actually I am really curious about how your superb build will look after  you assimilated all that information …

Cheers

Peter

Back to serious business...

The spritsail yard (no sail) is being hanged onto the bowsprit. I try to finish the last of the rigging in a working order that enables me good access to the actual belaying points without blocking the way to future ones – and sometimes nearly am successful.

Spritsail yard being attached

Well, I took some time to respond to the last posts and the wharf was rather quiet as well.

The reason is that I experienced a radical change in my life: After my last flight (to Singapore) I’m now a retired skipper with a lot more time for shipbuilding. That change was celebrated with a two-week-stay on the beaches of Florida. There weren’t many ship models to see – the Mel-Fisher-Museum in Key West shows a lot of very interesting artefacts but only one, rather simple, ship model – but the sea was lovely and most of the mojitos as well – again cheers to Sir Francis Drake!

After 34 years of fortunately accident- free flying I’ll be earthbound again (but plan to remain a flyer in that forum) and will happily enjoy my freedom of any fleet chief pilots or board members  (and plan to find out if there will be more time for shipbuilding or if it’s true that retired gentlemen have no time at all...).

Last flight into Singapore...

While I was trying to install all the rigging which is belayed somewhere on the centerline simultaneously I realized that also the spare spars and the boats must be set on their place at the same time...

Lashing the spare spars

Working on lashing the spare spars while tripping over all the loose ends. It’s high time the bosun has that deck tidied a bit...

Hi Nils

There is a lot of information about the size of the stay sails in the mentioned James Lees’ The masting and rigging of English ships of war.

I noticed that it is still available on Amazon for 75$ in used condition. I bought my copy in the museum shop of the USS Constitution and don’t remember what I actually paid but the price printed in the book is 40£. If you could squeeze it into your budget I would highly recommend buying the book.

The size of your sails accomplished with the help of your tummy however looks right to me although I didn’t check all the measurements.

While strolling through the wharf I managed to take some pictures of the jibstay…

lower end of the jibstay on the traveller

'upper' end of the jibstay hitched around the lower deadeye of the starboard topmast backstay

Take care

Peter

Hi Mike

Thank you for the compliments and I’m really looking forward to a build with the quality of yours showing sails!

Take care

Peter

Hallo Nils

Yes, according to James Lees, it seems the jib was, after its introduction around 1705, either set flying or after about 1719 on the jibstay. The stays lower end was being seized to a thimble on the traveler while its upper end rove through a block stropped to the topmast cap on the starboard side. It was then led down to the stool abaft the fore channels where on small ships it was hitched around a deadeye. Its size was about 0.5 of the fore topmast stay.

What you say about shifting the traveler to change the position of the center of the force on that sail to balance the ship is excellent – I never thought about that possibility. You think like a structural engineer. On the ‘upper’ end of the jibstay (which is hitched around that deadeye) you could have some excess length to adjust to the shifting of the traveler. On larger ships, by the way, that end of the jibstay was secured by means of a fall which made adjustments even easyer.

Very interesting questions!

Take care

Peter

Hi Mobbsie

Thank you (and all of you) for the appreciation of my sail work. That really helps through the tedious part of sailmaking.

Take care

Peter

Hi Nils

Are you oversaturated with compliments yet? No? OK, truly great work and your details are getting neater and neater!

I found your question about bracing the yards quite intriguing. The missing space to brace the yards did in fact disturb me a bit but I just put it down to mistakes in my builds and ignored the fact that the kits must represent the true conditions considering their quality.

Browsing through John Harland’s Seamanship in the age of sails I find that for example the sequence of orders to wear a ship included:  

Let go lee truss-tackle fall!          and

Weather truss tackle fall!

In seems your assumption is correct and the yard was allowed to move away from the mast. This however looks strange to me as it then would rest against the foremost shroud on the lee side, putting some strain onto and chafing it. But perhaps the whole rigging was much more dynamic and put to stress and wear as I can imagine when meticulously setting up one rigid rope or line after the other.

Very good question! Perhaps some other member knows more and where are the administrators anyway?

Cheers

Peter

The sail was attached to the yard and that to the mast similar to the main topgallant sail. No special problems there.

Only that I found somewhere halfway through this work that I did overlook the bowlines which the plans show attached to the bare yard but of course should have been bent to the sails before furling them. Well, you live and learn (and use bad language).

It is another fine detail of the kit to include them in the plans and I will find a way to include them in my build.

I’m now finishing all the lines and ropes which are belayed along the centre line (centerline for those who don’t have the happiness to count themselves as one of Her Majesties subjects) and continue then outwards and forward finishing the rigging.

Hi Martin

Hi Ken

Thank you for the compliments – using me as a reference is a big one.

The visit I paid to your Fair American was well worth it. That’s a lovely vessel and a fine build. I found that ‘Amati cloth’ you used for sails very interesting. It seems thin and light which is perfect. But on the other hand the texture of the fabric is still too visible for that scale. That means the search for the perfect cloth continues.

But anyhow – ‘…almost presentable sail…’ might be a tiny little bit of slight underestimation of your own work.

Hi Pucko

Thank you for the visit and the compliments.

Sorry for the long time it took to answer but I was abroad again.

No, just to about every second shroud to avoid the problem you mention.

Cheers

Peter

Hi Martin

Unfortunately only the running rigging for that sail is done. On the other hand there are only 3 more yards remaining to finish and of those, the spritsail yard, will carry no sail – only the upper sprit topsail will be there in furled condition.

And then only two jibs will remain and the finishing of the deck equipment with spare spars and boats and the gun port lids, the lantern, the hammock nets, all the braces on the lower yards and a few odds and ends – yes, I’m nearly there. But seriously, I can begin to think about the next build as it should start in less than a year.

Hi Ian

Thank you for the compliment. I’m glad, if I can be of any help.

Hi Nils

Sure. But of course there are still mistakes and shortcuts in my rigging. If in doubt, feel free to ask.

Cheers

Peter

Hi Nils

Your Pegasus is really taking off!

Regarding slings: I would hold the two largest yards – main and fore yard – with slings. I did the same on my Pegasus after consulting my external brain (Lees).

 

I trust the rigging, let alone the sail making, will take some weeks...

 

Weeks?

You must be running in some kick down-over boost-afterburner-mode! Mere mortals as me need months if not years.

Take care, excessive speeds may be dangerous

Peter

The fore topgallant sail was reduced in size by 30%. This is the same amount as on the main topgallant sail. On future projects I will probably reduce all furled sails by 40% but here I will stick to the slightly larger variant to keep the proportions.

The sail maker is already working on the fore topgallant sail

The fore topsail is one of the largest sails. It was therefore again reduced in size by 40%. Then it was bent to the yard and the yard brought to the foremast in a similar way as the main topsail yard. A buntline was again installed in addition to the rigging according to the kit’s plans. I was running out of space on the bitts as more and more rigging lines were belayed on it and I decided to finish all the running rigging of the foremast before coiling up the lines.

Fore topsail ready to be bent it to its yard

Detail of the fore topsail

Ready to furl

Parrels and ties installed

Running rigging finished (for now, braces will follow later)

Hi Nils

Yes, I hope so. At the moment I lean towards a slightly altered Pickle.

To correct that ugly stern and the placing of the masts (in my opinion the foremast should move a bit forward) I think of using plans of a similar schooner from NMM.

Hi Martin and Timmo

thanks

Cheers

Peter

Hi Mike

That’s great, how you are going to build a good model out of an average kit. I especially like the way you do your own research digging into the treasure easily available at NMM.

This should be motivation for all of us to look a bit deeper into what additional information might be available when starting a new kit – even when buying from an excellent provider like CC or Victory.

Keep up the good work

Peter

Hallo Nils

About ship modeling being an art form: Yes. Maybe a bit less if you just put a kit together as an exact copy of 200 similar models but then again it will never be an exact copy and always show traces of your individual style, your artistic skills.

I like the definition of art according to the German Wikipedia which supports a more general understanding of what it is: 

‘Das Wort Kunst bezeichnet im weitesten Sinne jede entwickelte Tätigkeit, die auf Wissen, Übung, Wahrnehmung, Vorstellung und Intuition gegründet ist.‘

That roughly translates as:

Art describes in the broadest sense every advanced activity which is based on knowledge, practice, cognition, imagination and intuition.

Yes, Nils, you are definitely an artist.

I read about your intention to rig a full set of sails – great, this will certainly improve your artistic skills even further. Adding the details of the rigging with the same meticulousness you already demonstrated will make your Pegasus a really outstanding object of art – and will be quite a challenge requiring all your knowledge, practice, cognition, imagination and intuition.

Cheers

(Just asking myself if thoughtfully and carefully drinking a cool, fine beer with all the practice you have and the entire appraisal the brewer deserves could be defined as art?)

Peter

Thank you B.E. Getting a compliment from somebody who is capable of carving a beautiful and completely detailed longboat in 1/64 out of a toothpick really is something.

Cheers

Peter